Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also would have expected him to be a bit more forceful when it came to voting mastina rather than the "No other choice " that resulted.

I disagree strongly.

I think it was a performative vote to get himself townread.

I don't see how Town!Cakez reacts this way to voting for the only viable other wagon. Esp someone that he was ok with eliminating all of d1.

Put yourself into Cakez shoes if he is TOWN.

You are town.

You are the leading bandwagon for D1 - you are at 8 votes(E-1), your closest competitor wagon Mastina is at 4 votes.

You have stated repeatedly that Mastina is likely to be scum and would be a fine vote.

Do you really vote her that weakly with no strength behind it?

Do you really not try hard to sell that Mastina is a much much better elim for the town than yourself?

Read cakez vote, look at the game state.

It does not make any sense.

Why is Cakez resigned and sad?

Because in his state of mind, he is giving up the chance for getting a mis-elim in D1, he is conceding that no matter who dies between him and Mastina, a scumbag is dying d1.

I have recreated Cakez entire progression d1 on Mastina below with pictures: You can check the ISO for yourself:



Doesn't like her reads



Puts her at "would yeet"




Says he has a gut feeling Mastina is scum this time



it's weird how he is not interested in a mastina yeet despite the previous things he said about her. tries to get Pooky/Dunn instead



MB convinces him its futile to try to elim Pooky, so of course between the Titus/Mastina compromises he chooses... Titus

Really cute how he has gut feeling about Mastina scum but can't seem to find the vote mastina button :3



Still has Mastina at "would yeet" but unwilling to vote her. Notice the top tier of the "want to yeet section" notice any difference from his previous list?

Nope? It's the SAME THREE NAMES AS LAST TIME.

But a key difference! The order has now changed.. Titus is now the first name in the list - any guesses who is the leading wagon at this time?

Yup, he was originally unwilling to compromise to Titus, but now he knows Dunn/Pooky are not going to happen so he's voting Titus, now she's moved to the front of his want section hehe I wonder why.



Now moving to soft-defend Mastina - was Cakey too hard on her last time? I guess he sees the danger that she might actually get yeeted now!



Now pushing Titus to relieve Mastina pressure, that wagon he wasn't even interested in earlier!



re-affirms that he would yeet Mastina if he can't get his preference of Titus - still no Mastina vote



INFESTED WITH SCUM!!!!!!



I am still waiting for his case, reiterates he is willing to kill Mastina here, still hasnt voted for her.



now trying to kill Dunn,

reiterates YET AGAIN that he is willing to kill Mastina

I think this is like a record for how many times you mention you are willing to kill someone WITHOUT actually voting for them. Like comically laughable at this point.

Is he like worried that if he doesn't repeat this "I will kill Mastina" line every other post that he's going to lose his bus ticket for when the Mastina Bus leaves the station or something lolololol.




GOTTA MAKE SURE THERES A SEAT ON THE MASTINA BUS FOR HIMSELF



Finally the end.

Look how sad Cake is

He has to get on the Mastina Bus

The Bus he had been insisting all day he'd been willing to ride on.

The Bus that keeps his butt alive.

Look at the enthuiasm.

Look at how eager he is to push someone who he had been proclaiming as

"gut read scum"
"crazy bad reads"
"willing to yeet"

Put yourself in Cakez shoes.

Does this post come from someone who is trying to stay alive and push out someone he has as gut-read scum

or someone who has finally accepted that he doesn't have the skill or ability as scum to push a mis-elim through?

[DrippingGoofball]

The entire fucking table has told you we don't care that you know who the masons are and your solution is to pound the table over the course of 70 posts going I'M A GENIUS AND IF YOU PUSH ME I'M GOING TO OUT THE MASONS

Playing with you is completely souldestroying, Titus as scum isn't voting you right now because she's forced to, it's because you are being so intentionally insufferable that it is literally free for her to do so.

She has a townie in her scumreads.

[Prism]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

The entire fucking table has told you we don't care that you know who the masons are and your solution is to pound the table over the course of 70 posts going I'M A GENIUS AND IF YOU PUSH ME I'M GOING TO OUT THE MASONS

Playing with you is completely souldestroying, Titus as scum isn't voting you right now because she's forced to, it's because you are being so intentionally insufferable that it is literally free for her to do so.

She has a townie in her scumreads.

I completely agree with Cakez, it's an issue of finding out where, and it wouldn't surprise me DGB! But it's going to take either mech or a lot of effort to get your slot out of a hole.

