Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[Andante]

One thing I don't get though, skitter and Creative are voting SAM, would both maf partners vote together???

[CreativeName]

Not true at all. Pooky's dying words were literally you are mafia or misguided. I took very close notice of that, you even quoted the exact words in an earlier response to me.

Hence why I paraphrased as probably, meaning maybe scum not definately scum, this seems a hard defend on samcro, who baring in mind was 100% on pooky being town and 10000% on me being scum which no town is ever that confident in their reads, if you were that confident why do they need to play newbie games and surely that would point to it not being their first game overall (in other places), and which you said it was SAMCRO's first game earlier. either their reads are completely fabricated and they just put on the confident bravado to push the miselims and you're hard defending a scum, or it's not their first game and they know what they're doing and so could be a very convincing wolf

[Andante]

Hey Creative, can we interact? What about Grif did you TR?


Personally, I SRed like #142 #147 like, Grif entered went "that's so bold!!" and that's about all that was said, so you had said you TRed the slot. I'm curious

[CreativeName]

Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

I have no idea how you went from TRing my slot to retroactively saying my slot was scummy on D1 when the only new info was that now I had you towards the scummier end of the game on my reads and provided infinitely more than my predecessor.

I also do not appreciate being told that my reads are bad, regardless of whether they are wrong or not. It is obnoxious to do so - although in my experience when someone tells me my reads are bad and are obnoxious or rude they tend to be town.

your demeinor, also you seem to hard defend samcro who is in my eyes scum, griff was not active so I kinda town leaned him because he seemed vaguely solvey but i did think it was suspicious to BW on pooky just because, also it's strange that T3 died when he was mostly low activity which hints at maybe a newbie team who don't know that ia is good for town, and if it wasn't samcro why am I still alive? because mafia without me could easily kill me and pin it on samcro.

Also text walls to me are a "I am posting this for town points" usually they slow down town who have to read it all and are filled with fluff and filler text. They also usually repeat info to make people look more/less scummy/towny than they actually have been acting

I know I am town, hopefully when samcro flips scum or I flip town, town will see that the only really logical scum choice is samcro

[six pomegranate seeds]

Newbie 2055

I have just joined this game I do not have the same sense of time that you do, I've not really been paying attention to what day certain things happen. It seems like a townslip to me because if you were mafia submitting your night kill to kill someone how would you have forgotten the game was going on? You literally had to have done your night action just a little bit prior. I admit I have not looked at time stamps in my reasoning. But if the night kill was completed on 3/5 and samcro's first response to the day phase starting is "I forgot about this game" he's either a mafia intentionally trying to pretend he didn't just do a night action or he is a simply a town who forgot about the game because he's actually VT as he claimd frame 1 and did not have a night action. I assume the night action took place over the course of 3/2-3/5 according to time stamps its understandable a VT may forget about the game. It's not a 100% townnslip but I think it's more likely it was a VT forgetting the game was happening during night phase than a malicious mafia lying about doing a night action to hopefully gain town credit - which is nigh impossible for a mafia to predict I am going to join the game and point that out.

[Andante]

Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

I have no idea how you went from TRing my slot to retroactively saying my slot was scummy on D1 when the only new info was that now I had you towards the scummier end of the game on my reads and provided infinitely more than my predecessor.

I also do not appreciate being told that my reads are bad, regardless of whether they are wrong or not. It is obnoxious to do so - although in my experience when someone tells me my reads are bad and are obnoxious or rude they tend to be town.

your demeinor, also you seem to hard defend samcro who is in my eyes scum, griff was not active so I kinda town leaned him because he seemed vaguely solvey but i did think it was suspicious to BW on pooky just because, also it's strange that T3 died when he was mostly low activity which hints at maybe a newbie team who don't know that ia is good for town, and if it wasn't samcro why am I still alive? because mafia without me could easily kill me and pin it on samcro.

