Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[CreativeName]

Creative, please convince me/ share with me why you believe SAM scum

Town would know it is not a good idea to vote your townread that you are 100% lock towning let alone put them at E-1 to "prove a point" to me it seemed like a SAMCRO scum trying to get an easy miselim on pooky when he noticed pooky was at E-2 and people were on and would probably vote.

He has also been tunnelling, me and skitter all game and has produced no reads despite us two being the scum team at a 10000% accuracy

also asking if town can afford a miselim when apparently he knows both mafia to me says "If who I vote today is not mafia will I be lynched tomorrow and cpst me and my scum team the game or will I instantly be guaranteed to win?", you don't need to ask if we can risk a miselim if you are 100000% confident you have found both scum

Alright, fair fair, but 1 thing, on what planet would a newbie think Pooky was an easy elim? I didn't exactly look at timing with the votes on Pooky, but If Pooky was E-2, I know I would assume, "oh, if I vote, people are going to unvote" Pooky wasn't super towny though. Post #55 from you really felt like you had TMI

I think I would agree with you asking about the miselim is sus after things SAM said, but sam also decided to insta claim, so like, that tells you SAM is not super pro, idk, I feel like you have tunnel vision or whatever here, and are only conf biasing yourself with this read. Have you thought about the other scum?

I think if sam is scum it's one of wheme or seeds, but I am open to a skitter/seeds group, however I am at a point here unvoting now is suicide, but on your first point, there were a few people looking like they were going to vote pooky, if sam timed it right like happened there was no time to unvote before pooky was hammered

[six pomegranate seeds]

Newbie 2055

I read this iso, she subbed in in like the endgame almost and the only gameplay was fake claiming cop. In this game her starting from the beginning it would be very different regardless of aligment. Also she wasn't laid back at all in this game she comes into the game fake claiming cop with a red check its her very first post. So I don't agree with this laid back thing as a meta read from the evidence I have so far.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Vote Count 2-4

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CreativeName

(2): SAMCRO, Kazyan

SAMCRO

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

skitter30

(1): six pomegranate seeds

Not Voting

(2): Andante, WhemeStar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Revised deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

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Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

Why did you quote the mod message?

Also I noticed you are getting one or two names wrong and it's very confusing

You're calling Skitter, "Skimmer" and Pooky, "Spooky". It gets confusing on what you mean, it may also show a lack of interest as you apparently read everything so how would you not notice two actives names and end up keep spelling them wrong, did you not notice everyone is referring tho them by different names to what you are?

Lol big deal the spooky thing is autocorrect I just forgot Skitter's name this is my first time meeting any of you. It's laughable to say I am disinterested I've posted a ton today.

Also the idea that any of you are pairing me with Skitter right now is just major lols. "Unvoting here is suicide" changing your mind and looking for mafia is actually quite townie, idk what you think.

Anyway I don't think I'll make much more progress until skitter comes back and we can chat and I'll try to get a sense if I still think she's scum.

[CreativeName]

Vote Count 2-4

The planet Mars has inspired fictional accounts since before the term "science fiction" existed. One of the first novels about the planet was "Across the Zodiac", by Percy Greg, published in 1880. Greg is also known as an originator of a genre of fiction called Sword and Planet. In the novel, an unnamed narrator flew his ship, the Astronaut, to Mars using an anti-gravitational energy called apergy. The planet was inhabited by a race of diminutive beings who believed there was no life elsewhere in the universe, beyond their own planet. The novel also featured an alien language -- possibly the first of its kind.

Interested in reading it? You can find it at Project Gutenberg.

CreativeName

(2): SAMCRO, Kazyan

SAMCRO

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

skitter30

(1): six pomegranate seeds

Not Voting

(2): Andante, WhemeStar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Revised deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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Its ok kazayan. You can call me seeds! I admit you could be right that creative is scum, but I'd rather vote skimmer first. Idk maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you agree that SAM is probably town doesn't post 207 look scummy to you? But I admit skimmer later backed off a little bit when SAM said he would get everyone to agree to go creative -> Skimmer.

Why did you quote the mod message?

Also I noticed you are getting one or two names wrong and it's very confusing

You're calling Skitter, "Skimmer" and Pooky, "Spooky". It gets confusing on what you mean, it may also show a lack of interest as you apparently read everything so how would you not notice two actives names and end up keep spelling them wrong, did you not notice everyone is referring tho them by different names to what you are?

