This is a horrible take and you’re wrong. It’s like asking - what reason does Scum have for voting Town?In post 1774, RLotus wrote:VPB and Datisi are pretty strong townreads for me at this point. The way the wagon formed started with RTP then Datisi, VPB, and I jumped on. Assuming VPB and Datisi are town, what reason does scum have for voting there? It seems like they would just be incriminating themselves after Italiano flips town and better off staying off.In post 1767, Andresvmb wrote:This is garbage. I would say the exact opposite - there’s at least one Scum on that wagon for sure. The same core of folks pushed RTP and Italiano. But nah, everybody is Town? What are you blind?In post 1743, RLotus wrote:Yeah I agree for this reason I think there is a reasonable chance there is no scum on that wagon or one at most maybe.
Is anybody paying any attention to anything RTP even posted?
If there are compelling reasons to believe VPB and/or Datisi are scum then I can see that perspective.
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We were stalling towards the end of day and if town is just going to flop onto Italiano why would scum need toIn post 1775, Andresvmb wrote:
This is a horrible take and you’re wrong. It’s like asking - what reason does Scum have for voting Town?In post 1774, RLotus wrote:
VPB and Datisi are pretty strong townreads for me at this point. The way the wagon formed started with RTP then Datisi, VPB, and I jumped on. Assuming VPB and Datisi are town, what reason does scum have for voting there? It seems like they would just be incriminating themselves after Italiano flips town and better off staying off.In post 1767, Andresvmb wrote:
This is garbage. I would say the exact opposite - there’s at least one Scum on that wagon for sure. The same core of folks pushed RTP and Italiano. But nah, everybody is Town? What are you blind?In post 1743, RLotus wrote:Yeah I agree for this reason I think there is a reasonable chance there is no scum on that wagon or one at most maybe.
Is anybody paying any attention to anything RTP even posted?
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I am town, I don't know if I've played in a way that necessarily would make it apparent, I've been lazy because day 1 was long and hard to read, but I'd probably be bullshitting more as scum.In post 1773, Andresvmb wrote:@maxwell can I trust you here? I honestly don’t trust any of you right now, and I need some sort of anchor in this game. I was TR’ing you yesterday slightly but I’m not sure you’re clear since you landed on ItalianoVD.
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@RLotus how do you know that Town were just going to flop onto Italiano? I don’t think I was going to vote there. I would have already by the time that the wagon was holding up had I believed it to be correct. You can never really be sure that a particular wagon was going to go through. And that’s the point.
Also, how are VPB and Datisi your strongest TRs? That’s nonsensical. I don’t think both are Scum I’ll say that. But your strongest TRs? Really? RTP was leaning more positively on VPB, so I can maybe see that one. Datisi? No chance in hell. You’re just not reading then.- Andresvmb
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There were two viable alternatives in my mind to Italiano yesterday that could have gone through actually - You RLotus, and Green Crayons. I was more skeptical of Green Crayons actually succeeding but I warmed up to it at the end, as I expressed to RTP. So yeah the final vote was all scattered outside of Italiano but I don’t think that’s a true reflection of the game state.- RLotus
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They are the most apparently gamesolving. Consistent pushes, nice flow of thought, getting information where they need. Obviously I can be wrong but I don't see it.In post 1779, Andresvmb wrote:@RLotus how do you know that Town were just going to flop onto Italiano? I don’t think I was going to vote there. I would have already by the time that the wagon was holding up had I believed it to be correct. You can never really be sure that a particular wagon was going to go through. And that’s the point.
Also, how are VPB and Datisi your strongest TRs? That’s nonsensical. I don’t think both are Scum I’ll say that. But your strongest TRs? Really? RTP was leaning more positively on VPB, so I can maybe see that one. Datisi? No chance in hell. You’re just not reading then.
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When I read that they had refused to claim, I thought it was clear that they were a PR or Scum actually. A VT probably just claims because it doesn’t change anything. So it wouldn’t have saved Italiano I don’t think. That’s my take - but maybe it would have meant some players unvote then I don’t know.In post 1778, maxwell wrote:I also though Italiano wasn't playing in a PR-indicative way, which is why I'm so annoyed he selfhammered without a claim.- RLotus
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I agree that I don't want a Dunn flip in just a couple pages. I have a busy work week and probably won't get serious time for this game until this weekend.