Also text walls to me are a "I am posting this for town points" usually they slow down town who have to read it all and are filled with fluff and filler text. They also usually repeat info to make people look more/less scummy/towny than they actually have been acting

I know I am town, hopefully when samcro flips scum or I flip town, town will see that the only really logical scum choice is samcro

So what happens when Sam flips town? You keep ignoring me... I'm pretty certain on skitter/you/seeds, kinda just trying to figure out the town in it, I almost feel like you and seeds right now are partners? idk. you're just ignoring me and only paying attention to seeds, a bit weird in my opinion, considering, you said you TRed seeds's slot before, and there was nothing to read my slot from

[six pomegranate seeds]

Not true at all. Pooky's dying words were literally you are mafia or misguided. I took very close notice of that, you even quoted the exact words in an earlier response to me.

Hence why I paraphrased as probably, meaning maybe scum not definately scum, this seems a hard defend on samcro, who baring in mind was 100% on pooky being town and 10000% on me being scum which no town is ever that confident in their reads, if you were that confident why do they need to play newbie games and surely that would point to it not being their first game overall (in other places), and which you said it was SAMCRO's first game earlier. either their reads are completely fabricated and they just put on the confident bravado to push the miselims and you're hard defending a scum, or it's not their first game and they know what they're doing and so could be a very convincing wolf

People who are new actually tend to have way more confidence as town because they have no sense of their own falibility. Like the dunning kruger effect, people with low ability can't appreciate their low ability and are overconfident. That is what makes the most sense to me in this situation because so many other things about Samcro seem town.

I am absolutely hard defending samcro, I am town and I think he is town and this vote is wasted on him. I can review skimmers logs in the game you have provided.

[CreativeName]

Hey Creative, can we interact? What about Grif did you TR?


Personally, I SRed like #142 #147 like, Grif entered went "that's so bold!!" and that's about all that was said, so you had said you TRed the slot. I'm curious

It was more of an idk but you're definitely not null, and I thought why ask questions in main chat if you have scum buddies to ask?

But every other action when I re read it seemed scummy

Currently my new list looks like

Pooky, T3, Me all lock town

Skitter - town read, lock town if samcro flips scum

Megan/Andante - Town lean - sort of solvey

Kayzan - Null - possibly just a town who is being pocketed by scum

Wheme - Scum leaning Null - seems more null now I have read seed's posts and wheme's following posts, idk why they're hard defending samcro

Seeds - Scum Lean - Hard defending sam, and what I said about the teaxt wall, it just doesn't look townish

SAMCRO - scum, I'm sorry but the only thing that will prove samcro is not scum to my is him flipping town, this is the most anti-town play I have seen


Also skitter/seeds is possible, but if so sam has acted super anti town as a town, skitter did TR griff on a low basis, but like I said asking questions in main chat is a townping for me

[six pomegranate seeds]

Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

I have no idea how you went from TRing my slot to retroactively saying my slot was scummy on D1 when the only new info was that now I had you towards the scummier end of the game on my reads and provided infinitely more than my predecessor.

I also do not appreciate being told that my reads are bad, regardless of whether they are wrong or not. It is obnoxious to do so - although in my experience when someone tells me my reads are bad and are obnoxious or rude they tend to be town.

your demeinor, also you seem to hard defend samcro who is in my eyes scum, griff was not active so I kinda town leaned him because he seemed vaguely solvey but i did think it was suspicious to BW on pooky just because, also it's strange that T3 died when he was mostly low activity which hints at maybe a newbie team who don't know that ia is good for town, and if it wasn't samcro why am I still alive? because mafia without me could easily kill me and pin it on samcro.

Also text walls to me are a "I am posting this for town points" usually they slow down town who have to read it all and are filled with fluff and filler text. They also usually repeat info to make people look more/less scummy/towny than they actually have been acting

I know I am town, hopefully when samcro flips scum or I flip town, town will see that the only really logical scum choice is samcro

So what happens when Sam flips town? You keep ignoring me... I'm pretty certain on skitter/you/seeds, kinda just trying to figure out the town in it, I almost feel like you and seeds right now are partners? idk. you're just ignoring me and only paying attention to seeds, a bit weird in my opinion, considering, you said you TRed seeds's slot before, and there was nothing to read my slot from

I agree with you that my slot could easily appear scummy from d1 alone. But do you think it makes sense that if you think that skimmer is mafia they would TR my slot for doing almost nothing on d1? And I am the one who came into this day hard pushing skimmer when everyone else thought they were town?