That said, even though I still have work to do, I feel good enough about the interactions with me/mastina to make a Grey vote atm.

VOTE: Grey

[Prism]

And Pooky: I traced through all of that separately, and understand where you're coming from with it which is why I still have you as town. I had Cakez as iffy-and still kinda do-precisely because it took that long to actually vote mastina. But wanting Titus/Dunn lines up with his reads, and I feel the final answer is more ambiguous. I'll keep chewing for you though.

I appreciate the effort you put into that though and feel very comfortable slotting you as pretty fuckin town.

[SirCakez]

Pooky (and whoever read the Pooky wall about me and mastina) I don't know if you've followed my recent scum games but that's just not how I'd be bussing somebody. I'd go all in on it or I would be defending them. Look at Among Us and BooneyToonz.

[Titus]

That leaves the last slot, which is likely on mastina. Where is the catch though? If Cakez is town, like I suspect, then it would likely be somewhat towards the front, preventing a Cakez swing. If Cakez is scum, then the vote is towards the back end. Of course either way could be in the middle, which is why I focused there.

What are your thoughts on bork? Are you willing to vote there today?

Yes, I would vote there today. Bork and I had some conflict yesterday where I thought he could be scum independent of the VCA.

Meanwhile, Pooky is making a good point against Cakez there. While I want to believe I was wrong yesterday, it could be that Cakez is a scum PR.

My preference is still DGB given how yesterday played out.

I would vote Bork though.

This is short of the reread I should do (but might not do) of the end of day 1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not accusing you of trying to bus Mastina!scum.

I am saying you were trying to yeet someone else and protect Mastina!scum.

Your posts, progression and votes during the day suggest this.

you were only forced into bussing Mastina!Scum at the very end when you realized all your efforts to secure miselims that were not named Mastina had failed and it was either vote Mastina or accept death yourself.

If you were to accept Death over voting Mastina, she would look bad if you were to flip scum, so you put a half hearted vote on her and couldn't find the motivation to push her.

Something that you should've been able to find if you were town teetering on the edge of (E-1) with the only other viable wagon someone you found scummy and were willing to yeet the entire day.

@Prism I understand,

there's other stuff other than his progression on Mastina that pings me.

such as this phantom case that he's been promising to put together on me for the last two weeks or whatever that has yet to appear.

I feel like I've written a fucking novel in the time.

[MathBlade]

You're devoting most of your posts to telling MathBlade why he's wrong, but you actively think he's Town. I'm concerned that you're doing this instead of pushing scum or visibly trying to get reads on others.

Correcting Math is my way of pushing Pooky. With Math screaming Pooky is a mason, it's very hard to get an elimination there. Pooky is scum by PoE unless Cakez is scum. I struggle to see an all town counterwagon on town (well after mastina) when scum could have switched to Sir Cakez.

The only way SirCakez and Pooky are both town is scum being ineffectual and unable to jump. That leaves us with a lurker scumteam, including DGB.

DGB I felt was scum separately. Her entrance just saying Math is town and then leaving shows zero scumhunting. Did she read the thread? Does she have thoughts? It's hard to push her when she doesn't post and there's someone posting they are better than everyone else.

That leaves the last slot, which is likely on mastina. Where is the catch though? If Cakez is town, like I suspect, then it would likely be somewhat towards the front, preventing a Cakez swing. If Cakez is scum, then the vote is towards the back end. Of course either way could be in the middle, which is why I focused there.

Good! It should be hard to eliminate a mason. In fact, it should be damn near IMPOSSIBLE to do so. The fact you still have Pooky as a scumread let alone forced by PoE is mindboggling. Either one of two things should be happening:

If you're town, remove Pooky from the PoE.

This means your PoE is Cakez/Dunn/me as for the people off the mastina wagon. You literally say "I struggle to see an all town counterwagon on town (well after mastina) when scum could have switched to Sir Cakez." I do as well.

Why does town Titus not finish this thought ever with who is scum in Cakez/Dunn/me if Pooky is town? My suggested answer later.

The only way SirCakez and Pooky are both town is scum being ineffectual and unable to jump.

Why is she immediately jumping here? Where is the Cakez scum Pooky town logic?

"That leaves us with a lurker scumteam, including DGB."

This is false. This leaves us with either a scum team that couldn't jump or didn't WANT to jump. Mastina has said VLA numerous times iirc. This means that this could be a planned bus if you think the entire wagon is town. You're inventing a narrative where a narrative quite frankly does not exist there.

