Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[CreativeName]

Spicy beef and pepperoni with peppers for me

[CreativeName]

Megan and griff have 6 and a half hours I think

[WhemeStar]

When would the ia's be replaced on night start or midway through the day, because it feels like wheme is just trying to delay his scum buddies death now

You think Samcro and I are on a team?

[skitter30]

honestly the stalling makes me think some of the lurkers are scum too

[fferyllt]

Searching for replacements for GriffNotGraph and Megan Thee Stallion.

Deadline is paused at 3 days.

[Kazyan]

I know I keep complaining, but it's low-key stupid and frustrating that we have the identity of one scum pretty tightly narrowed-down, but that we don't have the wherewithal to eliminate someone right now. Everything is fine if I'm right about SAMCRO, but...

[skitter30]

Yes. But i would prefer to hear from the empty slots first. If nobody fills them after a day SE's will be able to take the slots and at that point they usually get filled p fast. I'm sure ffery will be reasonable i.e. deadline and such until we get this all sorted out

But given how dead the game is i kinda think scum is in the empty slots

[fferyllt]

six pomegranate seeds replaces GriffNotGraph. Please welcome him!

Deadline is still paused while I seek a replacement for Megan Thee Stallion.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Hi everyone nice to meet you! I've played mafia on another website but this will be my first forum game.

I'm honestly just happy I got town in my first game right now, you can take that as non alignment indicative but it is true

I will try to read through the game and write down my reads for you guys soon.

[Kazyan]

Welcome, Seeds!

[skitter30]

Yay excited to have you! Luckily the game thus far is p short!

[CreativeName]

Hello seeds, we're currently no eliming until megan is replaced, tbh I townread your predecessor so for now you'll take that same spot as you have the same role

[six pomegranate seeds]

Sounds good, thanks for the welcome! I went for a run and picked up lunch, so I'll start my review soon.

[six pomegranate seeds]

I’ve already skimmed and seen the flips so I know Pooky was town and T3 was town. My gut feelings walking away from the skim were:
Townleans: SAMCRO / Kazyan / WhemeStar
Scumleans: Skitter
Null CreativeName
I don’t totally remember the reason for these feelings, didn’t write anything down yet.

Now I’ll reread and take notes reading game chronological order to brain dump my thoughts and help me process.

#13 leans town, but is SE doing it so weak feeling. (whemestar)

#14 leans town. Succinct, to the point.

#17 People frame 1 claiming VT tend to really be VT in my book. It would be a very strong play as mafia, I admit. The delivery is funny however and in my book funny leans town.

#23 skitter initially TRs samco, which I agree with.

#27 this mildly leans scum to me. I don’t like when people ask questions that seemingly serve no purpose to finding scum, especially if it is an SE doing it. #34 implies that skitter was going to use clearly NAI memeing / or the fear votes of a now confirmed townie as a way to alignment read them, which I think leans scummy. If someone does that to me I disregard it as meaningless and look for other clues. #43 So skitter implies she SRs pooky for literal jokes - this looks very bad in hindsight knowing that pooky is town. On my initial skim pooky did not seem that townie, but SRing for RVS memeing doesn’t feel good to me.

#47 I remember TRing kazyan on the initial skim, this was probably the post that started it, they give what feels like the first real TRs of the game because they give a teeny bit of meat to the reads and they feel right, pooky feels NAI so far and SAMCRO feels town. I agree that SAMCRO playing dumb is a bold mafia strategy.

#25 and #48 this is a silly thought but them saying long time no see would seem really silly if they were S/S and had a private mafia chat to themselves. Maybe they are laughing about it in mafia chat though.

#51 don’t like this toweread on skitter by kazyan but it doesn’t mean they are scum tbf.

#52 maybe there is context here then that I am missing. #53 / #54 I think my bias towards skitter being scum makes me feel better about kazayn being townie if skitter is mafia i feel like kazayan is probably a town from that early TR. Idk if skitter is a player who would defend their mafia.

