Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[T3]

I don't think I saw SAMCRO's vote on Pooky because it was obscured by skitter's post. If this flips town... then shoot.

[skitter30]

Fwiw i kinda believe t3 and think his vote/hammer was accidental

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

putting someone at e-1 so that they get killed so you prove you are "right" about them is just very bad play.

you are either scum or like incredibly um, misguided :3

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-5

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PookyTheMagicalBear

(5): WhemeStar, CreativeName, GriffNotGraph, SAMCRO, T3

WhemeStar

(1): PookyTheMagicalBear

SAMCRO

(1): skitter30

Not Voting

(2): Megan Thee Stallion, Kazyan

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 12, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-11 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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An Elimination has been Achieved!

[fferyllt]

PookyTheMagicalBear was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 1 begins now and night actions are due by Midnight, Friday, March 5. Deadline: (expired on 2021-03-04 21:00:00).

If you have a night action please send it to me via PM before the deadline.

[fferyllt]

T3 was a

Town Jailkeeper

.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-1

Day 2 Begins!

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Not Voting

(7): Kazyan, Megan Thee Stallion, SAMCRO, CreativeName, WhemeStar, GriffNotGraph, skitter30

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 12, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-11 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- skitter30 is v/la Friday and Saturday
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[skitter30]

Ok so like ... this is why we announce e1 usually

Samcro can you walk me through why you voted pooky again?

VOTE: samcro

[Kazyan]

Okay, I looked over Creative's and SAMCRO's ISOs, and there's a couple of posts that I don't like in Creative's. I'm kinda worried that this is confirmation bias from the Pooky/Creative "this is not TvT" vibe, but it's what I found out during the night phase.

The fact that you appear out of no where after we discussed your inactivity and then vote me and give a reason as if you have been following the game is a good indicator and example of lurking, also why is it wrong to divide the players by activity, we have had many hours. possible SAM x Pooky scumteam, seems to defend pooky with a meta comment "but I think this is probably something he does a lot" that states they haven't really interacted before or at all

question for you, where have you been all day, you've had plenty of time to chime in with your reads and opinions why now? did you see me say I may sleep and thought you could get a sly votr in while I couldn't defend myself? Well i decided to be a goblin of no sleep and it's a good thing I did

Also on another note it appears everyone has at least said something so it looks like no one will be replaced, or at least not for now

There's this super aggressive post, but then it gets clawed back just a few posts later:

i will speed hammer pooky if there is another vote on him so we can get creative after when pooky inevitably flips town

I get either scum vibes or mason vibes from this, it's way too early to call flips like this so this is scum trying to make us not eliminate their partner, or a mason who knows pooky is town due to them being their partner, 3rd option is pooky is town and SAMCRO is pushing for a second miselm after a first one

I feel like this kind of hedging is scum try to overcorrect for pushing too hard. Like, if Creative were town, I think he would continue to go hard on SAMCRO instead of doing this, since SAMCRO is basically confirmed scum at that point.

VOTE: Creative

[Kazyan]

Like I know that's weak, but I looked at the hammer order and the only question is "was SAMCRO being genuine in putting Pooky at E-1", and the answer is "I don't know", so I've learned nothing even though that's the Pooky hammer episode is the biggest piece of information about where scum is in this game. I mean I guess T3 is confirmed now, so I could take a look at that again? I don't actually know anything about wagonomics and the only things I've learned how to do are to get salty at posts and look through ISOs, which, spoiler alert, hasn't worked in any of my games so far.

How do you analyze a wagon?

[CreativeName]

Okay, I looked over Creative's and SAMCRO's ISOs, and there's a couple of posts that I don't like in Creative's. I'm kinda worried that this is confirmation bias from the Pooky/Creative "this is not TvT" vibe, but it's what I found out during the night phase.