DGB I felt was scum separately. Her entrance just saying Math is town and then leaving shows zero scumhunting. Did she read the thread? Does she have thoughts? It's hard to push her when she doesn't post and there's someone posting they are better than everyone else.

I already addressed this earlier. DGB did an active connection. This is not a buddy of "Math is town, maybe I should snuggle close. This is a 100% Math is town ride or die type limited post connection. Buddying would be agreeing with my reads and then just immediately voting Titus. Here it asks me what I want in order for elaboration. This shows a concreteness that isn't "just lurking" it shows active thought. This is you looking for anywhere you can push.

Titus I have a hard time reading you as town, because you are a fact driven player. Assume I am lying. LLD could instantly turbo elim me by saying "Pooky is not a mason buddy." This implies either Pooky is a mason buddy or at minimum a townread. Continuing to push me and saying that's a way of pushing Pooky is incorrect. If you wanted to push Pooky you'd push Pooky. You're stubborn as town. You'd end up pushing Pooky regardless. This is just crap.

If you're scum, then by all means continue pushing Pooky. If after me crumbing it a fuck ton and directly telling you Pooky is a mason, when Cakez flips scum, of which I will likely join Pooky on there will be no argument and no words. Because if I ever get a vig, I shoot Cakez here. Then when Cakez almost certainly flips red, I get you next, then Spiffeh and it's GG.

I have my computer coming in today or tomorrow so I likely will be afk a bit but please please narrow focus in Cakez/Titus/Dunn. If you think Titus is misguided town please vote in Cakez or Dunn. If you think all the Cakez wagon is town then please explain why with your argument for where we should go.

Hi, I appreciate your post addressing your concerns, but this is exactly what I DON'T want to do. I've explained that I am townreading Cakez and kinda Titus and want to move the discussion to scum reads that I am more confident about and aren't really on most radars.

Dunn is someone I'm still not happy with, but feel he has enough attention where he probably won't endgame if he is scum. Bork and DGB are players who I am scum reading and have potential to go far if their detractors are killed off (see my nk speculation above), so I think focusing on them is the best use of my time.

Also @Cakez you don't have to qualify every post of yours with "idk about Spiffy" when you've agreed with me on like every push I've made this game.

Every post over like 250 words is probably something I don't bother to write as scum. I promise. Start to accept it and knock off your paranoia, it's starting to irritate me.

Hi, I appreciate your post addressing your concerns, but this is exactly what I DON'T want to do.

I agree you don't want to do this if you're scum with Cakez and Titus. Prism on the other hand, while hunting elsewhere at least made a declaration of where they fell in those three. The closest we get from you is "ehhh maybe Dunn" (paraphrase). You say you townread Cakez and Titus. That doesn't explain why you don't do Dunn or me or Pooky. Or why you think the SirCakez wagon would be all town. You seem to imply your reads are not fixed. You have not answered why you don't want to look inside that narrow subset. If we assume your reads are correct, then you'd have to be looking for who busses Mastina and why. Therefore you'd be looking at someone like Bell whose focus was on me and Mastina almost exclusively. DGB is someone who NEVER gets far with me alive. Ever. I have a proven track record of catching it on day one in multiball. When I tell you DGB is likely town, it's likely town. Source Here's another game where I was pretty decent until the very end and we never failed to get a scum elim and lost because it was grand idea. If you want to maintain that Cakez and Titus are both town, then I expect you to address the bussing Mastina. Because even if you assume DGB is scum, that's still TWO scum on Mastina which is the majority. If you can't make an intentionally bus Mastina narrative fit when Titus was the old wagon, then maybe it's time to consider they're both scum if you're town. Because bussing Mastina to save Titus makes very little sense here if Titus is town.

Prism I will respond to you afterwork as to why "Cakez's progressions on Pooky and bork line up and make a lot of sense, I also would have expected him to be a bit more forceful when it came to voting mastina rather than the "No other choice " that resulted. " is imho incorrect. I think his progression is crap. I think he's latching onto Bork because Spiffeh is giving him an out.

I don't think Spiffeh who seems to be townreading Pooky doesn't try to help Titus see that avenue is fruitless today even if I'm disagreed with on that Pooky is the mason. Spiffeh wants to look outside because it's more comfortable.

If you want to look outside the Cakez wagon you need to explain why. It's not enough IMHO to say "I scumread X and here's a case" because that case will be predicated on what happened on D1 and then making a decision as to whether scum player X would be bussing Mastina or not which then necessitates solving the Titus/Cakez/Dunn/me/Pooky POE (I put me and Pooky as last because while not mod confirmed are damn near close.)

