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it looked like you were singling me out in 1779 with an argument that i couldn't make sense of (bc rtp's read on both me and baltar was similar later in the day). ok, i was wrong day on day one. i partly did reevaluate - dunn's post on midway looks bad with italiano's flip, dunn's read on italiano, and dunn's amount of effort spent in trying to convince others of that read on italiano (zero), which sunk them lower than the previous "lol lurk coinflip". you're making assumptions on how i play. i think we need *more* info right now rather than rehashing the old - let's see the newcomers catch up, and let's put some pressure on the person i find suspicious.In post 1821, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m not just singling you out. But you’re voting Dunn while thinking everything is good and dandy when you were so obviously wrong D1 and you don’t seem to even want to re-evaluate what happened. I would say that applies to a lot of the Dunn voters who’ve remained where they are actually. And you were vocal and wrong - and seemed smug about it. You should feel the need to re-read and make some arguments and you’ve made a basic one about Dunn and that’s it. Do you agree with RLotus that there’s few chances of there being Scum on the Italiano wagon? Do you really believe that’s the universe we’re in right now? And what are the rest of your reads?In post 1819, Datisi wrote:which brings me back to asking why are you singling me out like that, acting as if they didn't have a townread on me at all. (and like, i'm going with the assumption that someone's reads in the later part of the day trump those in the earlier part.)
here's a take: i don't have a clue. i'm a moron for vca on best of days, and here i feel like both sides of the argument could be made fairly easily - scum voted bc italiano misyeet vs scum didn't vote bc didn't wanna get on a dirty misyeet wagon. i don't know which one is true, i'm not gonna pretend i do. i don't solve like that, i'm going to be looking at individual actions rather than trying to big brain the amount of scum on or off wagon.
like, i'm probably gonna go back and reskim parts of d1 to get a better idea of what might have happened. but i'm also not going to wait to push things i find suspicious *right now* - as soon as there's no lolhammer cutting the day short, there is no downside to pressuring dunn now.
you didn't like my push on italiano. ok. italiano flipped green i was wrong. ok no shit. i'm asking how/why you're reading it as scum shitpush vs town genuinepush. like i'm not saying i shouldn't be put on the spot. i'm asking to see your thought process.In post 1822, Andresvmb wrote:
What is there to discuss? Italiano is dead and it’s in large part because of you. So unless you want to actually express some more detailed reads all around, why would I not put you on the spot? You deserve it.In post 1820, Datisi wrote:if you think my arguments were bad, fine, say that and let's discuss it, but i don't feel like that's the argument you're making?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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andre, can you talk to me how 1810 follows into a green crayons vote? like i feel like i'm hearing you say that the wagon was pushed/voted by scum, and you're talking about scum sealing yesterday's outcome, i don't think green played a part in that at all?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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I just hate your smugness about it. I do. Green Crayons and VPB both expressed doubts (which btw makes me thing you’re the one with the genuine push and they’re the potential Scum), but I’m getting constantly annoyed about being in these games and not really being able to form a solid Town core early. I dislike that you didn’t re-evaluate there at all even after Italiano’s emotional content skyrocketed, and were so dismissive about the whole thing.In post 1826, Datisi wrote:you didn't like my push on italiano. ok. italiano flipped green i was wrong. ok no shit. i'm asking how/why you're reading it as scum shitpush vs town genuinepush. like i'm not saying i shouldn't be put on the spot. i'm asking to see your thought process.- Andresvmb
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If I remember correctly, RTP’s strongest SR was GC, and they were in most of their solves.In post 1827, Datisi wrote:i don't think green played a part in that at all?- Andresvmb
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In post 1650, Datisi wrote:room-temperature take: italiano is hoping that the "i give up" ate makes townies defend him / reconsider
also if he flips scum i'd bet goodmoneybrownie points that he's being bussed rn
Green Crayons might not have voted Italiano, but they definitely left themselves open. And they expressed a TR at times but they were happy to discredit at others as well.In post 1651, Green Crayons wrote:Yeah I mean that’s what bothered me but why I asked for his explanation re town POV.- Andresvmb
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And once Italiano becomes a near certainty, this comes out? And you’re not suspicious?In post 1699, Green Crayons wrote:Post 1378 and Post 1429 echoed suspicions i had about RTP at the time.
i've put a pause on my RTP suspicions for reasons, so this is a "other player voiced reasons to suspect RTP that mirrored my own reasons" read- Green Crayons
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i preferred elements over VD, but still had them both on town side of the line. i would've voted either to avoid no elim, obviously."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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this was in reference to RTP backing off of his GC voteIn post 1831, Andresvmb wrote:
And once Italiano becomes a near certainty, this comes out? And you’re not suspicious?In post 1699, Green Crayons wrote:Post 1378 and Post 1429 echoed suspicions i had about RTP at the time.
i've put a pause on my RTP suspicions for reasons, so this is a "other player voiced reasons to suspect RTP that mirrored my own reasons" read
I thought he had spotted something in the thread which i think is obvious"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Datisi
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ok so i was working under the assumption that you hating my smugness = scumreading it but now i'm confused. can you lay out what's your read on me right now?In post 1828, Andresvmb wrote:
I just hate your smugness about it. I do. Green Crayons and VPB both expressed doubts (which btw makes me thing you’re the one with the genuine push and they’re the potential Scum), but I’m getting constantly annoyed about being in these games and not really being able to form a solid Town core early. I dislike that you didn’t re-evaluate there at all even after Italiano’s emotional content skyrocketed, and were so dismissive about the whole thing.In post 1826, Datisi wrote:you didn't like my push on italiano. ok. italiano flipped green i was wrong. ok no shit. i'm asking how/why you're reading it as scum shitpush vs town genuinepush. like i'm not saying i shouldn't be put on the spot. i'm asking to see your thought process.
