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I landed there yesterday and have consistently argued that today.In post 2026, Momrangal wrote:You too? Hmmm- Andresvmb
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I mean yeah, again, this slot is definitely worth flipping. And I would argue it would clear Dunn.In post 1097, Green Crayons wrote:
VOTE: RTPIn post 1095, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:In post 1093, Green Crayons wrote:
i dont understand what that means but also i dont care about how you envision how i should play so i have no inclination to respond to your characterization of my playIn post 1090, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Like youre not even responding to the accusation that i said thay youre trying to widen poe -> you outted a bunch of ppl yousay you would be "unopposed" to eliminating. Like u threw in a bunch of inactive slots and added me and called it a day.
you do know what it means u just wanna waste conversation to fluff and ignore it.- Andresvmb
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Yeah I’m going to insist. The fact that they backed off at the end after they probably decided to just shoot RTP really brings the point home.In post 1507, Green Crayons wrote:I'm still here on RTP. Come back. It's warm and cozy. Or how about maxwell for lazily riding RTP's coattails in pushing a GC vote on weaksauce theory, after RTP early called his slot town.
I am going to strongly suggest that GC is Scum here. In fact my read has only hardened after ISO’ing there, and I would like to encourage all of you to read there carefully.- Andresvmb
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And if GC flips Scum, don’t let VPB get away with this distancing. They were vibing quite well D1 to now make this post, which comes across as a little funny to me.In post 2005, VP Baltar wrote:I would be surprised if that's the entire team, but GC and/or andres have variously made me feel uneasy this game in ways I haven't really articulated to myself.- Andresvmb
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you're definitely not gonna hear me arguing that baltar and max are partners, but those posts you pointed out don't really seem anti-partnery to me? like to me it reads as a relatively-easily-fakeable solving.
i don't think you responded to what i was more interested about. when/what push on duchess were you talking about?
right. but, you said it yourself you do not townread dunn. and that we're more likely town than not because we're loud. and all three of us have at least somewhat strong preferences for a dunn vote. would it not make sense to flip dunn here? if he's scum, it's a beautiful flip. if he's town, it's Not Great, but it rids of a null-scummish slot, and it would show that there is probably something very fucky going on in the town.In post 2017, Andresvmb wrote:
I tried to explain this I believe but maybe I wasn’t clear. I would be floored if you were all Town in the universe that Dunn is Town. Because then that’s two consecutive executions of relatively easier players to push lead by a combination of the group I highlighted plus a few other actors.In post 1931, Datisi wrote:i'll get to your other stuff tomorrow. i'm decently confused about your recent posts, claiming you'd be floored if dats/baltar(/lotus) was all town, then turning around and calling that speculative because we're being loud and scum often isn't loud. i feel like i need to review your d1 again which i do not have the brain cells for right now
i mean, i don't necessarily think they're bad either, like midway is definitely not a shining beacon of towniness here. but it's not the points themselves, i don't think they're fakeable for scum!dunn, and it's more about the timing.In post 2020, maxwell wrote:All right, that's fair enough, when you put it that way, I understand where you're coming from. I am hesitant because I've seen Dunn as lurking underwhelming town before and it doesn't feel far off from that here (plus I don't think his points about midway are bad!). I probably need to quit being lazy and take a broader view of the game at this point, it's just...daunting.
thonkIn post 2021, maxwell wrote:He didn't push duchess as a scumread at all and I'm not sure what you're seeing there exactly.
i don't understand this view at all. like, lotus is also one of the people that wants dunn dead. baltar is heavily helping out there. if you assume lotus!scum and baltar!town, why in the heck would lotus start trying to abuse the ~paranoia~ now?In post 2022, Andresvmb wrote:
This actually makes no sense to me. So I’m going to say I think it’s coming from Town.In post 1985, RLotus wrote:I still don't see scum in VPB and Datisi after reconsidering. After reading a couple VPB games, it seems like he has a tendency to try to discredit people pushing on him as town. At first I thought it was scummy, but I think that is town behavior for him.
I still have this lingering gut paranoia about him regardless. Maybe he could be a deepwolf here? I dunno I guess I can't shake the feeling I got day 1. Anyway, he's in my townblock.
I mean, you say that a player that is discrediting those that question them after they’ve made a consistently bad push, and gives you bad vibes, is in your Town block, but could be deep Scum? What Scum doesn’t try to take advantage of these points unless they’re taking about a Partner?
could you link this? i'm scrolling around early green's iso, and i don't see it.In post 2024, Andresvmb wrote:At first, GC makes the point that Duchess is trying to defend a Partner, and that they’re both Scum.
this wagon is giving me Bad vibes and the fact that andres' vote is the best one on it is not comforting
gotta run for a bit, be back Soon(tm)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Green Crayons
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I’ve already addressed this.In post 2029, Andresvmb wrote:
Yeah I’m going to insist. The fact that they backed off at the end after they probably decided to just shoot RTP really brings the point home.In post 1507, Green Crayons wrote:I'm still here on RTP. Come back. It's warm and cozy. Or how about maxwell for lazily riding RTP's coattails in pushing a GC vote on weaksauce theory, after RTP early called his slot town.