There's this super aggressive post, but then it gets clawed back just a few posts later:

i will speed hammer pooky if there is another vote on him so we can get creative after when pooky inevitably flips town

I get either scum vibes or mason vibes from this, it's way too early to call flips like this so this is scum trying to make us not eliminate their partner, or a mason who knows pooky is town due to them being their partner, 3rd option is pooky is town and SAMCRO is pushing for a second miselm after a first one

I feel like this kind of hedging is scum try to overcorrect for pushing too hard. Like, if Creative were town, I think he would continue to go hard on SAMCRO instead of doing this, since SAMCRO is basically confirmed scum at that point.

VOTE: Creative

It was more, I don't want to deal with this now I am tired, I'll fully deal with you when I am more awake. But as we know SAMCRO proceded to put Pooky at E-1 without warning anyone "Just to Prove he was right" that's not something you do, also town is never that super sure of this

VOTE: VOTE:SAMCRO

[CreativeName]

Ooops I put an extra vote in there, like an idiot

[CreativeName]

Also 2 makes an

Es -2

on SAMCRO don't hammer pls

I'll do a small reads list

Key:
+ Lock town
/+ Town read
//+ Town lean
/ Null
//- Scum lean
/- Scum
- Lock Scum

Pooky (+)
T3 (+)
Me (+)
Skitter (/+)
Griff (//+)
Megan (/)
Kazyan (//-)
Wheme (//-)
SAMCRO (/-)

Ok

[SAMCRO]

i forgot this game was still goin. wazzup

[SAMCRO]

creative is pretty much confirmed and skitter tryna act like she would be killed for no reason is also sus. btw, can we afford to miselim today?

[SAMCRO]

Also 2 makes an

Es -2

on SAMCRO don't hammer pls

I'll do a small reads list

Key:
+ Lock town
/+ Town read
//+ Town lean
/ Null
//- Scum lean
/- Scum
- Lock Scum

Pooky (+)
T3 (+)
Me (+)
Skitter (/+)
Griff (//+)
Megan (/)
Kazyan (//-)
Wheme (//-)
SAMCRO (/-)

Ok

can't help but notice all of your scum leans are people who know you're mafia

[CreativeName]

I'm not the one who put someone I was 100% on being town at E-1 without warning just to prove they were town

putting someone at e-1 so that they get killed so you prove you are "right" about them is just very bad play.

you are either scum or like incredibly um, misguided :3

Even your top town read thought you were scum :S, also that hard VT claim D1 was definitely not a town move, it even said in the game info claiming wasn't a good idea :\

[CreativeName]

creative is pretty much confirmed and skitter tryna act like she would be killed for no reason is also sus. btw, can we afford to miselim today?

I am not confirmed scum because of 1 misread? Like how does that confirm I am scum

Also we can afford 1 more miselim because it would take it to 3 v 2, so sure eliminate me, because I am town, how much are you willing to bet I am scum, you getting Lynched next day?, My reads being used to eliminate you and your scum buddy, because you seem so sure I am scum for a humble vanilla townie who has no extra info, if you are that good at reads idk why we haven't eliminated the mafia by now, or are you mafia and you know I am town, so you're too afraid to vote me because when I flip town you'll be the next one to go. How sure are you that I am scum, are you sure enough to take a 100:1 odds paying $100? or are you not sure as if you were sure i was confirmed scum you wouldn't need to ask if we could afford a miselim now would you?

[SAMCRO]

creative is pretty much confirmed and skitter tryna act like she would be killed for no reason is also sus. btw, can we afford to miselim today?

I am not confirmed scum because of 1 misread? Like how does that confirm I am scum

Also we can afford 1 more miselim because it would take it to 3 v 2, so sure eliminate me, because I am town, how much are you willing to bet I am scum, you getting Lynched next day?, My reads being used to eliminate you and your scum buddy, because you seem so sure I am scum for a humble vanilla townie who has no extra info, if you are that good at reads idk why we haven't eliminated the mafia by now, or are you mafia and you know I am town, so you're too afraid to vote me because when I flip town you'll be the next one to go. How sure are you that I am scum, are you sure enough to take a 100:1 odds paying $100? or are you not sure as if you were sure i was confirmed scum you wouldn't need to ask if we could afford a miselim now would you?

i am willing to bet 100000%. also the first line pretty much confirms you know i am town

[CreativeName]

creative is pretty much confirmed and skitter tryna act like she would be killed for no reason is also sus. btw, can we afford to miselim today?

