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Post Post #5575 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:45 pm

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Post Post #5576 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:47 pm

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I planned on going through s&w tonight but I gotta sleep early

just wanted to say it doesn't make mechanical sense to lynch us today regardless of anything, since if you wait 1 day we can either eat the nightkill or clear/condemn someone else
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Post Post #5577 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:52 pm

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In post 5576, War and Peace wrote:I planned on going through s&w tonight but I gotta sleep early

just wanted to say it doesn't make mechanical sense to lynch us today regardless of anything, since if you wait 1 day we can either eat the nightkill or clear/condemn someone else
This is dumb because you've already done that/given us at least one person and you're never going to get nightkilled because of how sussed you are.
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Post Post #5578 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:52 pm

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You can just keep saying that over and over, "I'll eat a nightkill!" and then it'll never happen because of how you're viewed in the game. So, that doesn't make sense, and I think you know it.
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Post Post #5579 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 5577, Fey wrote:This is dumb because you've already done that/given us at least one person and you're never going to get nightkilled because of how sussed you are.
if left alive today mafia are forced to either waste a nk on us or get either another confirmed town from our result, or potentially -1 mafia member if it's a guilty

if they had a roleblocker they'd already have used it on us

we have 0 chance of reaching day 5 regardless of whether it's lynch or nightkill, so all you're doing is being mafia's advocate here
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Post Post #5580 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:09 pm

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In post 5579, War and Peace wrote:
In post 5577, Fey wrote:This is dumb because you've already done that/given us at least one person and you're never going to get nightkilled because of how sussed you are.
if left alive today mafia are forced to either waste a nk on us or get either another confirmed town from our result, or potentially -1 mafia member if it's a guilty

if they had a roleblocker they'd already have used it on us

we have 0 chance of reaching day 5 regardless of whether it's lynch or nightkill, so all you're doing is being mafia's advocate here
So, then scum definitely has to have strongmanned M & R. How do you know this anyway? Krazy wanted PB and REk checked, so that clearly looks like they were vig hunting to me.

Either scum rb’d KidAmr strongman killed M & R. Unless KidAm is lying but I don’t think so but scum clearly wanted M & R dead and if vig hunting, why rb you?
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Post Post #5581 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:15 pm

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In post 3301, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3001, 5uffering wrote:Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.
I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

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Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.


/tangent

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Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

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I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.
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Post Post #5582 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:19 pm

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In post 5580, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So, then scum definitely has to have strongmanned M & R. How do you know this anyway? Krazy wanted PB and REk checked, so that clearly looks like they were vig hunting to me.

Either scum rb’d KidAmr strongman killed M & R. Unless KidAm is lying but I don’t think so but scum clearly wanted M & R dead and if vig hunting, why rb you?
the only way I can see them not roleblocking us while having a roleblocker is if they thought rek had a good chance of being a vigilante, since you telegraphed night actions

I forget what you said about protective stuff though re: morty and rick

also
You can just keep saying that over and over, "I'll eat a nightkill!" and then it'll never happen
not only would no one tolerate that in general, but you could hardcap our lifespan to day 4; I don't feel comfortable committing to this in a hydra but your votes aren't in my control in the first place, so my/our committment is kind of irrelevant lol

I gotta finish getting ready but I'll check back in like 10-15 minutes before bed
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Post Post #5583 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 5329, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 5326, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Toog can we get a readslist from you, thanks?
I will put a disclaimer ahead of time that my reads in each section are in no particular order. Apparently you guys think that in a category something at the top means strongest, which for me is never the case. The strongest is the category itself. If I want someone to know who my #1 town read is, I'll emphasize it.

Town for sure:

Fey
Pink Ball

Town-leans as of right now

Clidd**
Olaf
Dkkoba

PoE

Morning Tweet
War and Peace
Starcrossed
KidAmn*
SaraharaS*
Red Eyed Knights*
Dunnstral


*means I actually have like, zero, read on this slot at all. I don't pay attention to them, and I have literally no idea what contributions they have to the game. I pay attention to Nancy, and a bit of the conversation that is happening when I am actively there, and I have skipped everything else.

**has a good chance of actually being near town for sure based on interactions with scum, but I haven't paid that much attention and to the slot and it's more of a guess.
Can you tell me more about your PoE particularly Tweetie? I guess any of the slots you don’t have asterisks on would be helpful.
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Post Post #5584 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:26 pm

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In post 5582, War and Peace wrote:
In post 5580, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So, then scum definitely has to have strongmanned M & R. How do you know this anyway? Krazy wanted PB and REk checked, so that clearly looks like they were vig hunting to me.