You say that the game should be auto from my POV, but as I have stated in my previous statements, I am unsure that the Creative/Skimmer solve fits together nicely. I can review their interactions on d1 but when I'm mafia I don't normally openly TR my own mafia very early d1 like skimmer did to creative.

I also think that creative calling me bad at reads is a little town pinging because people who are rude tend to be townspeople imo but this is a bad habit of mine because it rewards mafia for being obnoxious and makes the game worse.

Also lol at you guys trying to pair me with skitter, okay then vote her . But in all honesty lets let her talk before I get too high on the kool aid of feeling like I'm right.

Creative is basically just omgussing me for trying to gamesolve and putting him in the scum lean bean. Andante is solvey but I am just posting paragraphs

[six pomegranate seeds]

One thing I don't get though, skitter and Creative are voting SAM, would both maf partners vote together???

This is exactly why I am unsatisfied with the Creative/Skitter scum team and am open to other solves. Skitter TR creative early and they both make an identical scumcase on SAM in the day chat. Seems like they wouldn't do that as partners.

[CreativeName]

Not true at all. Pooky's dying words were literally you are mafia or misguided. I took very close notice of that, you even quoted the exact words in an earlier response to me.

Hence why I paraphrased as probably, meaning maybe scum not definately scum, this seems a hard defend on samcro, who baring in mind was 100% on pooky being town and 10000% on me being scum which no town is ever that confident in their reads, if you were that confident why do they need to play newbie games and surely that would point to it not being their first game overall (in other places), and which you said it was SAMCRO's first game earlier. either their reads are completely fabricated and they just put on the confident bravado to push the miselims and you're hard defending a scum, or it's not their first game and they know what they're doing and so could be a very convincing wolf

People who are new actually tend to have way more confidence as town because they have no sense of their own falibility. Like the dunning kruger effect, people with low ability can't appreciate their low ability and are overconfident. That is what makes the most sense to me in this situation because so many other things about Samcro seem town.

I am absolutely hard defending samcro, I am town and I think he is town and this vote is wasted on him. I can review skimmers logs in the game you have provided.

I have seen first time scum overconfident in false reads/info as they don't realise the repercussions of their actions, like samcro lynching me and me flipping town means he'll be lynched

I am prepaired for samcro to flip town and will let you vote me if he does, I am prepared to accept that I as town let town lose as my reads were not good enough, I also do not 100& think samcro is scum more like a cool 70-80%

[Andante]

Hey Creative, can we interact? What about Grif did you TR?


Personally, I SRed like #142 #147 like, Grif entered went "that's so bold!!" and that's about all that was said, so you had said you TRed the slot. I'm curious

It was more of an idk but you're definitely not null, and I thought why ask questions in main chat if you have scum buddies to ask?

But every other action when I re read it seemed scummy

Currently my new list looks like

Pooky, T3, Me all lock town

Skitter - town read, lock town if samcro flips scum

Megan/Andante - Town lean - sort of solvey

Kayzan - Null - possibly just a town who is being pocketed by scum

Wheme - Scum leaning Null - seems more null now I have read seed's posts and wheme's following posts, idk why they're hard defending samcro

Seeds - Scum Lean - Hard defending sam, and what I said about the teaxt wall, it just doesn't look townish

SAMCRO - scum, I'm sorry but the only thing that will prove samcro is not scum to my is him flipping town, this is the most anti-town play I have seen


Also skitter/seeds is possible, but if so sam has acted super anti town as a town, skitter did TR griff on a low basis, but like I said asking questions in main chat is a townping for me

Ok, makes sense. Seeds is scum just because he's hard defending Sam? I mean, Sam is one of my rock solid TRs. Kaz null? Kaz had a lot of action early on, you have a lot of null/scum leaning, you do realize there's only 2 maf? I also just entered, yet you have me as a town lean, vs Wheme who has been "sort of solvey" all game?

idk, your reads list here dosn't feel like you're actively trying to find scum. Skitter - "locktown if sam maf" these aren't feeling too genuine to me!! I just read the whole game and have a pool of 3 people I'm 99% sure mafia is in, yet you seem to be avoiding pushing on anyone but sam?

[six pomegranate seeds]

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Interested in reading it? You can find it at Project Gutenberg.

