Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Prism]

But I’d be super happy if someone could help me understand these things:

Why the hell did those two deaths happen (again ifucking hate you for killing the reason I’m playing)
Why was I not roleblocked (I double checked, and I definitely wasn’t)
Why the fuck did cakez kill quiet while pre- and post- claiming POOKY YOU WILL DIE I WILL END YOU

because my solve right now looks like Dgb, cakez, and borkjerfkin

1. One is a scum nightkill, the other is unknown but was most likely a vigshot (Artifact vs. rolepower is unclear). It is not to our interest to really investigate too much here as it is confirmed singleball.
2. LLD's item only roleblocks the town if she got shot at. She did not get shot at, so you were not roleblocked.
3. Cakez submits his action during the day. Here, he submitted EoD Day 1. This was the stated reason:

Mmk i submitted on quiet slot because that's a contentious area and could be useful

It might be worth elaborating specifically on why he didn't go on Pooky, which TBH isn't a bad pick because Pooky basically claimed a no artifact start with his commentary on my N0 artifact pass.

I don't think that's a bad solve tbh but my instinct is still bork town, I feel like I'm probably wrong on B_M/Titus but B_M would be playing really well as scum here tbh, why he's kind of 4th/5th on the priority list for me.

[MathBlade]

IDK if you missed it Tammy but the reason sangres was killed is because they had successfully linked up with MathBlade, scum couldn't risk it and it is primarily thanks to MathBlade that we voted scum Day 1 and are in a good position today Day 2.

I am sure it had a lot less to do with sangres being obvious town all day, townblocking with you, me, and a few others, and successfully hammering the scum despite vocal opposition.

I do remember now that when I checked in and voted Mastina it was because I was sheeping

you, Sangres and bell

mathblade, thanks for setting me straight!

Go fuck off.

It’s really hard to get scum elims while making sure LLD’s masons budd(ies) are hidden and defend my elim. When Cakez almost certainly flips scum you’ll be back to hey maybe MathBlade can play worth a damn instead of shading me because I was and still am backed into a fucking goddamn corner.

[Prism]

Go fuck off.

It’s really hard to get scum elims while making sure LLD’s masons budd(ies) are hidden and defend my elim. When Cakez almost certainly flips scum you’ll be back to hey maybe MathBlade can play worth a damn instead of shading me because I was and still am backed into a fucking goddamn corner.

Spoiler: The players backing MathBlade into a corner and forcing him to post 500 times in 1.2 gamedays

[MathBlade]

Go fuck off.

It’s really hard to get scum elims while making sure LLD’s masons budd(ies) are hidden and defend my elim. When Cakez almost certainly flips scum you’ll be back to hey maybe MathBlade can play worth a damn instead of shading me because I was and still am backed into a fucking goddamn corner.

Spoiler: The players backing MathBlade into a corner and forcing him to post 500 times in 1.2 gamedays

Yes and this entirely helpful and factual /s

Start a wagon somewhere on a scumread rather than continually pissing me off.

[Prism]

If it's not clear, my vote is currently on a scumread that I was holding off on out of courtesy pending review:

My working assumption has been that MathBlade is scum ever since he immediately 180'd on me/with the 3 way positioning between me/him/mastina, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Foreshadowed by 1702, whose response was very lackluster.

You also claim to have understood the fundamentals of the mafia alignment, which in light of a mastina redflip means I should trust you and vote you out.

[MathBlade]

But I’d be super happy if someone could help me understand these things:

Why the hell did those two deaths happen (again ifucking hate you for killing the reason I’m playing)
Why was I not roleblocked (I double checked, and I definitely wasn’t)
Why the fuck did cakez kill quiet while pre- and post- claiming POOKY YOU WILL DIE I WILL END YOU

because my solve right now looks like Dgb, cakez, and borkjerfkin

1. One is a scum nightkill, the other is unknown but was most likely a vigshot (Artifact vs. rolepower is unclear). It is not to our interest to really investigate too much here as it is confirmed singleball.
2. LLD's item only roleblocks the town if she got shot at. She did not get shot at, so you were not roleblocked.
3. Cakez submits his action during the day. Here, he submitted EoD Day 1. This was the stated reason:

Mmk i submitted on quiet slot because that's a contentious area and could be useful

It might be worth elaborating specifically on why he didn't go on Pooky, which TBH isn't a bad pick because Pooky basically claimed a no artifact start with his commentary on my N0 artifact pass.