Lol big deal the spooky thing is autocorrect I just forgot Skitter's name this is my first time meeting any of you. It's laughable to say I am disinterested I've posted a ton today.

Also the idea that any of you are pairing me with Skitter right now is just major lols. "Unvoting here is suicide" changing your mind and looking for mafia is actually quite townie, idk what you think.

Anyway I don't think I'll make much more progress until skitter comes back and we can chat and I'll try to get a sense if I still think she's scum.

By suicide I mean I'll be lynched, I can't unvote safely without being top candidate

[six pomegranate seeds]

My issue with reading is like, if one of yall have the exact same read as me, I want to insta TR it then I have the whole conf bias thing. idk, I can't wait to meet skitter

I find it interesting seeds never commented on calling skitter the wrong thing, well after they referred to skitter as skitter...

If you seriously think that me forgetting some random person's name by one letter and autocorrect making pooky spooky makes me scum then thats legit funny Also my keyboard is messed up so I've been having a lot of typos recently because I have to reclick on the letters a lot. I spilled some stuff on the keyboard.

[CreativeName]

What autocorrect do you have on your desktop? most autocorrect is mobile devices not pc/laptop and if they have it it's in applications like word, not on a forum on a browser?

[six pomegranate seeds]

My issue with reading is like, if one of yall have the exact same read as me, I want to insta TR it then I have the whole conf bias thing. idk, I can't wait to meet skitter

I find it interesting seeds never commented on calling skitter the wrong thing, well after they referred to skitter as skitter...

Also just FYI I do have other things I have to do besides play this game - me answering your questions instantly is not scummy I'm doing other stuff. I have a few days off from work but my activity is going to drop dramatically when work starts again. Overall I have a good chunk of free time over these next two weeks.

This is also why I'm reserved on the skimmer vote because I'd like to talk to her when she comes home from work before I make any final decision. Also it's interesting you decided to unvote.

[Kazyan]

You want to vote skitter, but it sounds like you know skitter is flipping town... " so if she flips town, I'm gonna be unhappy with how this narrative was built."
Do you have an actual reason you're sus of skitter, or are you going to blame someone else if we vote out town!skitter?? I'm kinda sus of you right now, not gonna lie


VOTE: no one

That's fair suspicion; I was cagey in my response. To clarify, my finger of suspicion is pointed at Skitter because Seeds provided me with a good scumcase on her: she's trying to kick out what I now see as a strong townread, and a Creative/Skitter team is completely consistent with both players' actions through this game. Logically, a vote against Skitter makes sense. But on the other hand, it doesn't make nearly as much sense as a Creative vote. I'm like 80% sure Creative is Mafia at this point, and the chance of finding the other scum in a pool of four others (excluding SAMCRO) is a lot slimmer. This is where I differ from Seeds: whereas he has a bad feeling that voting within Creatve/SAMCRO is how town loses, I see that if a Mafia member

is

in there, wouldn't they want to deflect as much heat as possible?

[six pomegranate seeds]

What autocorrect do you have on your desktop? most autocorrect is mobile devices not pc/laptop and if they have it it's in applications like word, not on a forum on a browser?

I type a lot of my posts into notes on my laptop before i post and pooky autocorrects to spooky, idk why this is so pivotal to your reads tbh.

[Kazyan]

Wait, crap lmao we didn't have a single vote outside of the SAMCRO/Creative deadlock up until you guys came in. Mafia can't be trying to deflect. Damn, now that I put my thoughts into words, I realize that I'm freaking out over nothing

[skitter30]

guys i'll be here shortly but 2055 is still ongoing and it's very, very, very illegal to talk about it since the game isn't over yet

[six pomegranate seeds]

guys i'll be here shortly but 2055 is still ongoing and it's very, very, very illegal to talk about it since the game isn't over yet

Okay very sorry, didn't know it was incomplete and was unaware of the rules.

