Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[CreativeName]

By analyzing a wagon, we try to look at the motivations someone may have had for joining it, and try to determine if said motivations are more likely to come from town or scum

We know t3 flipped town, so if we're looking for potentjal scum on the wagon, we have to look at the remaining living slots

Okay, so...

WhemeStar, CreativeName, GriffNotGraph, SAMCRO,

T3

WhemeStar just parked his vote there and wasn't around during the hammer blowup. He could be scum, but given Creative's reads, I feel like it's more likely that he's just lazy!town and an easy miselim. If Creative flips town, we might have to revisit him.

CreativeName jumped on the wagon because of his accusations about Pooky, which were, like I said, weird. The reasons that Creative voted for Pooky are the very things that SAMCRO is discussing right now.

Griff is...interesting. He said he jumped on because of that's what everyone else was doing. Adding to the pile while feigning ignorance kinda reminds me of Mini Normal 2187. 2ndchosen1 rolled scum as his very first game of forum Mafia, and played the "ignore me, am smooth brain" card all the way until a scum victory. That being said, I get the feeling that the quick E-1+lolhammer caught Creative off-guard and that he didn't really want to be on the wagon when hammertime came? If that's true and Creative flips as scum today, then Griff is town and SAMCRO is town.

As for SAMCRO, it's like Pooky said. You don't put someone on E-1 just to prove a point, unless you're convinced that the person you're voting is scum. So SAMCRO is either very confident or is, himself, scum.

This is good, actually. It means that if we flip Creative and he's scum, then we have two almost-confirmed townies. And if we flip SAMCRO and he's scum, I think we basically win in that case too because, well, you'll see. So I'm willing to switch to SAMCRO if we have to do that to secure an elimination. Like, either way, if we eliminate scum today, we're an inch from winning and we just have to pick one.

[CreativeName]

why did it not put my text in, must have done it wrong :/

I said best judge if you can't decide is opportunity cost, but SAMCRO was called scum by his top town read (Pooky)

[Kazyan]

Yeah I think I'm gaining confidence in the SAMCRO option. I'm not gonna put him at E-1 yet because I don't want a scumbuddy to hammer and for us to get a repeat of Day 1 with still little to go off from anyone, but UNVOTE: Creative for now. Finger of suspicion at SAMCRO.

[WhemeStar]

Hi im here catching up soon still on like page 7 didn't read the wagon at all.

[WhemeStar]

i think this guy is being fake helpful

I think thats pretty bold considering we just started this game.

I don't think I like this post.

[WhemeStar]

i will speed hammer pooky if there is another vote on him so we can get creative after when pooky inevitably flips town

I get either scum vibes or mason vibes from this, it's way too early to call flips like this so this is scum trying to make us not eliminate their partner, or a mason who knows pooky is town due to them being their partner, 3rd option is pooky is town and SAMCRO is pushing for a second miselm after a first one

I don't like this post either

[WhemeStar]

Skitter is your only scumread Samcro?

I think samcro is obv town and I don't think scum does what he did there.

[WhemeStar]

He is WAY to confident for how a newbie scum would play.

[CreativeName]

I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-2

In Egyptian mythology the planet Mars was called Harakhty, which translates as "Horus of the Horizon", with horizon meaning the area lit by the sun's light just before dawn. The planet was also called Her Deshur, meaning Horus the Red. Horus appears to have been a syncretic deity. In different contexts he was referred to as a god of kingship, of the sky, and of war.

SAMCRO

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

Not Voting

(5): Kazyan, Megan Thee Stallion, SAMCRO, WhemeStar, GriffNotGraph

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 12, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-11 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- skitter30 is v/la Friday and Saturday
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[WhemeStar]

I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles

Do you think newbie scum acts confident with their scumreads?

[WhemeStar]

Megan/Griff do you have any thoughts at all?

[WhemeStar]

Megan/Griff I also suggest finding an avatar as it is very helpful for when others are reading the game to sort players!

[CreativeName]

I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles

Do you think newbie scum acts confident with their scumreads?

They could if they think it secures them the win with a miselim, say an overt mafia pushing with a hidden mafia buddy, it's likely a mafia win if all actives die if they get that miselim.

[Kazyan]

i think this guy is being fake helpful

I think thats pretty bold considering we just started this game.

I don't think I like this post.

???

What's wrong with it?

[Kazyan]

WhemeStar, I don't understand how you think. What makes it so obvious that SAMCRO is confident town?

[WhemeStar]

i think this guy is being fake helpful

I think thats pretty bold considering we just started this game.

I don't think I like this post.

???

What's wrong with it?

Because when I scumread people for being fluffy it’s usually at the start of the game

[WhemeStar]

WhemeStar, I don't understand how you think. What makes it so obvious that SAMCRO is confident town?

I can agree with him about creative

Scum aren’t so confident in fake reads that he will vote someone else just to get his point across.

Why do you scumread him?

[Kazyan]

I can agree with him about creative

Scum aren’t so confident in fake reads that he will vote someone else just to get his point across.

Why do you scumread him?

What Pooky said just made a lot of sense to me. I just don't think it's so unreasonable that Charge Into Glorious Battle is a scum strategy in the newbie queue. I'm not sure what to tell you beyond that.

[CreativeName]

I assume 1 of 4 things is

T3 Roleblocked the other power role - if this is the case don't claim
Tracker got no incriminating result or neighbour didn't send a message
Friendly neighbour targeted an inactive or the tracker is inactive
We only had the one power

All of these make sense with no claim

Again only claim if you're the tracker with an incriminating result, only claim who is friendly neighbour if it will help decide a lynch candidate/stop a town being lynched. don't claim if roleblocked

[SAMCRO]

VOTE: Creative

obvious tryhard scum

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Creative

obvious tryhard scum

What do you think about griff?

[WhemeStar]

I can agree with him about creative

Scum aren’t so confident in fake reads that he will vote someone else just to get his point across.

Why do you scumread him?

What Pooky said just made a lot of sense to me. I just don't think it's so unreasonable that Charge Into Glorious Battle is a scum strategy in the newbie queue. I'm not sure what to tell you beyond that.

From my experience that's not what happens.

[Kazyan]

You're the SE, I suppose.

@Skitter

, when you get back from V/LA: Does newbscum charge forth with accusations like this?

[CreativeName]

You're the SE, I suppose.

@Skitter

, when you get back from V/LA: Does newbscum charge forth with accusations like this?

From my own experience in non forum games I have seen it happen

Example:
A mafia roleblocker claimed town roleblocker and said they roleblocked me and the mafia didn't submit a kill, this was like a lot of the people playing's 3rd game and the mafia roleblocker's first game, so yeah it happens