I will have time to build the Pooky case tomorrow but I will be pissed if I put a bunch of time into it and then you go "lol doesn't matter im mason" because my free time is very limited these days
Pooky - you were in Legends of Hidden Temple, you know that I can back up a case when I promise one. You also know that it takes me a lot of time to put them together, the Agar one took me forever too.
Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.
In post 2608, Prism wrote:Spiffeh, Cakez, you were both interested in bork and wanted more from him.
Do you feel that he failed to deliver with his latest posts? If so, was there anything wrong with them?
meh? they felt like his other posts
I'm not seeing that passion from him it doesn't seem like he wants to interact with anybody
In post 2623, Titus wrote:A chainsaw is when someone attacks the attacker of someone else.
For example, Adam attacks Brian. Charlie then attacks Adam usually for his attack on Brian. That's a chainsaw.
Sometimes a chainsaw is from scum defending a partner but not always. It can and commonly is town defending town.
Catching up now.
A chainsaw defense is where scum
defends a buddy
by attacking their attacker. Because otherwise, attacking someone who is attacking someone else is called
playing a game of mafia.
Because any post that says 'this argument is crappy, what are you doing' is FUCKING PLAYING THE GAME.
This is "reasons for voting are scummy" except fucking serious. Which you realized midway through, because you FUCKING REALIZED THE SAME THING I SAID ABOVE.
In post 2588, Titus wrote:GreyICE is someone I should review. The willing to murder me and chainsaw defense was odd. mastina's play around me was odd. Scum's play around me as a whole was odd.
This is "I read my buddy's ISO and wow I look like shit after that flip."
In post 2622, MathBlade wrote:You can’t seriously be arguing looking outside of Titus after these posts.
Seriously Grey?
When you're right, you're right.
Vote: Titus
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
In post 2626, SirCakez wrote:like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate
Cakez, get out of the tunnel and vote Titus with us.
If you are her scumbuddy, this earns you lots of towncred. Lots and lots of towncred. We promise.
If you're town, well, do you really think she's flipping town? She read Mastina's ISO and is like 'oh crap'
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
In post 2586, Titus wrote:Cakez is not a scumread. It's a PoE if Pooky is town. The votes don't make sense unless one of them is scum. I strongly think it's Pooky.
Titus, what exactly do you mean by this line.
Which votes do not make sense unless one of me and Cake is scum?
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
In post 2625, SirCakez wrote:I will have time to build the Pooky case tomorrow but I will be pissed if I put a bunch of time into it and then you go "lol doesn't matter im mason" because my free time is very limited these days
Pooky - you were in Legends of Hidden Temple, you know that I can back up a case when I promise one. You also know that it takes me a lot of time to put them together, the Agar one took me forever too.
Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.
I wasn't impressed and it was part of why I wanted to revisit him. I don't think they're particularly scummy, though, and from an outside perspective I felt a similar annoyance at you/Pooky, and B_M also had to deal with me/LLD.
In post 2608, Prism wrote:Spiffeh, Cakez, you were both interested in bork and wanted more from him.
Do you feel that he failed to deliver with his latest posts? If so, was there anything wrong with them?
meh? they felt like his other posts
I'm not seeing that passion from him it doesn't seem like he wants to interact with anybody
This is really lazy imo and not really engaging with the content of bork's posts or the assertions he's made. The only one I've seen people take issue with was bork's skepticism of the mastina wagon and how he didn't rigorously go after it like a dog; I think he very much acted in accordance with that read and that not doing so more doggedly is a result of time constraint.
Him not wanting to interact with anybody is an eh point to begin with imo-he has been less explicitly cooperative, but has been extremely quick to call BS indiscriminately-but even if it were true it's a big +town flag, not a +scum one.
Still maintain it’s possibly a case of Cakez + Titus if Titus is scum here.
It makes sense the way she was railing on Pooky then bailed when I proposed you as a mason.
If she really thought that was the right wagon she’d have looked at Cakez or Dunn or questioned her initial assumption and assumed a mass pile on of Mastina.
She’s just not logically sound here.
This also matches my theory Mastina wasn’t white knighting and was trying to Save Titus.
I really think a majority of the scum were wagoned on D1.
It’s going to be a matter of finding that third because it would likely be a deep wolf and not a DGB. Someone universally townread like a Spiffeh Bell or GreyICE or Prism. Scum weren’t defeatist and they were posting so a DGB scum doesn’t really make sense there but if we have Titus scum then we can circle back but I don’t think Titus scum bussed DGB here
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I need to post less atm, so I'm going to step back for awhile, and I really want to hear from two players in particular: LLD and Tammy. While some independent thought is still happening atm, I don't like the amount of thread/conversational control I've had lately and I'm very much at a loss on several slots (Titus I go back and forth on but lean town, her reads though are truly awful imo)
The exception is that I am now very comfortable with my Grey vote. I'm going to leave him alone for a bit longer, partially because I want to see where this goes and partially to doublecheck, but there are other ways to make this happen even if I can't directly force a vote through: Namely, utilizing investigatives to apply mechanical pressure.