#57 and #59 honestly feel kind of LAMISTy in retrospect, creative is explaining an awful lot of stuff that seems irrelevant to me. Lots of words to explains things that are common sense. But on my skim I didn’t really SR him for these quotes maybe he is just concerned about noobs no voting. #61 reads seem a little forced tbh, similar to skitter implying a light susses on Pooky Creative trying to draw a serious conclusion out of obvious nonsense, feels a little tryhard tbh with you.

[six pomegranate seeds]

#64 Maybe this is where I TR kazyan tbh, creatives reads definitely feel like a stretch and I like where Kazyan’s head was at here. #65 This doesn’t read as town to me but w/e.

#71 I actually forgot kazayan pointed out the LAMIST. Anyway kazyan feels townie than Creative in this interaction don’t know if that makes creative scum.

#75 feels like a townie mindset from kazyan. Uncertainty in his reads clearly answers the implication of skitter’s deliberately vague question. #85 never mind guess it’s not too vague.

#83 T3 SR skitter - this is super townie move from our dead jail keeper jumping into the game with a SR Actually this makes me feel really good about SRing skitter given T3 will later die as the night kill and I didn’t see any PR softs on my skim. I think in the average game SEs would die before a newbie lie T3 so it makes me think skitter is scummy.

#91 I think I like whemestar coming in with an early strong SR too. Pooky feels at this point to have low meaning to text volume ratio. But whemestar is SE so I have to be careful TRing him too much.

#94 I feel like Creative bringing up possibility of masons when we know its jail keeper now is maybe townie? But looking at the grid I guess mafia doesn’t really know that much about town PRs from their roles so nvm its NAI.

#95 this entreaty from whemestar to skitter does not feel like a maifa teammate trying to get their mafia teammate to vote with them. In my mind I doubt that whemestar and Skitter are both mafia together.

#96 I think whemestar suddenly changing their mind like that is townie. Imo mafia tend to try to weave a coherent story and that total 180 not only is not coherent it also feels right from my POV because I don’t think creative seems like obvious town either. #97 Now that I reread 94 after whemetar saying it throws him off yeah #94 seems like total filler content lol. Creative has been speaking a lot to say very little tbh. Posts #95-97 to me make whemestar see like a town. I like when people appear like they are thinking and I like the conclusions he’s reaching here.

#98 T3 continues to SR skitter. I like the skitter SR still.

#104 and 106 - I have almost no idea what to make of this. It seems like Whemestar was PR reading creative and then creative reveals he doesn’t know towns PRs. Actually seems like whemestar is putting himself as a town power role which perhaps weakens my TR on him given he will survive the night phase.

#109 I don’t mind skitter’s conclusions that they come to here in 109. But a Note - I don’t think that Skitter ever really makes a conclusion off of asking spooky how far he was going to take a meme vote. Just some very light vague implied scum read then drops it. Actually she says that she took that as an effort “broadly discredit” her - which is a major stretch it was literally a meme.

She had also asked kazyan what they thought of her TR on creative and I don’t see a conclusion to the questioning. I don’t like when people ask questions that don’t serve a clear purpose - it feels scummy to me. Also T3 feels like super obvious town to me at this point even before I saw the flip and skitter has them null.

“other than pooky wouldn't be surprised if all the scumz were in the people who haven't posted yet tbh” - this actually pings me as a very scummy statement. Because A) my slot (grif) hasn’t spoken yet and I know I’m town and B) I feel like the other afk slot (meagen) could be town because the mafia where able to do a night kill. Maybe I don’t understand the mechanics of mafia night kills but the site I’m from kills can’t even go through unless both mafias vote. So this to me feels like Skitter pushing afk players which feels very scummy because its a way of gaining the players who will actually votes trust and its a little hard to believe coming from a town because how can you know afk players are scummy? Idk maybe I’m playing into my confirmation bias at this point.