I don't think that's a bad solve tbh but my instinct is still bork town, I feel like I'm probably wrong on B_M/Titus but B_M would be playing really well as scum here tbh, why he's kind of 4th/5th on the priority list for me.

The simple answer without messing too much up is Cakez didn’t check Pooky because Cakez + Titus planned on miselimming Pooky or me. Scum have to learn about other players. They can’t really push Dunn because that’s a continuation of yesterday which gets Cakez or Titus elimmed. They will not succeed in miselimming Pooky.

Pedit: And lmao on the last line. If you were applying the fundamentals of mafia alignment you’d be townreading me and calling me an idiot or hyperposter not this BS.

[Tammy]

But I’d be super happy if someone could help me understand these things:

Why the hell did those two deaths happen (again ifucking hate you for killing the reason I’m playing)
Why was I not roleblocked (I double checked, and I definitely wasn’t)
Why the fuck did cakez kill quiet while pre- and post- claiming POOKY YOU WILL DIE I WILL END YOU

because my solve right now looks like Dgb, cakez, and borkjerfkin

1. One is a scum nightkill, the other is unknown but was most likely a vigshot (Artifact vs. rolepower is unclear). It is not to our interest to really investigate too much here as it is confirmed singleball.
2. LLD's item only roleblocks the town if she got shot at. She did not get shot at, so you were not roleblocked.
3. Cakez submits his action during the day. Here, he submitted EoD Day 1. This was the stated reason:

Mmk i submitted on quiet slot because that's a contentious area and could be useful

It might be worth elaborating specifically on why he didn't go on Pooky, which TBH isn't a bad pick because Pooky basically claimed a no artifact start with his commentary on my N0 artifact pass.

I don't think that's a bad solve tbh but my instinct is still bork town, I feel like I'm probably wrong on B_M/Titus but B_M would be playing really well as scum here tbh, why he's kind of 4th/5th on the priority list for me.

1, Yeah but why those nightkill? (My cat is looking at me with really closed eyes and it looks like those horror shows with peoples mouths erased and is fucking creepy,). Why the nightkill interested me more than normal, because when not sangres or kitty? is we’ve got a claimed mason, Two claimed investigatives, and neither of those could ever pass for masons, sooooo why pass over the claims for that?

2, My question about my roleblock wasn’t relevant to lld. I literally only used my role last night to see if I would have been roleblocked, I was kind of at a loss on who to use it, and on,y did at the last moment for that purpose,

3. So the cakez thing dawned on me over night because he made such a fuss over it yesterday and I know it was a day role, Riggt before he claimed he was yeling about how he was going to end Pooky, but after he claimed was like who should I use my role in, guess I’ll just pick someone I suspect after shooting down someone else’s suggestion. Is that natural?

What I don’t like about Bork was the deflection shade he threw in ffery at end of day yesterday, he accused ffery of not town reading him because he called her out at end if day. I made a post about it yesterday and then deleted it because I also had some concern of ffery fake paranoia-ing me (it’s kinda her scum signature) but then with her dying and then him kinda deflecting onto me I’m womdering if that’s just not his svum thing too, I do know that Bork is a bit extra paranoid so this could be a blind paranoia of my own but I’m at why would scum kill town who clearly wasn’t a mason or one of the claimed roles? And the thing making me chew the inside of my cheek is hey Bork how ya doin?

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12629347

Literally a few fucking posts later I say she’s fucking red and I was fin right.