CreativeName

(2): SAMCRO, Kazyan

SAMCRO

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

skitter30

(1): six pomegranate seeds

Not Voting

(2): Andante, WhemeStar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Revised deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

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Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

[CreativeName]

Hey Creative, can we interact? What about Grif did you TR?


Personally, I SRed like #142 #147 like, Grif entered went "that's so bold!!" and that's about all that was said, so you had said you TRed the slot. I'm curious

It was more of an idk but you're definitely not null, and I thought why ask questions in main chat if you have scum buddies to ask?

But every other action when I re read it seemed scummy

Currently my new list looks like

Pooky, T3, Me all lock town

Skitter - town read, lock town if samcro flips scum

Megan/Andante - Town lean - sort of solvey

Kayzan - Null - possibly just a town who is being pocketed by scum

Wheme - Scum leaning Null - seems more null now I have read seed's posts and wheme's following posts, idk why they're hard defending samcro

Seeds - Scum Lean - Hard defending sam, and what I said about the teaxt wall, it just doesn't look townish

SAMCRO - scum, I'm sorry but the only thing that will prove samcro is not scum to my is him flipping town, this is the most anti-town play I have seen


Also skitter/seeds is possible, but if so sam has acted super anti town as a town, skitter did TR griff on a low basis, but like I said asking questions in main chat is a townping for me

Ok, makes sense. Seeds is scum just because he's hard defending Sam? I mean, Sam is one of my rock solid TRs. Kaz null? Kaz had a lot of action early on, you have a lot of null/scum leaning, you do realize there's only 2 maf? I also just entered, yet you have me as a town lean, vs Wheme who has been "sort of solvey" all game?

idk, your reads list here dosn't feel like you're actively trying to find scum. Skitter - "locktown if sam maf" these aren't feeling too genuine to me!! I just read the whole game and have a pool of 3 people I'm 99% sure mafia is in, yet you seem to be avoiding pushing on anyone but sam?

Well I have 2 null as I could see them flip either way still, also you are townread as you seem genuine town in my eyes, IDK why SAM is town read but it must be different experiences because Lik I have said I have seen scum who don't consider the repercussions of their fake reads, you may not have seen that

[Andante]

open to other solves. Skitter TR creative early and they both make an identical scumcase on SAM in the day chat. Seems like they wouldn't do that as partners.

I don't think we're going to find the solve today, and I'm perfectly ok with that. I would like to see Kaz return, they had a strong start then kinda fell off the radar I think. idk, skitter only has 2 votes on, so I'm not super worried. The T3 death was super weird to me based on that d1, idkkk I have a lot of mixed feelings right now, the plan is to just fake it till I make it, but SAM is my strongest TR and Creative's strongest SR, so like.... idk what to think there, what is scummy about sam that I missed? I loved #144 for Sam, that struck me as town and #269 I definitely agreed with, like I had the exact same reads at that point.

[Andante]

Creative, please convince me/ share with me why you believe SAM scum

[six pomegranate seeds]

So my issue with Seeds is I always townread wall posts for 0 reason so I basically townread seeds but I also share very similar reads with seeds, I would probalby change skitter's/creatives spot

Lol sorry, it was the only way for me to process so much information in one setting. What is your read on skitter and creative so far, could I ask you to elaborate?

[CreativeName]

Vote Count 2-4

The planet Mars has inspired fictional accounts since before the term "science fiction" existed. One of the first novels about the planet was "Across the Zodiac", by Percy Greg, published in 1880. Greg is also known as an originator of a genre of fiction called Sword and Planet. In the novel, an unnamed narrator flew his ship, the Astronaut, to Mars using an anti-gravitational energy called apergy. The planet was inhabited by a race of diminutive beings who believed there was no life elsewhere in the universe, beyond their own planet. The novel also featured an alien language -- possibly the first of its kind.

Interested in reading it? You can find it at Project Gutenberg.

CreativeName

(2): SAMCRO, Kazyan

SAMCRO

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

skitter30

(1): six pomegranate seeds

Not Voting

(2): Andante, WhemeStar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Revised deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

Why did you quote the mod message?