[six pomegranate seeds]

#114 T3 stays with the skitter SR, he doesn’t drop it.

#120 I don’t like creative pushing spooky that much but would a scum team of Skitter and Creative really just openly align together and agree pooky is sus? I’m not sure. In any case creative pushing something that was clearly NAI doesn’t feel that townie here.

#123 I’m just biased towards TRing kazayan because he’s vocalizing the things I’m thinking in my head but he’s actually in the game LOL. I hope he’s actually town.

#132 this actually reads super town in retrospect. And #133 Kazyan could just be playing super well as mafia setting up creative to get the ML d2 but honestly his read feels reasonable to me that there is scum between pooky/creative.

#136 *vomits in my mouth* Pooky if she’s mafia and that’s the note you die on big cringe bro LOL.

#139 Samcro’s counter wagon feels town. He’s felt like obvious town to this point and pookys epic “there were two votes dude lol” comeback feels townie I like samcros impose at this point to pivot. #140 and I love the reason tbh. Creative talks so much and says so little at points.

Just going to ignore my slots posts. Why are you arguing with samcro my man?

#144 “If creative could point to a post and say "this seems like lurking" then maybe his post would have validity, but since he just says people are possibly lurking with no actual merit behind that statement it's just a way to subtly shade an entire group of players. NEXT!” This whole post screams obvious town to me. I love it.

#146 oh meagan was not afk whoops i didn’t see this during the skim. My afk is town because kill went through theory is probably nonsense then.

#147 lol. I honestly don’t mind if people SR my slot for this post. Wtf man LOL. My only defense is that this post and vote is just too scummy to be scum

#151 I know later in game people are saying they think this bravado is fake but it seems just obvious town to me. What mafia on day 1 literally calls another player claimed scum? Walking yourself out of that is basically impossible. And this is coming from a guy who didn’t now how to vote a few days earlier. In my mind I’m willing to lose the game to a scum samcro for time being - he just seems like a town.

#153 This is personal bias, but I have never uttered these words as mafia. “I am town I don’t give a flying **** if you vote me vote that guy next.” I think samcro is just town.

#154 And I really don’t like that Skitter isn’t town reading samcro. I hate when someone who is a smart player disagrees with a read I feel strongly about. I feel like when smart players are trying to push my town reads they tend to be mafia. I also don’t really like skitter TRing my slot EOD could be a TMI TR although I admit on my skim i think I light TR my slot. I am deep in the skitter tunnel at this point, part of me wants to vote skitter now to punish what feels like scum siding on their part. I hope this read is correct or it’ll be hella embarrassing LOL.

#165 This and the series of posts before it from SAMCRO is either SAMCRO in his first game just railing against his genuine sus as town (which is fare more likely imo) or SAMCRMO deciding to openly out as mafia on d1 and hammer someone who he is saying is for sure town when he could barely figure out how to vote beginning of game. I do not believe SAMCRO would do the later their first game as mafia, if he’s mafia I will just lose the game and gj having that much confidence.

[six pomegranate seeds]

#169 Just giving up and saying fine vote me I don’t feel like is a scum response here. He reads big time town to me.

#177 I agree with T3, the idea that samcro is mafia is so far fetched to me and the fact that he died makes me feel good about the read. Imo T3 was a weird kill when I was first skiming so I’m inclined to think his reads were good ones and he died for reading the game correctly.

#183 this reads scum to me too. Skitter had been light scum pushing pooky all day and now is apologizing as if he is guaranteed to flip town? Idk man maybe I am an idiot. And seeing skitter’s EOD reads they have samcro (i think town) > t3 (confirmed town) > griff (I am town) > wheme > creative (i feel scummier than the other players). These reads just feel wrong. Actually skitter left kazayan off idk what that indicates.

#202 I think he’s very misguided tbh.

#208 I love Kazayan’s fear of confirmation bias because that’s exactly what I’m scared of as town reviewing the logs. I think I will just keep him TR for now.