I just had to pick which fucking scumread.

Like literally I still think Cakez is scum here.

Scum have no where else to fucking push.

Pedit:
1)Tammy the answer is bad mason hunting. Titus is notoriously bad at it and she is probably scum here. LLD said she would be passing the artifacts to her masons buddy iirc. Scum are scared of PRs.

2) Yes Tammy is still town LLD if you tunnel her I will be pissed

3) He couldn’t use it on Pooky. Pooky was the designated miselim or me. Using it on me when I claimed no artifact would have been wtf worthy so the inactive slot gives away no useful townies if he’s hammered and if he’s not it’s plausible BS.

Like please I am begging here don’t make me defend Pooky harder.

[GreyICE]

@GreyIce, Can you vote Pooky with us? It's still on the Cakez wagon.

I'm pretty sure Pooky and DGB are scum. I'd policy Math if I had to, but I would rather eliminate scum.

This isn't a policy Titus. I'm perfectly capable of working with Mathblade, even if that working is, um, occasionally fraught with prickliness. We don't agree on how to play mafia necessarily, but we can get along.

This is me voting for a red flip here.

Could also be very strongly convinced on quiet/DGB due to a few Mastina posts, but do not feel nearly as strongly about Pooky.

[MathBlade]

@GreyIce, Can you vote Pooky with us? It's still on the Cakez wagon.

I'm pretty sure Pooky and DGB are scum. I'd policy Math if I had to, but I would rather eliminate scum.

This isn't a policy Titus. I'm perfectly capable of working with Mathblade, even if that working is, um, occasionally fraught with prickliness. We don't agree on how to play mafia necessarily, but we can get along.

This is me voting for a red flip here.

Could also be very strongly convinced on quiet/DGB due to a few Mastina posts, but do not feel nearly as strongly about Pooky.

I still think it’s Grey or Prism for the plus one.

Bell is just tunnelled town

And Battle Mage can’t read me to save his life.

Ffs stop fucking tunneling me because you fucking hate my guts.

Literally every goddamn townread I said was right

Like the entire reason I am fucking wagoned is because I was on defense day one and because I was on defense L-1 because of a fucking job.

This shit gets old and I give like ten townreads that get ignored and it just sucks because no one wants to pull their head out of their ass that I might be good.

[MathBlade]

The way I figure is you have two choices.
1) I out the mason (s) and townfirm myself and we elim Cakez or Titus and where I demonstrated I knew who the fucking mason(s) were
Or
2) We skip to Cakez / Titus part or whoever it is as if you consider me confirmed town.

Literally this is a waste of play and time to push me. You can hate me, call me and idiot, policy whatever, but a genuine scumread is something you 100% should not have and I as scum do not kill the people that would be pocketed so fucking hard as to be eventual puppets.

[MathBlade]

Now in case you think I won’t play chicken with you scum, here’s simple math:
Minimum of 2 masons plus me = 3 conf town
14 alive = 3 conf town + 3 scum + 8 other town

Assume the worst and we miselim every day and scum night kill goes through
12 alive 2 conf town 3 scum 7 other town
10 alive 1 conf town 3 scum 6 other town
8 alive 3 scum 5 other confirmed town

This means that we get all the way to damn elo at worst with forced kills.

So how about we just skip this step hmmmmm and you trust me that scum is within {Cakez/Titus/Dunn} and we just go there already.

Because on the absolute ridiculously low odds that is an all town wagon on Cakez and scum bussed Mastina hard we still likely win.

So yes, the proper play is to be an antitown (yet still protown) player and make you push me. It’s literally a losing strategy.

Either A> You trust me, and we get to 3 forced skills and the limited PoE
Or B> You don’t trust me, I out them, LLD yells at me for being an idiot and outing masons and the not typical play and blah blah and whatever, then we all look in Cakez/Titus/Dunn anyway.

I really,really like the whole avoiding yelling bits.