I am going to strongly suggest that GC is Scum here. In fact my read has only hardened after ISO’ing there, and I would like to encourage all of you to read there carefully.
Rtp was rereading the entire game repeatedly yesterday.In post 1833, Green Crayons wrote:
this was in reference to RTP backing off of his GC voteIn post 1831, Andresvmb wrote:
And once Italiano becomes a near certainty, this comes out? And you’re not suspicious?In post 1699, Green Crayons wrote:Post 1378 and Post 1429 echoed suspicions i had about RTP at the time.
i've put a pause on my RTP suspicions for reasons, so this is a "other player voiced reasons to suspect RTP that mirrored my own reasons" read
I thought he had spotted something in the thread which i think is obvious
I thought that they had finally saw my claim when they mysteriously unvoted me and told others to back off."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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What’s exactly your theory here of why VP!scum would be lying?In post 2007, Momrangal wrote:ind it difficult to beleive that a person entirely forgets a tell they used to use once upon a time BUT I guess I could give you the benefit of the doubt"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Andresvmb
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I want to flip the player I Scum Read the most. Just because you all think that Dunn is Scum (I don’t find Dunn particularly convincing either way) does not mean that I have to agree. And I already have the sense that something is going on. Which is why I’m not going along. I don’t need to flip Dunn to confirm that.In post 2034, Datisi wrote:would it not make sense to flip dunn here?- Andresvmb
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Did you even read what I wrote? I was arguing that RLotus is probably Town for that post, because the thought process behind the post is rather convoluted. I am not making an assumption that RLotus is Scum, and VPB is Town.In post 2034, Datisi wrote:i don't understand this view at all. like, lotus is also one of the people that wants dunn dead. baltar is heavily helping out there. if you assume lotus!scum and baltar!town, why in the heck would lotus start trying to abuse the ~paranoia~ now?- Andresvmb
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In post 2034, Datisi wrote:could you link this? i'm scrolling around early green's iso, and i don't see it.
The very first sentence confirms what I’m saying. They “toyed with the idea” of Italiano and Duchess being both Scum, but after Italiano turns around and votes for Duchess, it appears to be less likely (but not that they leave themselves open by saying that it could just be “strategy”).In post 186, Green Crayons wrote:
I toyed with the idea of maybe s/s, but that post I was quoting specifically feels more like s/t. Also on the aggression scale my Q to VD was so benign that I don’t think a scum would have felt compelled to preemptively attack it on behalf of another scum who hadn’t yet responded. Couple that with VD-scum turning around to vote Dutchess-scum seems unlikely though not out of the realm of reasonable strategy (this doesn’t seem like a quick elim game, in terms of attitude and no players that I know of who will insta hammer).In post 182, VP Baltar wrote:Do you think Duchess and Italiano are scum together? Or that duchess was scum trying to pocket a low hanging fruit townie?- Andresvmb
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Are you being serious right now? What post could they possibly have interpreted as a claim of any sort? Quote it. Because I haven’t read it, and I read every post if yours. And since you’re hinting so heavily at it, you’re going to clarify this now.In post 2035, Green Crayons wrote:I thought that they had finally saw my claim when they mysteriously unvoted me and told others to back off.- Green Crayons
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"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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you're vomiting confbias on my dutchess suspicions. that's just scumhunting my guy."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Andresvmb
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And I think you’re full of it. I am basically saying that I don’t buy your explanation.In post 2035, Green Crayons wrote:I’ve already addressed this.- Green Crayons
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at minimum it requires dutchess to be town, which i don't think she is. i stepped away from pushing her because she flagrantly lied about my play, twice, and nobody gave a shit and it was going to give me an aneurysm"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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You want me to believe that your reaction to VPB there is a hint at your role? Is this a joke? VPB at that stage of the game couldn’t possibly know anybody else is a Friendly Neighbor, unless I’m an idiot with mechanics. So you’re hinting at Informed in some way. That doesn’t make me feel any better about your slot.
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why would Baltar need to know that there was a neighborizer? what is even your thought process.
I saw Baltar's post and thought either he was just shooting the breeze, and it was worth putting out a crumb, or maybe similar to a game i just played (I believe with Baltar) where there were multiple folks of the same role (here, neighborizers) and he was trying to see if there was a similar situation"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting). - Green Crayons
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