[WhemeStar]

@andante you can use UNVOTE: [./UV] tags to unvote someone

UNVOTE:

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Will catch up after I’m done working

[WhemeStar]

@andante you can use UNVOTE: [./UV] tags to unvote someone



Example on what it looks like

Will catch up after I’m done working

[WhemeStar]

Oh my fucking god I just fucked up so bad LOL

[WhemeStar]

I need to get off my phone I’m so sorryp

[skitter30]

i want to respond to a few select notes, and then comment on the scumread as a whole:

Spoiler:

#27 this mildly leans scum to me. I don’t like when people ask questions that seemingly serve no purpose to finding scum, especially if it is an SE doing it. #34 implies that skitter was going to use clearly NAI memeing / or the fear votes of a now confirmed townie as a way to alignment read them, which I think leans scummy. If someone does that to me I disregard it as meaningless and look for other clues. #43 So skitter implies she SRs pooky for literal jokes - this looks very bad in hindsight knowing that pooky is town. On my initial skim pooky did not seem that townie, but SRing for RVS memeing doesn’t feel good to me

- i dislike how you're handwaving away the question in 27 as a 'question that seemingly serve

no purpose to finding scum' as i *was* using that question to try to get pooky to engage with me in a more 'real' way and thus try to determine if he's scum

- similarly, i have a long and storied history of playign with pooky, and i disagree that the meme-ing was nai, and although he did actually flip town here i can very easily taking a similar tactic as scum

- if you agree that he didn't look that townie thus far i don't fully understand the reasons you dislike me questioning his alignment there

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#52 maybe there is context here then that I am missing. #53 / #54 I think my bias towards skitter being scum makes me feel better about kazayn being townie if skitter is mafia i feel like kazayan is probably a town from that early TR. Idk if skitter is a player who would defend their mafia.

there is a lot of context that your'e missing, yes

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#83 T3 SR skitter - this is super townie move from our dead jail keeper jumping into the game with a SR Actually this makes me feel really good about SRing skitter given T3 will later die as the night kill and I didn’t see any PR softs on my skim. I think in the average game SEs would die before a newbie lie T3 so it makes me think skitter is scummy.

i mean, possibly, i hadn't particularly noticed any jk vibes from t3 either. i do agree it's an odd kill, and i'm not sure why ti was made.
from my pov at least i dont' think it's an indictment on the se's since i know i'm town and i'm p sure wheme is as well (and i'm not sure wheme kills t3 there either)

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#109 I don’t mind skitter’s conclusions that they come to here in 109. But a Note - I don’t think that Skitter ever really makes a conclusion off of asking spooky how far he was going to take a meme vote. Just some very light vague implied scum read then drops it. Actually she says that she took that as an effort “broadly discredit” her - which is a major stretch it was literally a meme.

again, you're missing context on how pooky plays and my relationship with him, and in that context, my fear of being discredited makes a lot more sense. and you're right, it never developed into a full-on scumread, but that's because even tho i was suspicious of it, *i knew it could come from town anyways*, and that it wasn't worth pushing him over at that early time

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She had also asked kazyan what they thought of her TR on creative and I don’t see a conclusion to the questioning. I don’t like when people ask questions that don’t serve a clear purpose - it feels scummy to me. Also T3 feels like super obvious town to me at this point even before I saw the flip and skitter has them null.

- the conclusion is like literally on the next page iirc
- just because the reason for the question isn't in the very post doesn't mean it doesn't have a clear purpose, sometimes being circuitous can yield more results than just straight-out asking questions

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“other than pooky wouldn't be surprised if all the scumz were in the people who haven't posted yet tbh” - this actually pings me as a very scummy statement. Because A) my slot (grif) hasn’t spoken yet and I know I’m town and B) I feel like the other afk slot (meagen) could be town because the mafia where able to do a night kill. Maybe I don’t understand the mechanics of mafia night kills but the site I’m from kills can’t even go through unless both mafias vote. So this to me feels like Skitter pushing afk players which feels very scummy because its a way of gaining the players who will actually votes trust and its a little hard to believe coming from a town because how can you know afk players are scummy? Idk maybe I’m playing into my confirmation bias at this point.

- you're using information that we didn't have yet (i.e. the fact that the nk went through) to claim tha tmy conclusion is bad
- it wasn't a read on either player per se at that time, but ratehr the vibe that i was getting from the game as a whole - i wasn't really scumreading anyone who was posting, so scum are probably not in the people who are posting (and therefore might be lurkers)
- yes it reads like confirmation bias at this point

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#183 this reads scum to me too. Skitter had been light scum pushing pooky all day and now is apologizing as if he is guaranteed to flip town? Idk man maybe I am an idiot. And seeing skitter’s EOD reads they have samcro (i think town) > t3 (confirmed town) > griff (I am town) > wheme > creative (i feel scummier than the other players). These reads just feel wrong. Actually skitter left kazayan off idk what that indicates.

right, cuz my feeling on the slot can't change upon them making more posts? it's p apparent once the hammer happened that he was town
and i was listing people on the wagon and how likely i thought they were to be town/scum

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#276 Skitter feels like an experienced player trying to gaslight a noob who is playing obvious town and has correctly scum read her here.

ok you're going to need to explain where i'm 'gaslighting' someone because that's not how i play and i think that's an unfounded accusation

[skitter30]

pom can you give like a 3 sentence summary of what you think my scumgame looks like please?