That being said. I think keeping him at Y-2 is fine for now. Doesn't change anything.
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Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.In post 1757, Datisi wrote:are these associates or just individual scumminess?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.- RLotus
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I thought we were just syncing up, because Dunn's vote on midway just seemed like he was picking someone on the town wagon with little to no reasoning to get towncred and have a follow up push today.In post 1785, Andresvmb wrote:Frankly I think I’m alive and RTP is dead because yeah, you could be Town Lotus. But you’re just way off. Voting with the same people that lead to Town multiple times just doesn’t make any sense. Where’s your sense of skepticism?
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In post 1789, RLotus wrote:
I thought we were just syncing up, because Dunn's vote on midway just seemed like he was picking someone on the town wagon with little to no reasoning to get towncred and have a follow up push today.In post 1785, Andresvmb wrote:Frankly I think I’m alive and RTP is dead because yeah, you could be Town Lotus. But you’re just way off. Voting with the same people that lead to Town multiple times just doesn’t make any sense. Where’s your sense of skepticism?
You seem confident in the fact that Dunn is town. What is your view on the game currently?
That doesn't really strike me as "little to no reasoning", I think it's fairly decent actually, the post he quotes bothered me at the time it was made as well.In post 1716, Dunnstral wrote:
This post pings meIn post 1528, midwaybear wrote:That feel when the three top wagons (as of 1440) are your three stated townreads
Feels like something that comes from scum
1132 and 1362 feel scummy to me as well
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I think the wagon speed isn't super indicative of anything until we know more. I'm absolutely not giving dunn a town pass because he's been scummy and caught votes off it. I think you're being way too generous there. Scum could feel like he is toast and a quick buss gives little info. Or perhaps a quick wagon scares people away.In post 1769, Andresvmb wrote:@VPB have your views changed at all now that you see the same folks that pushed Italiano come out for Dunn? Or you think your read there is correct still?
We are both speculating it would seem.
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This is not a great way to put it. I don’t have confidence that the player is Town. If I was reading Dunn in a vacuum, I would have them as null at best. They’re not really contributing much, and they haven’t posted a whole lot.In post 1789, RLotus wrote:You seem confident in the fact that Dunn is town. What is your view on the game currently?
But do they seem like the logical conclusion to RTP and Italiano both flipping Town to you? Not to me. And why is the same group of folks just happy to run them up today? I would like to focus some attention on all of the slots that pushed Italiano and/or RTP at different times. And there’s some. I also trust RTP’s intuition, even when they were scattered. I think there’s some good pushes in there. Had RTP been all wrong they don’t get killed (or if they’re effectively pocketed).- VP Baltar
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You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?In post 1788, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.YOUR AD HERE- Andresvmb
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You said you were SR’ing Dunn and midwaybear. Today. But your explanation is something that literally didn’t happen. So what are you saying exactly?In post 1793, VP Baltar wrote:
You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?In post 1788, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.- Datisi
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yo, what's with this shade? outside of the start of the day, rtp was consistently townreading me, and i wasn't in either of the PoEs they put out before day end, so what's your point here? also i believe you haven't answered me some stuff from yesterday.In post 1779, Andresvmb wrote:Also, how are VPB and Datisi your strongest TRs? That’s nonsensical. I don’t think both are Scum I’ll say that. But your strongest TRs? Really? RTP was leaning more positively on VPB, so I can maybe see that one. Datisi? No chance in hell. You’re just not reading then.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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This isn’t strictly true, since they actually were voting you at one point.In post 1795, Datisi wrote:outside of the start of the day, rtp was consistently townreading me- Datisi
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+1 to obviously we're not blindly yeeting dunn less than 24hours in, and if anyone had lolhammered a green flip, they get policied tomorrow. so like what's the panic.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- VP Baltar
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No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.In post 1794, Andresvmb wrote:
You said you were SR’ing Dunn and midwaybear. Today. But your explanation is something that literally didn’t happen. So what are you saying exactly?In post 1793, VP Baltar wrote:
You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?In post 1788, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.YOUR AD HERE - VP Baltar
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