VOTE: Cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok also that mason thing

(1)
like that's just something I say, I said "I got your back to LLD" it to LLD in Tenet when we were scum together too. I don't crumb mason like that. If I were to crumb, it would be something you wouldn't be able to find out without knowing what to look for.

saying I have someone's back is just something I say to people when I have their backs. it's like literally my title.

(2)

I am not going to say whether I am or am not a mason, I'm not an idiot. Mason speculation just narrows down the mason pool for the scum to shoot in, let's not do that.

[SirCakez]

I am not accusing you of trying to bus Mastina!scum.

I am saying you were trying to yeet someone else and protect Mastina!scum.

Your posts, progression and votes during the day suggest this.

you were only forced into bussing Mastina!Scum at the very end when you realized all your efforts to secure miselims that were not named Mastina had failed and it was either vote Mastina or accept death yourself.

If you were to accept Death over voting Mastina, she would look bad if you were to flip scum, so you put a half hearted vote on her and couldn't find the motivation to push her.

Something that you should've been able to find if you were town teetering on the edge of (E-1) with the only other viable wagon someone you found scummy and were willing to yeet the entire day.

@Prism I understand,

there's other stuff other than his progression on Mastina that pings me.

such as this phantom case that he's been promising to put together on me for the last two weeks or whatever that has yet to appear.

I feel like I've written a fucking novel in the time.

ah I understand
I can see this argument so I will give you it

[Battle Mage]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

[GreyICE]

Second, I have waited all game to see how GreyICE has chosen to engage with my slot, and am skeptical of the approach he's taken and broadly want to see a lot more reads and activity.

Spoiler: Longer wall on Grey, which I would like him to weigh in on

Commentary on my slot hasn't really happened other than him randomly calling out Bell and chainsawing for me with regards to mastina. I have a few issues with how that went down. It was great to see him go to bat against mastina and to force through a vote on her, the problem is that he disappeared entirely after 1557, which leaves more of this to guesswork than I would like. Great flip and most of this progression is believable to me, particularly around questioning things like the teams, but two things really caught my eye.

Dear god. It's so bad it'd actually make Prism look worse if you flipped scum because it'd look like scum distancing. That is LITERALLY how bad this is.

This got no followup.

Actually, is Mastina town this game?

Because of that prism wall post, three points of it was flavor gaming the mod, and one point of it was "he scum because he scum lawl". Which leaves us with:

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

And equally I could say that posting "no content now, I'll catch up soon promise!" Is a scumtell, because, well, it is.

The start of the engagement actually bothers me significantly. mastina's point against me was very valid, even if the conclusion was wrong. As mentioned, I also wanted to see mastina engage more with my play (especially the whole "when you take Prism's play as a WHOLE..." nonsense). But this nonsense comes later, I really just want her to engage with me to see the town side of my play. The truth is mastina never needed more; it was a good point and the flavor argument wasn't terrible. It was when she reached for more that this became transparently trash. My concern is that Grey is assuming mastina is wrong from the getgo.

Normally I'd be less concerned with this just because yeah,

mastina did need to engage with my play even if the single scumtell was sufficient

. But Grey watched me singlehandedly steamroll two games as scum to the point where he called one of the games "1v8". They weren't particularly memorable games and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't remember me at all. If he just doesn't even want to bother trying to read me either, that makes sense. But going out of his way twice to randomly defend me, first by piling onto Bell, second with the mastina engagement, makes me skeptical.

I can absolutely see this slot being town, but the positioning around me and the disappearance at the EoD make me want more.[/spoiler]
[/quote]

Okay, my dude, I'll walk you through this slowly, and once. Mastina is not a completely shit player, even if I dislike her reads, but she understands the fundamentals of playing Mafia. Those fundamentals are pretty simple - you need to get a wagon to lynch scum. That's far more important than reads building.

As I said to her yesterday, her argument on you - even if we bought it was completely correct - was not building a wagon. Period. And if she wasn't busy building a wagon, was interrogating you on flavor likely to change anything? No. You were not going to change your flavor claim based on what she was saying. Even if you completely misclaimed your fakeclaim as scum, you wouldn't just up and change your flavor. So I wanted to know what she was doing. The argument wasn't just a bad argument, it was an argument that was manifestly neither advancing a wagon on you nor generating posts from you that would help her read you.