[Titus]

The way I figure is you have two choices.
1) I out the mason (s) and townfirm myself and we elim Cakez or Titus and where I demonstrated I knew who the fucking mason(s) were
Or
2) We skip to Cakez / Titus part or whoever it is as if you consider me confirmed town.

Give you the miseliminations you want or you out your theory on who the masons are? That's anti-town as fuck.

You claim the Cakez wagon wasn't all town. Yet you townread Pooky for mystical reasons. You also claim no one bussed mastina. In a Cakez scum scenario, all the scum would not be on the Cakez wagon. That makes no sense.

You are spamming and threatening anti-town behavior to get your way. You are also ignoring why I told you that you get wagoned. You claim it's because you're "on defense" and that people don't like you.

You're also acting like you're God's gift to us lower people. That's a very toxic mindset and makes people want to ignore you. This game has quite a few legends of mafia. Talking down to them the way you have and the fact they aren't voting you (mostly) for being scum is a testament to their patience.

If you think that the answer is me, Cakez, Dunn, stfu and let people see it. As a bonus, listening might show you that you're wrong.

VOTE: Mathblade

The threatening to out the masons unless we voted the miseliminations he wanted is the last straw for me. Either he starts showing humility and playing protown or he's out.

My vote only moves if a wagon on a scumread gets going in spite of him.

[Titus]

But seriously (Though I am totally serious about hammering that shit) yesterday you kinda got after me, and then claim d I was counter claiming cakez, when I wasn’t sure if even that’s what I was doing, But I know that sometimes when we’re town together and everything’s cool but sometimes it’s not and you like to take potshots at my playstyle and then I can’t tell if it’s scum you or town you doing it, But I would like to see all about cakez,

I’m having have had big motherfucking problems with Pooky and cakez interaction’s since yesterday, and I do not think both of them are town and while I think it’s some serious scum theater I could be wrong, but my one big question I ask myself is why did cakez spend all of yesterday saying I WILL END YOU POOKY!!! and then not know who to use his role on, take suggestions cuz he doesn’t know how to use his role, then use it on fucking quiet while still yelling “I WILL END YOU POOKY”?

Like does that make sense?

Does it make more sense than book trying to deflect fake paranoia on ffery yesterday at end of day over dumb bullshit? OH and then trying to false equivalency fake paranoia on me for ffery and do nothing else today? Yeah that makes sense y’all,

I don’t believe it’s impossible that w had due,in scum wagons yesterday, I think it’s entirely possible one of Pooky or cakes is scum,

The CC feeling was likely impulsive thinking given the deadline and that a CC fit into my established views and gave me a reason for you to claim at all. When I am depressed, sometimes that higher order thinking goes in a time crunch. Now I see that I was likely wrong.

I get that odd interaction in a way. Cakez role depends on finding deep scum though. Pooky is not likely deep scum, particularly given mastina flipping with no artifact.

You also claim to have understood the fundamentals of the mafia alignment,

What are these?

[MathBlade]

The answer is that scum are in that group yes.

Not all of them there but a high priority shot.

We will see what someone who isn’t in the scum PoE does.

Because you’re caught scum and said so with the chess move.

We are merely proceeding to step A for you.

Then soon as I make my post you go to step B.

There is literally nowhere for you to go.

My magic is a top tier absolute legend of a spell Titus.

Bring it the fuck on.

Unless you wanna believe Cakez was literally all town then scum is in {Cakez/Titus/Dunn}

Period. Titus is pushing me because it is a forced move. She wanted Pooky. Pooky won’t happen so she goes to me not because she scumreads me but because she thinks I am being an antitown jackass (which is partially true but anyone can see why once I out the mason(s))

So yeah Titus is the riskier play but imho the one that pays off as it explains the NKs and SirCakez picking Quiet perfectly. Titus realizes DGB picked up what I was laying down and she can’t have anyone fucking listening to me so she susses him.

It’s literally a no win proposition for her and channeling LLD like rage she’s forced into it.

Check and fucking mate.