I am not confirmed scum because of 1 misread? Like how does that confirm I am scum

Also we can afford 1 more miselim because it would take it to 3 v 2, so sure eliminate me, because I am town, how much are you willing to bet I am scum, you getting Lynched next day?, My reads being used to eliminate you and your scum buddy, because you seem so sure I am scum for a humble vanilla townie who has no extra info, if you are that good at reads idk why we haven't eliminated the mafia by now, or are you mafia and you know I am town, so you're too afraid to vote me because when I flip town you'll be the next one to go. How sure are you that I am scum, are you sure enough to take a 100:1 odds paying $100? or are you not sure as if you were sure i was confirmed scum you wouldn't need to ask if we could afford a miselim now would you?

i am willing to bet 100000%. also the first line pretty much confirms you know i am town

It doesn't, you're just grasping at straws now

[CreativeName]

I also noticed you haven't voted your lock scum read yet, me, which is suspicious, why would you hesitate on voting someone you are so sure is scum?

[skitter30]

Like I know that's weak, but I looked at the hammer order and the only question is "was SAMCRO being genuine in putting Pooky at E-1", and the answer is "I don't know", so I've learned nothing even though that's the Pooky hammer episode is the biggest piece of information about where scum is in this game. I mean I guess T3 is confirmed now, so I could take a look at that again? I don't actually know anything about wagonomics and the only things I've learned how to do are to get salty at posts and look through ISOs, which, spoiler alert, hasn't worked in any of my games so far.

How do you analyze a wagon?

By analyzing a wagon, we try to look at the motivations someone may have had for joining it, and try to determine if said motivations are more likely to come from town or scum

We know t3 flipped town, so if we're looking for potentjal scum on the wagon, we have to look at the remaining living slots

[skitter30]

creative is pretty much confirmed and skitter tryna act like she would be killed for no reason is also sus. btw, can we afford to miselim today?

Hmmm?

[CreativeName]

Does anyone have a friendly neighbour or incriminating tracker result btw?

[Kazyan]

By analyzing a wagon, we try to look at the motivations someone may have had for joining it, and try to determine if said motivations are more likely to come from town or scum

We know t3 flipped town, so if we're looking for potentjal scum on the wagon, we have to look at the remaining living slots

Okay, so...

WhemeStar, CreativeName, GriffNotGraph, SAMCRO,

T3

WhemeStar just parked his vote there and wasn't around during the hammer blowup. He could be scum, but given Creative's reads, I feel like it's more likely that he's just lazy!town and an easy miselim. If Creative flips town, we might have to revisit him.

CreativeName jumped on the wagon because of his accusations about Pooky, which were, like I said, weird. The reasons that Creative voted for Pooky are the very things that SAMCRO is discussing right now.

Griff is...interesting. He said he jumped on because of that's what everyone else was doing. Adding to the pile while feigning ignorance kinda reminds me of Mini Normal 2187. 2ndchosen1 rolled scum as his very first game of forum Mafia, and played the "ignore me, am smooth brain" card all the way until a scum victory. That being said, I get the feeling that the quick E-1+lolhammer caught Creative off-guard and that he didn't really want to be on the wagon when hammertime came? If that's true and Creative flips as scum today, then Griff is town and SAMCRO is town.

As for SAMCRO, it's like Pooky said. You don't put someone on E-1 just to prove a point, unless you're convinced that the person you're voting is scum. So SAMCRO is either very confident or is, himself, scum.

This is good, actually. It means that if we flip Creative and he's scum, then we have two almost-confirmed townies. And if we flip SAMCRO and he's scum, I think we basically win in that case too because, well, you'll see. So I'm willing to switch to SAMCRO if we have to do that to secure an elimination. Like, either way, if we eliminate scum today, we're an inch from winning and we just have to pick one.