Her explanation for it was insane. And not the "townies have the weirdest logic" insane, it was just "this makes no fucking sense" insane.

Other than that, I'm not big on playing Mafia games on the weekend. I tend to use them to relax.

So anyway, Prism, if Mastina's argument on you was so good, is there any reason I should townread you? Since you think the argument that you botched a fakeclaim was in fact a great argument?

[GreyICE]

Uh... something went wrong there...

[GreyICE]

Mathblade, is your read seriously that the entire scumteam was bussing Mastina over... Cakez?

I'm asking if that's seriously what you think happened.

[Prism]

Okay, my dude, I'll walk you through this slowly, and once. Mastina is not a completely shit player, even if I dislike her reads, but she understands the fundamentals of playing Mafia. Those fundamentals are pretty simple - you need to get a wagon to lynch scum. That's far more important than reads building.

As I said to her yesterday, her argument on you - even if we bought it was completely correct - was not building a wagon. Period. And if she wasn't busy building a wagon, was interrogating you on flavor likely to change anything? No. You were not going to change your flavor claim based on what she was saying. Even if you completely misclaimed your fakeclaim as scum, you wouldn't just up and change your flavor. So I wanted to know what she was doing. The argument wasn't just a bad argument, it was an argument that was manifestly neither advancing a wagon on you nor generating posts from you that would help her read you.

Her explanation for it was insane. And not the "townies have the weirdest logic" insane, it was just "this makes no fucking sense" insane.

Other than that, I'm not big on playing Mafia games on the weekend. I tend to use them to relax.

So anyway, Prism, if Mastina's argument on you was so good, is there any reason I should townread you? Since you think the argument that you botched a fakeclaim was in fact a great argument?

I can track along with your wagon argument just fine that's consistent with posts like 1147. I'm not entirely sold that it's legitimate, and several of your initial posts on the slot were about the read itself being bad. With me being town, this isn't the worst, but the avoidance of directly weighing in on my slot until the "mod conf town" comment today, while actively defending me at other points, has bothered me.

I also don't think the characterization here is fair to the hypothetical town Mastina; the entire point of her posting would be that I would be going under the radar as a UTR and people seriously needed to rethink it.

So anyway, Prism, if Mastina's argument on you was so good, is there any reason I should townread you? Since you think the argument that you botched a fakeclaim was in fact a great argument?

Respectfully, the entire reason I'm pressing you right now is that you identified that mastina flipping red would lead you to suspect me, and then haven't followed up and have given 0 reads or reasoning on me all game despite some weirdly timed/selected defenses. So you tell me! If you want me to answer your question directly, the answer is no!

[SirCakez]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

mmm I don't buy this because we've been in games at this pace before and you've had much more to say

[MathBlade]

Mathblade, is your read seriously that the entire scumteam was bussing Mastina over... Cakez?

I'm asking if that's seriously what you think happened.

That is not my read.

My argument is if you think the entire Cakez wagon is town, then why is the scum team all bussing Mastina.
If you think Cakez is scum who is scum on it if any
If you think Cakez is town who is scum on it and why.

I think it’s Cakez + Titus + Spiffeh + Mastina.

Only posting because I was asked a direct question.

[Prism]

To be clear: I'm not saying that my guess that your interaction with Mastina is anything more than an intuitive guess. Something bothers me about singling out that mastina read, which imo wasn't awful, and jumping in with me/Bell struck a bad chord with me. There's a feeling of out of place selectivity in both cases, and with the mastina one a concern that you worked backwards over forwards. The wagon explanation helps a bit with showing the working forwards, but the easiest way to solve this in general is just to be more proactive and engaged imo.

[Prism]

Like, if you had at the time of that mastina interaction seriously evaluated and reviewed my slot before coming to my defense against mastina, this is entirely news to me.

[borkjerfkin]

it should be clear based on my stances at the end of the Day why I am singling him out over Tammy, but instead he tries to discredit my suspicion by deflecting onto Tammy.

@bork, who do you want limmed today and why? On top of everything I've stated above, I feel a lot of your posts today are surface level and I have no idea where your head is at.

I mean, your stances aren't always clear, that's why I'm calling them out and speculating. You latched onto something that I felt was underexplained by them and only now do I have any kind of justification about why you feel this way.