In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:Still maintain it’s possibly a case of Cakez + Titus if Titus is scum here.
It makes sense the way she was railing on Pooky then bailed when I proposed you as a mason.
If she really thought that was the right wagon she’d have looked at Cakez or Dunn or questioned her initial assumption and assumed a mass pile on of Mastina.
She’s just not logically sound here.
This also matches my theory Mastina wasn’t white knighting and was trying to Save Titus.
I really think a majority of the scum were wagoned on D1.
It’s going to be a matter of finding that third because it would likely be a deep wolf and not a DGB. Someone universally townread like a Spiffeh Bell or GreyICE or Prism. Scum weren’t defeatist and they were posting so a DGB scum doesn’t really make sense there but if we have Titus scum then we can circle back but I don’t think Titus scum bussed DGB here
1) There's confirmed 4 scum
2) Don't count out hero playing. One of the better scum performances I've seen was out of Slaxx when he lost both his buddies D1/N1 and went on to live to Day 4 as a solo mafia goon vs 9 townies with power roles, and give a pretty amazing showing of himself when he was getting POE yeeted (of the "well this is where I'd look for the final scum" type of effort posts). Some people rise to the occasion.
That being said, a day 1+day 2 scumlynch if pretty hard to lose from if it's not multiball. Even if they have 4. I'm feeling pretty good rn
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.
1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?
In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.
3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:
The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280
It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.
In post 2637, Prism wrote:Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.
1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?
In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.
3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:
The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280
It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.
1) What. English motherfucker.
2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki
3) You need to link to a post my dude.
Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?
PEDIT:
Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)
With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.
Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (4): sangres, Prism, SirCakez, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Kitty Trauma Team, Dunnstral, Titus
Not voting (2): Tammy, borkjerfkin
Mod notes: 51/85 pages used
Oh wow. Just saw this. I doubt Prism and Cakez are scum together based off this VC. Probably Sangres, Cakez, (Tammy/bork), (Grey/quiet).
The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280
It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.
EBWOP, kind of important to include the actual post.
Let’s assume you’re right on Titus being white knighted.
Let’s assume that you Pooky and I are also town (which IMHO is pretty evident).
This leaves Dunn as the only possible scum on Cakez.
That’s quite literally it.
Titus town pretty much proves Cakez scum.
Yet she doesn’t even think about that so she’s probably scum with Cakez.
The alternative is scum when they had an easy miselim on Titus sitting around for a while intentionally bussed Mastina if you think Cakez and Titus are both town and that to me is laughable.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2637, Prism wrote:Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.
1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?
In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.
3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:
The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280
It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.
1) What. English motherfucker.
2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki
3) You need to link to a post my dude.
Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?
PEDIT:
Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.
Echo chamber
Titus or Cakez today.
IDGAF which. Far as I am concerned Titus Cakez Prism looking spicy
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Titus, Mathblade. This is our guaranteed scumflip. Our vig can shoot Cakez if he's such a concern, I don't even care anymore. It'd be a damn sight better than trying to hero vig Nacho. Our vig can shoot Quiet.
I think there's quite a few names being left off the list but right now I just want a goddamn red flip.
P.S. If you're reading my ISO because I'm dead, Math is not confirmed town. I'm starting to like him for town, but that's no reason he gets to live forever.
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
This sentence was gramatically correct and unambiguous, but perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term "spewing". I am not sure if it is on the Wiki for you to look up. I am asking why there was no followup on your end to the thought presented in 1532.
In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?
I haven't flipped scum in my entire time onsite, actually. There's also good reason to believe Titus would remember mastina's posts quite well, but this entire push is very tenuous and intentionally blind imo, capitalizing instead on Titus playing poorly and painting over with a bit of creativity
This sentence was gramatically correct and unambiguous, but perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term "spewing". I am not sure if it is on the Wiki for you to look up. I am asking why there was no followup on your end to the thought presented in 1532.
In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?
I haven't flipped scum in my entire time onsite, actually. There's also good reason to believe Titus would remember mastina's posts quite well, but this entire push is very tenuous and intentionally blind imo, capitalizing instead on Titus playing poorly and painting over with a bit of creativity
In post 2642, GreyICE wrote:Titus, Mathblade. This is our guaranteed scumflip. Our vig can shoot Cakez if he's such a concern, I don't even care anymore. It'd be a damn sight better than trying to hero vig Nacho. Our vig can shoot Quiet.
I think there's quite a few names being left off the list but right now I just want a goddamn red flip.
P.S. If you're reading my ISO because I'm dead, Math is not confirmed town. I'm starting to like him for town, but that's no reason he gets to live forever.
Interesting you say it’s a guaranteed scum flip here.
Titus is my top scumread but she’s been pretty bad the past few games. Cakez is my second.
By PoE she’s the top one. If it wasn’t because of wagon shit I would probably be on Cakez.
There’s possible worlds she is town but it’s so minuscule and she’s not even trying to hunt or listen I am beyond the point of caring. Linking me v Titus as guaranteed one scum doesn’t make sense at all.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