Either scum rb’d KidAmr strongman killed M & R. Unless KidAm is lying but I don’t think so but scum clearly wanted M & R dead and if vig hunting, why rb you?
the only way I can see them not roleblocking us while having a roleblocker is if they thought rek had a good chance of being a vigilante, since you telegraphed night actions

I forget what you said about protective stuff though re: morty and rick

also
You can just keep saying that over and over, "I'll eat a nightkill!" and then it'll never happen
not only would no one tolerate that in general, but you could hardcap our lifespan to day 4; I don't feel comfortable committing to this in a hydra but your votes aren't in my control in the first place, so my/our committment is kind of irrelevant lol

I gotta finish getting ready but I'll check back in like 10-15 minutes before bed
Yes because Krazy initially wanted PB checked but settled on REK.
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Post Post #5585 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:50 pm

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Post Post #5586 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:26 pm

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Your VT theory is fine Nancy, I'll join Toog's wagon if that's what you want today. I partially agree with W&P that mechanically speaking, they're not the optimal elimination for today, even if I want them flipped to solve REK asap
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Post Post #5587 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:35 pm

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In post 5586, Pink Ball wrote:Your VT theory is fine Nancy, I'll join Toog's wagon if that's what you want today. I partially agree with W&P that mechanically speaking, they're not the optimal elimination for today, even if I want them flipped to solve REK asap
Krazy wanted both of you checked so it REK is the only reason, then I don’t think that’s a great reason.

Yes, I think they’re role is confirmable.

Clidd is pretty much spewed town and doesn’t want this wagon.

We need to have W & P check a suspicious slot. I think scum wants us to miselim our only really useful invest, so at least one scum is probably pushing this.
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Post Post #5588 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:37 pm

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Maybe
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Post Post #5589 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:40 pm

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In post 3443, Toogeloo wrote:This is my current, very basic, reads-list...

Town-leans

Sherlock and Watson
Batsunami
Olaf
Pink Ball

Untrusted/Leary

Gamma
Moriarty
Starcrossed
Italiano

Scum-leans

War and Peace
5uffering

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.
Why is S & W your #1 tr?
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Post Post #5590 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:47 pm

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In post 4355, Morty and Rick wrote:I suppose for a start there's always pick-spec.

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
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Fey
Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Dunnstral
Clidd
ItalianoVD
Toogeloo
Olaf Pyro
5uffering Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)
Saudade

So this is the original playerlist.

Titus is the scum treestump, right?

I don't think Titus drafts Saudade here in any circumstance. (Which is convenient since it'd mean Pink Ball is town!)
I don't think Titus drafts Dunnstral as scum, or Gamma Emerald as scum.
I expect Titus to draft players that're good as both alignments overall, and all three above fail that test imo.

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
SaraharaS
Fey
Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Clidd
ItalianoVD
Toogeloo
Olaf Pyro
5uffering Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)

Which narrows it down to this for a start.
Here comes more speculative analysis: Batsumi is an unlikely draft for Titus. Titus knows that Morning Tweet is good as town but probably isn't as good as scum, and that Noraa's scumplay is something likely to be exposed.
From pick-spec, I think they're unlikely due to that.

I don't think Titus picks War an Peace similarly so--Ircher is a reasonable scumhunter but not to the point where he's a high-priority denial pick, and his scumgame is, presumably, not up to par. ssamantha's a reasonable town player but I also don't think she's a must-deny that Titus would highly value.

While I'm less certain of those two, it's a start:

Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
SaraharaS
Fey
Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Clidd
ItalianoVD
Toogeloo
Olaf Pyro
5uffering Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)

10 names for 4 scum.

The problem here is that I'm utterly unfamiliar with most of the names within and Titus's familiarity with them:
Sarahara, Fey, clidd, Italiano, Olaf Pyro, marcistar, shadowslug, all of them I don't know Titus's view of them and most of them I'm not intimately familiar with.