#213 is basically a town slip. Mafia had put their kill through. Idk there is no world I’m voting samcro today. #214 also feels like town slip, mafia would be more aware that we still have one miselim.

#217 This post actually seems a little townie to me. I have trouble with TRing people for being really mad for having a tunnel on them because I only get mad like this as town. I think to me this just makes Skitter a better vote than creative because at least creative had this one good reaction.

#218 I just don’t think a mafia says this.

#223 I feel like it’s normally town who asks for something like this. But I won’t read too much into it.

#224 I don’t like the kazyan is willing to vote samcro here but I like his impulse to vote creative. Idk ill just leave him in the town bin, I’m a little scared of him though.

#227 Oof i really dislike that. If I really think skitter is mafia I kind of doubt creative is the partner. Maybe kazyan could be a deep wolf setting up samcro -> creative MLs.

#242 At least one person in the game agrees with me. I hope town isn’t just eating itself here and mafia can just slide in for easy town credit by pointing out what seems obvious to me. But wheme will be a TR. I think its plausible he survives he night kill as SE because honestly he doesn’t seem to be posting that much. I didn’t like how he said he’s not the kind of player that gets night killed but perhaps that’s true.

#251 maybe creative could just be deep in the omegus idk but samcro seems like a town to me and this all reads as scum siding from creative. I don’t feel like he is mafia together with skitter though.

#258 Interesting thought from skitter. Normally I would be a little more suspicious of my fellow SE if a noob dies over both of us though.

#263 This is maybe the towniest thing skitter has posted all game to me. Don’t think it makes them town though.

#269 I know lots of you disagree but I just don’t think a mafia says that. And if he actually is mafia I think wheme is for sure town no mafia would defend a partner who is suiciding like this.

#276 Skitter feels like an experienced player trying to gaslight a noob who is playing obvious town and has correctly scum read her here.

#279 Maybe the second towniest thing that skitter has posted this game. I’m willing to die on the samcro town hill idc if i make a fool of myself.

#285 funny = town

#287 can kayan low-key be a scum candidate? Not sure lol.

#289 Idk if this is a gambit from creative.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Conclusion/Synthesis:
Town: SAMCRO?? / Kazyan????? / WhemeStar ???
Null: Meagen / Creative???
Scummy: Skitter ???

So I think I’ve really worked myself into a skitter SR. I think her light scumming pooky for NAI stuff then apologizing after he got voted after not defending him at all is scummy. Her asking questions I don’t think really advanced the game state in any way was scummy. I think her pushing on SAMCRO feels like awkward gas lighting SE pushing an obvious town noob player who has correctly sorted her. I think her living over T3 who had SR skitter and TR samcro and then just continuing to blindly tunnel samcro is scummy. Her expressing some second thoughts about samcro scum is the townies thing she’s done so far, but maybe this is just trying to dig herself out of samcro’s tunnel. Her sussing meagan for no reason maybe is a little bit townie, but could be scum trying to TR the present players who will actually vote to avoid being suspected. This is who I would vote today at this point in the game. 

I feel like Creative has been scummy at points in this game for high post volume to low post content ratio and stating obvious info to seem like he is helping town, but his reactions to being sussed so hard by SAMCRO feel more genuine and make me wonder if he can be town. Also he doesn’t seem like a great scum partner for skitter since skitter openly TR him to open the game although admittedly I don’t know if thats the kind of thing skitter would do. So I put him null.

Meagen is impossible to comment on as she has literally said nothing. I wanted to just Outside game information town bin them because I feel like mafia wouldn’t just afk? But thats probably stupid to do lol.

From voting logic i feel like just from the odds there’s probably at least one mafia on the pooky wagon.

PookyTheMagicalBear (5): WhemeStar (town lean), CreativeName (null) , GriffNotGraph (town), SAMCRO (town lean) , T3 (town)

To me creative is probably the most sus person on the wagon but I can’t quite bring myself to vote them right now. Kazyan being off the wagon helps his town case but I’m low key scared he could be a deepwolf because the skitter / Creative solve doesn’t feel totally correct to me.