Also I noticed you are getting one or two names wrong and it's very confusing

You're calling Skitter, "Skimmer" and Pooky, "Spooky". It gets confusing on what you mean, it may also show a lack of interest as you apparently read everything so how would you not notice two actives names and end up keep spelling them wrong, did you not notice everyone is referring tho them by different names to what you are?

[Andante]

So uhh I SR seeds for exactly the reason Creative just pointed out too, seeds + skitter maf? and seeds is potentially just saying skitter's name wrong on purpose to "distance" like seeds is literally voting skitter... you know the name...

[CreativeName]

Creative, please convince me/ share with me why you believe SAM scum

Town would know it is not a good idea to vote your townread that you are 100% lock towning let alone put them at E-1 to "prove a point" to me it seemed like a SAMCRO scum trying to get an easy miselim on pooky when he noticed pooky was at E-2 and people were on and would probably vote.

He has also been tunnelling, me and skitter all game and has produced no reads despite us two being the scum team at a 10000% accuracy

also asking if town can afford a miselim when apparently he knows both mafia to me says "If who I vote today is not mafia will I be lynched tomorrow and cpst me and my scum team the game or will I instantly be guaranteed to win?", you don't need to ask if we can risk a miselim if you are 100000% confident you have found both scum

[Kazyan]

Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

You know what, yeah. The way you put it, the actual

intent

of that post is scummy, even if the

wording

looked towny to me. Good eye. This must be why my gutreads suck--I'm not considering the reasons why people do the things they do, rather than their language.

At the moment, my solve is either Creative/Skitter or Creative/Seeds (your review masterposts looked kinda town, but I can see how they'd align with an agenda). That said, this is suddenly a lot of heat that is being pointed at Skitter, so if she flips town, I'm gonna be unhappy with how this narrative was built.

[CreativeName]

Also I will be disappointed if one of the flavour bits when we get our vote count is not about mars bars

[Andante]

Creative, please convince me/ share with me why you believe SAM scum

Town would know it is not a good idea to vote your townread that you are 100% lock towning let alone put them at E-1 to "prove a point" to me it seemed like a SAMCRO scum trying to get an easy miselim on pooky when he noticed pooky was at E-2 and people were on and would probably vote.

He has also been tunnelling, me and skitter all game and has produced no reads despite us two being the scum team at a 10000% accuracy

also asking if town can afford a miselim when apparently he knows both mafia to me says "If who I vote today is not mafia will I be lynched tomorrow and cpst me and my scum team the game or will I instantly be guaranteed to win?", you don't need to ask if we can risk a miselim if you are 100000% confident you have found both scum

Alright, fair fair, but 1 thing, on what planet would a newbie think Pooky was an easy elim? I didn't exactly look at timing with the votes on Pooky, but If Pooky was E-2, I know I would assume, "oh, if I vote, people are going to unvote" Pooky wasn't super towny though. Post #55 from you really felt like you had TMI

I think I would agree with you asking about the miselim is sus after things SAM said, but sam also decided to insta claim, so like, that tells you SAM is not super pro, idk, I feel like you have tunnel vision or whatever here, and are only conf biasing yourself with this read. Have you thought about the other scum?

[Andante]

Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

You know what, yeah. The way you put it, the actual

intent

of that post is scummy, even if the

wording

looked towny to me. Good eye. This must be why my gutreads suck--I'm not considering the reasons why people do the things they do, rather than their language.

At the moment, my solve is either Creative/Skitter or Creative/Seeds (your review masterposts looked kinda town, but I can see how they'd align with an agenda). That said, this is suddenly a lot of heat that is being pointed at Skitter, so if she flips town, I'm gonna be unhappy with how this narrative was built.

You want to vote skitter, but it sounds like you know skitter is flipping town... " so if she flips town, I'm gonna be unhappy with how this narrative was built."
Do you have an actual reason you're sus of skitter, or are you going to blame someone else if we vote out town!skitter?? I'm kinda sus of you right now, not gonna lie


VOTE: no one

[Andante]

My issue with reading is like, if one of yall have the exact same read as me, I want to insta TR it then I have the whole conf bias thing. idk, I can't wait to meet skitter

I find it interesting seeds never commented on calling skitter the wrong thing, well after they referred to skitter as skitter...