(I don't really want to make this about tammy either but what has she done in particular that screams town besides an early unprovoked claim, because otherwise she's just been kinda there)

My reads probably would sort into:

{LLD, Bell, Prism, Pooky, Math}
{GreyICE, Cakez}
{Spiffeh, Tammy, BM}
{Dunn, Titus, DGB}

All my lower tier stuff explained:
Dunn - my reason for townreading Dunn EOD yesterday evaporated - I actually thought he was the mason partner for LLD, but Dunn's interactions with LLD have made it pretty clear that this isn't the case. Otherwise, his progression on Mathblade kind of left me in a weird spot as I wasn't very satisfied with how it ended but I picked up on what I thought were softs in that I didn't want to pursue it anymore. Would again restate that I doubt Dunn is scum w/ DGB.

Titus - just kinda gross interaction with Mathblade throughout the game. I find it really hard to stomach that someone wants to continually move back to a policy elim when we have a gamestate that really is pretty sane so far. Math also seems pretty transparently town to me. Don't like this version of the Pooky push either - I can more see where Cakez is coming from even if I think he's being dense as fuck about it.

DGB - Dunno, just expecting something other than the entrance I got. Might imply Titus is town if flipped scum but I consider the error bars extremely wide on that. Was hoping to be able to put this higher up when the slot turned over but here we are.

BM - Hard to quantify, just kinda bad vibes with voting patterns crossed with I think an occasional salient post or two. Did kind of get on mastina before it was cool, so maybe that does count for something. I need a reread.

Tammy - Other than the claim there's just not much there for me? A lot of talk about her overall approach and a lot of hypotheticals but not a lot of stuff that I'm reading with like "yeah I can empathize with that take". Her level of effort is reasonably high when she's here but I'm having trouble finding anything concrete that I can latch onto in a lot of her posts.

Spiffeh - Wanted to save you for last because you've done some stuff I like and some stuff I don't. I feel like people who approach with the level of breadth you do are generally town, and yeah you're trying to kick stones around, but your engagement against still seems like someone who decided at the start of day he wanted to push on my slot because of the opening that ffery gave about it and the fact that I'm not hyper engaged at the moment.
Ultimately I was worried about the mastina votes, but that was something I was willing to deal w/ d2 and that flip I think gave me considerable info and is also why I'm not up the people's asses that I said I was going to be up at start of day if mastina were to have flipped town.
Can we drop the 'surface level' buzzword when describing what you actually don't like about my play here? That makes it utterly impossible to read into your motivations for calling me out here and honestly makes me not want to engage at all. Do you disagree with my points? Do you think I am overly simplifying things? Your suspicion is wrong, and pre-2528 based on imo a really simplistic "sangres kinda sorted suspected bork and sangres is now dead" (despite the fact that I was fucking heavily crumbing that I was going to visit them w/ something last night which by the way I fucking did and it sure was fuck wasn't with a kill)

[borkjerfkin]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

mmm I don't buy this because we've been in games at this pace before and you've had much more to say

+1 on this; game is fairly civil esp compared to the dumpster fire that was Xenoblade where you were basically that game's Mathblade

[borkjerfkin]

I think it's pretty clear why I'm singling you at

btw this is the kind of qualifier shit I post on my stuff when I'm scum to try and make my stances seem more reasonable and my opponent's seem less so

[borkjerfkin]

appeasement is coming now
FEAR ME SCUMBEAR

there is a huge elephant in the room about pooky right now that you are utterly ignoring. Why?

???????????

Like I'm not looking for confirmation that anyone's a mason, but that's being fucking heavily touted right now and I'd be inclined to look elsewhere today.

[borkjerfkin]

There we go. The answer that says nothing I do on this site fucking matters.

I don’t post fast enough scum.

I post too much scum.

I build a town block scum.

I defend masons scum.

I don’t defend masons scum.

It’s always scum or mental illness or bad play shade.

People should pull their heads out of their damn asses and look for scum in Titus/Cakez/Dunn.

Pooky is never the elim and I only am if you make me look ridiculous rather than the calculated strategic anger I have had bottled up inside since this day opened and Titus started with Pooky.

Who is scum in Cakez/Titus/Dunn?

This should really by itself be enough to basically clear Mathblade and yet I think he's still showing up as a leading wagon on d2.
Like I don't care if he's doing shit you don't clearly grok the logic of.
I don't care if he's spamming up the thread.
The raw emotion and fedupedness and even with all that the commitment to engagement instead of just going "okie dokie guess I'll lurk like you wanted me to" should be what you need to just dismantle the fuck out of this wagon indefinitely.

Like I really don't get it at this point in the game.