[skitter30]

actually i just want to hold off on responding to his scumread on me till he answers that, i'm going somewhere with this ^

[skitter30]

So I think I’ve really worked myself into a skitter SR. I think her light scumming pooky for NAI stuff then apologizing after he got voted after not defending him at all is scummy. Her asking questions I don’t think really advanced the game state in any way was scummy. I think her pushing on SAMCRO feels like awkward gas lighting SE pushing an obvious town noob player who has correctly sorted her. I think her living over T3 who had SR skitter and TR samcro and then just continuing to blindly tunnel samcro is scummy. Her expressing some second thoughts about samcro scum is the townies thing she’s done so far, but maybe this is just trying to dig herself out of samcro’s tunnel. Her sussing meagan for no reason maybe is a little bit townie, but could be scum trying to TR the present players who will actually vote to avoid being suspected. This is who I would vote today at this point in the game. 

I feel like Creative has been scummy at points in this game for high post volume to low post content ratio and stating obvious info to seem like he is helping town, but his reactions to being sussed so hard by SAMCRO feel more genuine and make me wonder if he can be town. Also he doesn’t seem like a great scum partner for skitter since skitter openly TR him to open the game although admittedly I don’t know if thats the kind of thing skitter would do. So I put him null.

i think i addressed most of these posts in the spoilered wall - and again i really do want you to explain exactly how and where i'm gaslighting anybody, because i think that that is a very inaccurate way to describe my approach

[skitter30]

When I'm mafia I love to just snipe a guy who sussed me on d1 and barely anyone reviews logs the way I do and everyone just forgets and continues their current tunnels. T3 didn't do anything close to softing PR and he died over the SEs? And Skitter is just TRing their fellow SE in that situation? When I wake up in the AM with a good player at my side my first impulse is "why the hell are you alive?" Seems like a pocket to me.

- you're kinda indicating you think i have a strong scumgame. i don't just 'snipe a guy who sussed me d1' that way, esp. since (if T3 were vt) i nearly always win a fight against him, you're kinda ascribing a very naive/level-1 reason to the nk while also saying i have a strong scumgame, which don't really add up
- idk why he died, i don't have an explanation for it. i think in a vaccuum me or wheme die most of the time. but i'm town and i townread wheme and i never make that kill and i dont' think wheme does either so :shrug:

[skitter30]

I have seen one of her recent games as scum and she seemed to act different, less serious and more layed back, it's less likely skitter is scum, I feel strongly that it's samcro since pooky did call him out as being "mafia or misguided" and I think samcro is a strong player and not misguided, and sam is pushing skitter hard too, it's unlikely it's a bus so in my eyes samcro is scum and spewed skitter town

If you look samcro was sussing me and skitter when we were not sussing him after he did a full 180 on pooky

If not voting Samcro, wheme is acting unlike an SE or feels like he is trying to draw out a day where town is doing nothing

ok this is also illegal to talk about due to ongoing games, just to be clear

[skitter30]

Your towncase on SAMCRO is illuminating, specifically the townslip implication in #213

213 is not a townslip and i'm not sure why it's being read that way

[skitter30]

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

yeah just noting that it's fairly interesting that he's giving T3's reads such weight cuz he's flipped town, but isn't really doing hte same with pooky's

[skitter30]

I'm just pretty sure SAMCRO, Wheme, Kazyan are town, Wheme being the weakest TR in there, but after #231, I decided to declare Wheme a TR, I see no reason for scum!WhemeStar to go "I think samcro is obv town and I don't think scum does what he did there." I feel like scum would go right along with Sam being maf.

Skitter would probably be one of my strongest SRs here, and it just so happens that Skitter also called my slot scum off of no lines (technically there was 1, but I don't count it) Like, this is a town slot, I'd bet Megan was just overwhelmed or busy, so skitter, I'd love to hear some more on why I'm scum.

again, to clarify, it was gut + townreading most of the active players
fwiw my gut on your posting thus far is town