[MathBlade]

Susses it sorry for mistaken pronouns DGB*

[MathBlade]

2463 is Titus going completely into defensive and omg mode because she knows I am right.

It’s just a matter of if she realizes she’s doing scum’s handiwork and desperately trying to figure out which of GreyICE+Prism is actively responding to the chicken thread (my hunch is Grey) and apologizing to Tammy in the desperate absolute fucking prayer she has of not being eliminated.

[Battle Mage]

This Cakez argument is such garbage. Oh wow he had no strong feelings about Mastina. No offense to SirCakez, but I don't count him among the paragon of scumhunters. If he's scum, mastina could have made copious wine off "oh wow I was a counterwagon to scum." Can Cakez do the same? Or is Cakez the sort of player who gets lynched day 1-3 in larges regardless of alignment. I haven't played with him a whole lot BUT I HAVE MY BET.

We're lynching on that wagon, no ifs, ands, or buts. I will reconsider this on day 3 if scum don't shoot me, sure.

That being said.

Vote: Mathblade

I've seen town mathblade, and quite frankly this isn't it.

this is bussing if i ever saw it. also didn't GreyIce agree to kill math last night?

VOTE: mathblade

[MathBlade]

VOTE: LLD

im ready to speedyeet mathboy as soon as the real game starts

Pooky does not have anyone's back, I've learned recently

I got LLD's back

Fucking back off. Pooky IS the/one of LLD’s fucking masons.

Back the fuck off already.

[MathBlade]

Look there’s a tarp over a building for no apparent reason.

@LLD how’s that for interesting?

Oh nope. Still weird?

Okay guess I will stay over here keep being town then. Cool

And here’s in day fucking one when I knew it.

Right after some of the most obvious mason crumbs from Pooky.

I literally told her “building cover” fucking mason cover.

I specifically pretended GreyICE was a fucking mason with LLD and I would die to make sure Pooky was not thought as a mason and begged Prism to fight me so it would get buried.

Then the hyperposting to fucking cover it up.

Titus get fucking wrecked.

[Battle Mage]

i like math too, so i'll throw you a bone.

There is a 42% chance when you turn up at the thread, math will be one of the last 2 posters.
Math has a greater number of posts cussing people out, than more than half the playerlist has actual posts.
Math has moved his vote on at least 17 more occasions than any other player.

[MathBlade]

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

The reason I am not scum is Pooky isn’t fucking dead.

Now can we please figure out who is scum in {Cakez/Titus/Dunn}

[Titus]

Yup so Math throwing a temper tantrum based on his read. What else is new? Pooky was under no real threat yet Mathblade outs a theory that suggests he's a mason.

It's totally wrong too. There's zero reason to crumb masons that early.

It's also troubling because Math is outright looking for masons rather than letting LLD just claim it since LLD is fucking alive.

[Prism]

This literally does not make you town. Sangres is a better shot than Pooky in every world, no offense to Pooky. If you figured it out, the scumteam also had someone that could have just glancing at the names at the table for 2 seconds. I never even cared who the mason was today, but without even rereading Pooky was my guess.

The only thing that makes you town is being this fucking delusional

[MathBlade]

Afternoon Vote Count 2.01

Afternoon 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-14 12:31:37)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to Bronze

PookyTheMagicalBear (3): SirCakez, Titus, Battle Mage
MathBlade (2): Bell, GreyICE
Titus (1): MathBlade

Not voting (8): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, Spiffeh, PookyTheMagicalBear, DrippingGoofball, Prism, Dunnstral

Mod notes: Spiffeh is V/LA until 3/8
11/70 pages used

Whoever is town on the Pooky wagon:

I literally spent an hour trying to find a song that says what I need to say without saying it.

ABC 123 is why Pooky is town

Control is where I am at now with Titus

Man in the mirror is going to be this thread when they figure out what I am saying. DGB gets it so they get a town read from me today.

ABC 123

Third post was Pooky’s mason crumb ffs