Tl;dr I want to vote skitter. If skitter is town I’m kind of lost this game but that would probably mean to me that creative is scum with maybe whemstar or kazyan? Kazyan is willing to vote samcro over creative today is actually a little scary but he’s played townie imo so far. If Meagen is mafia it also make sense that my reads are really off because I’ve just ignored them.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Vote: Skitter30

I'm open to changing my mind tbh I don't like to blindly tunnel because I've definitely been wrong in my reads many times but this is where I am at right now.

I'll probably look over the game more and try to think bout the vote order more to see if I could just be missing a kazyan / Whemestar deep wolf cruising to easy town credit in a town that is eating itself but for now I am TRing them.

But I really do think that T3 dying was a super whack kill on my first read through and them TRing Samcro and SRing skitter makes me feel good about my reads at present. When I'm mafia I love to just snipe a guy who sussed me on d1 and barely anyone reviews logs the way I do and everyone just forgets and continues their current tunnels. T3 didn't do anything close to softing PR and he died over the SEs? And Skitter is just TRing their fellow SE in that situation? When I wake up in the AM with a good player at my side my first impulse is "why the hell are you alive?" Seems like a pocket to me.

Anyways sorry if I'm wrong but I'm placing my vote and actually would like to get a good BW on skitter. I understand the game is on pause but I want to see if I read the game correctly lol.

[skitter30]

Oooh ok
Will respond after work/later tonight

[six pomegranate seeds]

I also have a sense that there may be resistance to my push Skitter seems like a player that others will be intimidated from voting especially on day 2 but in my experience when you are town you have to vote with courage and can't just default to easy votes and my read of the game rn is Skitter scum. I may be TRing a mafia at present tbh but its okay. I just get a sinking feeling that voting between creative and samcro right now is exactly how town loses this game and I want to see Skitter flip scum and then go giggling off into the night .

So skitter, did you kill T3 last night because you PR read them or because they sussed you and would have defended against your shit push on Samcro? What's up?

[CreativeName]

"creative is explaining an awful lot of stuff that seems irrelevant to me. Lots of words to explains things that are common sense. But on my skim I didn’t really SR him for these quotes maybe he is just concerned about noobs no voting." I am alsways concerned with people not voting, it's how scum win games

[six pomegranate seeds]

[quote="In post 288, CreativeName"][/quote]

Tbh with you on my prelim ski of the game you weren't really pinging scum to me it's just I ended up TRing the others besides skimmer. This quote from you actually does ping town and you do have some other town quotes tbqh. That's why I said in my reads I cannot bring myself to vote you rightn now because I get a sinking feeling you and sacmro could be town on town and the mafia are strong players.

My major question to you creative is why are you TRing skimmer the most? If you read through my observations how do you disagree?

[six pomegranate seeds]

Also Creative, to me I really cannot bring myself to think that sacmro is mafia. He seems like a new player lashing out in response to being suspected and if you are really town I think you are just caught in the crossfire. You say that new players can fake confidence, I have never seen a new player straight up say you are mafia for sure i don't care if I am voted vote that guy next. If he is mafia I will honestly be very surprised and willing to lose the game. I'd rather go with my reads.

If you weren't to tunnel on samcro, who else would you vote creative?

[CreativeName]

I have seen one of her recent games as scum and she seemed to act different, less serious and more layed back, it's less likely skitter is scum, I feel strongly that it's samcro since pooky did call him out as being "mafia or misguided" and I think samcro is a strong player and not misguided, and sam is pushing skitter hard too, it's unlikely it's a bus so in my eyes samcro is scum and spewed skitter town

If you look samcro was sussing me and skitter when we were not sussing him after he did a full 180 on pooky

If not voting Samcro, wheme is acting unlike an SE or feels like he is trying to draw out a day where town is doing nothing