However, I will say:
I would expect {Sherlock and Watson, Starcrossed, Rogue Squadron, Toogeloo} as being a pool of fairly high-priority picks for Titus. Probably not all four of them, especially given the draft mechanic, but there's a fairly high chance of scum in there.
Why does W & P kill M & R here?
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Post Post #5591 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:53 pm

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VOTE: Toog
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Post Post #5592 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:15 pm

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agree with fey and kid that the readlist in is pretty bad!

maybe it's cause i can see myself posting something like this as scum, but it strongly reads like scum forcing themselves to make content. the comments are vague/fencesitty in a way that doesn't feel genuine, and the last part especially about dunn feels like she spent time trying to find a semi controversial opinion to sit on. but the level of excitement/tone feels wrong there as well

krazy was also defending this slot

i don't agree that it's mechanically terrible to lim WP; it should really come down to whether we think they are scum or not because as scum, they will be able to use their powers every night, and their results are useless anyway

i will do nancy's task later!
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Post Post #5593 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:25 pm

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In post 5591, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:VOTE: Toog
UNVOTE:

Why is playing mafia so hard? :(
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Post Post #5594 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:58 pm

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In post 5593, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5591, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:VOTE: Toog
UNVOTE:

Why is playing mafia so hard? :(
*evil laughter*
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Post Post #5595 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:07 pm

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In post 5543, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Everyone ISO Sherlock and Watson and give me 3 townreads and 3 scumreads solely based on that.
Going just off the iso I'll say:

Town: Olaf, Morning Tweet, Fey
Scum: Starcrossed, Pink Ball, War and Peace
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Post Post #5596 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:10 pm

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i think toog is town from SW's ISO actually. look at this, this is ADORABLE, and more importantly, probably not partnery
In post 920, Sherlock and Watson wrote:alright out of respect for toog really though I'm gonna give this thread some time, no posts for me until work is done, see y'all in (expired on 2021-02-16 23:31:51)

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In post 1905, Sherlock and Watson wrote:toog is town and he values his contributions too lowly

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In post 2807, Sherlock and Watson wrote:Toogeloo
Spoiler:
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When was the last time you saw Toogeloo at the top of a readslist? When I read Toog's post, I feel like he is not just speaking from his heart, he's speaking from mine.

Toog isn't just town. He is the visionary thought leader we need. He's constantly down on himself, he's always doubting his reads and engagement, but his reads and play in the last booney game were actually excellent, the one thing he lacked really was conviction and hope.

What's also nice is, I think I can put Toog at the top of this readlist, and that will not change whether Titus kills him or not.

Well I for one believe in Toog. Look at that heart in the image I selected for him. Look at that cute dress. So town.
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Also don't know why you have Italiano above null and Toog should be top line town

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i don't really have a problem with his posting either @olaf. i like non-filtery posting style + his thought processes are kind of nuancy in a way that i don't think he'd think to fake as scum + pooky reads his frustration with the gamestate as genuine and i agree
In post 5290, Toogeloo wrote:I really have no interest in sitting here the whole day phase while Nancy drags this out for another 180 pages. If you're going to execute me, I'd rather it be sooner than later.
In post 5295, Toogeloo wrote:Any reads-list I give you is flawed from the fact that I haven't read moran 70% of the posts in the game. My gut and perspective say W&P and Tweet are scum.

I think Batsu got in your pocket early.

I think the gunsmith doesn't exist alongside the Vanilla Cop, and I think the Cop is townier.
In post 5297, Toogeloo wrote:So yeah, I'm not even looking at VTs as scum.

I don't think you have more than 1 mason (and I've been thinking you actually have 0 tbqh), and I think we have a lot of VT fillers as a result with all your 1 shot powers.
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Post Post #5597 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:12 pm

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In post 5592, Starcrossed wrote:agree with fey and kid that the readlist in is pretty bad!

maybe it's cause i can see myself posting something like this as scum, but it strongly reads like scum forcing themselves to make content. the comments are vague/fencesitty in a way that doesn't feel genuine, and the last part especially about dunn feels like she spent time trying to find a semi controversial opinion to sit on. but the level of excitement/tone feels wrong there as well

krazy was also defending this slot

i don't agree that it's mechanically terrible to lim WP; it should really come down to whether we think they are scum or not because as scum, they will be able to use their powers every night, and their results are useless anyway

i will do nancy's task later!
was also

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Post Post #5598 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:14 pm

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In post 5581, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3301, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3001, 5uffering wrote:Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.
I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

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Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.


/tangent

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Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

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I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.
Possibly anti-associative.


I still don't think their read on S & W makes sense here given the quoted post above
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Post Post #5599 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:18 pm

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In post 4355, Morty and Rick wrote:However, I will say:
I would expect {
Sherlock and Watson
, Starcrossed,
Rogue Squadron
, Toogeloo} as being a pool of fairly high-priority picks for Titus. Probably not all four of them, especially given the draft mechanic, but there's a fairly high chance of scum in there.
Rogue squadron slot has an inno check on them, Sherlock slot flipped scum

Do we think Morty and Rick died solely for their Sherlock and Watson read? I think Toogeloo fits as scum here
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