here's the thing, i'm horrible at reading emotions. i've lost games because i'd look at someone who was being emotional and i'd townread it and those people would sometimes turn out to be scum and i try really really hard to consciously ignore ~emotional stuff~ when forming my reads because i am ass at evaluating the genuiness of it.
i'm thinking about their second(?) most recent poe, which was i think 5 people, and green wasn't in itIn post 1829, Andresvmb wrote:
If I remember correctly, RTP’s strongest SR was GC, and they were in most of their solves.In post 1827, Datisi wrote:i don't think green played a part in that at all?
actually let me check fuck
ok yeah i'm thinking of 1580 ok i remember something at least
but i think my question still stands. you seem to insist on going back and keep calling the wagon bad - who do you think is the scum on it then?
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yup, actually. i was only looking at the RTP flip, forgot to consider that RTP was probably scum killed.In post 1772, maxwell wrote:
This, btw, is gross and nonsensicalIn post 1761, Green Crayons wrote:I'm also happy with a maxwell vote, especially with the RTP town flip."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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well, yup on the nonsensical. not the gross part."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- maxwell
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I’m skeptical that you have the game right, I don’t think Dunn will flip Scum, and I’m just generally annoyed that there’s so much... passivity in this game. I don’t have you as Scum right now. But I don’t like arguments that are easily disproven either. Trying to discredit me by making an argument that was false IS annoying. I am not just blindly going to follow along here. I want to see people be aggressive and push to figure out what’s going on. 6 votes so quickly on Dunn - does that seem like an engaged Town to you?In post 1834, Datisi wrote:ok so i was working under the assumption that you hating my smugness = scumreading it but now i'm confused. can you lay out what's your read on me right now?- Andresvmb
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I don’t want to reveal this just yet. We need more content - and I’m trying to avoid getting into a shit fight with everybody because that doesn’t help either.In post 1834, Datisi wrote:but i think my question still stands. you seem to insist on going back and keep calling the wagon bad - who do you think is the scum on it then?- Andresvmb
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So who is Scum to you then?In post 1832, Green Crayons wrote:i preferred elements over VD, but still had them both on town side of the line. i would've voted either to avoid no elim, obviously.- Datisi
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no? wasn't green like consistently calling italiano town throughout most of (the important/relevant part of) d1?In post 1831, Andresvmb wrote:
And once Italiano becomes a near certainty, this comes out? And you’re not suspicious?In post 1699, Green Crayons wrote:Post 1378 and Post 1429 echoed suspicions i had about RTP at the time.
i've put a pause on my RTP suspicions for reasons, so this is a "other player voiced reasons to suspect RTP that mirrored my own reasons" read
and like, as green was a possible wagon at some point close to eod1 (fuck if i remember at which point), i kept an eye out on possible opportunistically-on-italiano posts, i don't remember thinking i saw any. that quote does look ~ehhh when quoted by itself, i'll have to reread the context around it to see what i was thinking. which is gonna happen later bc i am not in the brainspace right now. also dinner. cheers.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- maxwell
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i was riding high on my maxwell theory until about five minutes agoIn post 1840, Andresvmb wrote:
So who is Scum to you then?In post 1832, Green Crayons wrote:i preferred elements over VD, but still had them both on town side of the line. i would've voted either to avoid no elim, obviously.
Dunn and Duchess slot still in my elim pool
I'll reread Lotus's, midway's, and Elements' ISOs later today, as i think they were on the lower end of my town reads, but i might be confusing midway and andre"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- midwaybear
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I townread Italiano for 72 where he votes VPB for a joke scumclaim. I thought Italiano scum would try to make his votes look better, so I townleaned him for that. When he revealed that it was a reaction test, I took away the townlean because it then seemed like something that was equally likely to come from either alignments.In post 1842, maxwell wrote:I can't find a good reason for his read to have shifted
His later actions also seemed scummy/not townie to me, so I ended up voting him. Agree that the self hammer was sooo bad- maxwell
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The Amish tell is when the replacement show's high levels of awareness of what their predecessor is doing while not having much of a handle of the game state. Its more than just bad mouthing the predecessor and the tell includes seemingly notable opinion on what their predec was doing. The idea is that scum are most likely going to iso their predecessor to see how messed up they areIn post 1756, Dunnstral wrote:So the amish tell is when you badmouth your predecessors actions, but that's not what you do here
So, yes. You were getting ready to make a push against me with the amish tell in mind
I already stated, it was a joke on the amish tell itself. I was introduced to it in the first game I had repped into, which was pretty heavy in replacements. The game was dark souls, and from memory, baltazar was the one who used the tell in that gameIn post 1771, Andresvmb wrote:
Hey Mom. I want the same as Dunn actually - some sort of explanation as to why you thought Battle Mage’s posts were Scummy. Because I actually didn’t agree.In post 1748, Momrangal wrote:Hi andres~ - Momrangal
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