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[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

[Xtoxm]

KOALAWANG

A ROUND OF KOALAWANG HAS ENDED

Unfortunately, nobody won this time.

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Smoke and Mirrors(3)

~ Mad Hatters Tea Party, Battle Mage, Smoke and Mirrors

April Ludgate(1)

~ Whemestar


Not Voting (8): Superb Subtlety, PenguinPower, Noraabear, Raya36, Rathe, April Ludgate, Korina, mastina

With 12 alive it takes 7 to FLIP.

Noon is in: (expired on 2021-03-12 13:50:57)
Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-17 13:50:57)

MOD:

ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with

blown away by a high caliber rifle

Did this need to be submitted publicly into the gamethread, or could it be via PM or in the mafia topic?

Based on the wording of the role card, we would accept any of those methods as a valid form of submission.

[Superb Subtlety]

Did you get anything worth mentioning last night, Rathe?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Btw, sorry for getting so tilted earlier and apologies to anyone I might have offended.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

I do recall you being quite provoking about getting people to play previously, and given your previous comments that "only scum have need to to fear the game" you have theoretically denied town a tool for use in closing the game without a winner.

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

[Rathe]

Did you get anything worth mentioning last night, Rathe?

i did not but i dont think i was on anybodys radar

[Rathe]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

k it makes sense to me

VOTE: smoke and mirrors

[Korina]

Sorry Nancy, but it's actually a very plausible guilty and I'm still not sure of your alignment here
If you're town, just sit and hope there's an explanation someone is willing to give because nothing else can realistically be done
If nothing changes I can see myself voting you when I've had more time to use the day phase

Basically, this.

I am not 100% sure Smoke/Mirrors is town or scum.
But barring any other explanation. Lightning rod, rolestopper targeting Smoke/Mirrors, roleblocker targeting Mad Hatters Tea Party, alien targeting either S/M or MHTP, busdriver driving S/M with someone else, redirector. (Most of which if existing would probably be scum disinclined to claim their result.)
The mechanical guilty is not something we can ignore.

If nobody comes forward with an explanation for the failure, the possibilities are only, 1: scum caused the failure, or, 2: the failure was due to targeting scum and getting a guilty.

The possibility of the latter is too strong to ignore.

So I believe that Smoke/Mirrors should, 100%, be the elimination today because it's either a guilty or gives us information about the scum's PRs, confirming they have a Manipulation-category role. The former puts us in a position to possibly have a literally perfect town game with zero town deaths and three dead scum; the latter, while costing us the life of a town player, gives us a small cautionary tale and lets us know that scum have a method to interfere with our roles.

Given we're so early into the day--it feels premature to end the day on a Smoke and Mirrors elimination; we should give it time, let people post, get collected, all and all in general talk, discuss, get any info out that they feel they need to get out, air any suspicions they feel they need to give, etc. (Thus why I'm not voting right now.)

But Smoke and Mirrors absolutely

should

be the elimination here.
(Plus on a side note. They're one of the only slots who'd kill either me or Superb Subtlety N1. Other players could kill the Ali/jjh hydra, but Smoke/Mirrors is legit the only slot who I could see targeting either of us, honestly.)

Lightning rod isn’t possible, because unless I’m secretly strongwilled, I got TFL’s role PM as my feedback. If someone did interfere with S&M, they absolutely should claim they did so as well.

[Rathe]

no if i understanding it correctly there was no failure due to someone else

[Rathe]

because smoke and mirrors was not neigborized is why it is a guilty

[Raya36]

S&M may not have been neighborized because of some sort of roleblocker targeting MHTP as an example. So it is true that that's the reason it's a guilty but it's not a 100% definite guilty because there's room for someone tampering with the action

[Superb Subtlety]

I don't want to rule out something like an alien or something that would prevent Nancy being targeted

Although if anything happened that could rule that out that would be very helpful for narrowing this down

[Smoke and Mirrors]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

I do recall you being quite provoking about getting people to play previously, and given your previous comments that "only scum have need to to fear the game" you have theoretically denied town a tool for use in closing the game without a winner.

You do really good trolls. They should hire you at parties.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Sorry Nancy, but it's actually a very plausible guilty and I'm still not sure of your alignment here
If you're town, just sit and hope there's an explanation someone is willing to give because nothing else can realistically be done
If nothing changes I can see myself voting you when I've had more time to use the day phase

Basically, this.

I am not 100% sure Smoke/Mirrors is town or scum.
But barring any other explanation. Lightning rod, rolestopper targeting Smoke/Mirrors, roleblocker targeting Mad Hatters Tea Party, alien targeting either S/M or MHTP, busdriver driving S/M with someone else, redirector. (Most of which if existing would probably be scum disinclined to claim their result.)
The mechanical guilty is not something we can ignore.

If nobody comes forward with an explanation for the failure, the possibilities are only, 1: scum caused the failure, or, 2: the failure was due to targeting scum and getting a guilty.

The possibility of the latter is too strong to ignore.

So I believe that Smoke/Mirrors should, 100%, be the elimination today because it's either a guilty or gives us information about the scum's PRs, confirming they have a Manipulation-category role. The former puts us in a position to possibly have a literally perfect town game with zero town deaths and three dead scum; the latter, while costing us the life of a town player, gives us a small cautionary tale and lets us know that scum have a method to interfere with our roles.

Given we're so early into the day--it feels premature to end the day on a Smoke and Mirrors elimination; we should give it time, let people post, get collected, all and all in general talk, discuss, get any info out that they feel they need to get out, air any suspicions they feel they need to give, etc. (Thus why I'm not voting right now.)

But Smoke and Mirrors absolutely

should

be the elimination here.
(Plus on a side note. They're one of the only slots who'd kill either me or Superb Subtlety N1. Other players could kill the Ali/jjh hydra, but Smoke/Mirrors is legit the only slot who I could see targeting either of us, honestly.)

Lightning rod isn’t possible, because unless I’m secretly strongwilled, I got TFL’s role PM as my feedback. If someone did interfere with S&M, they absolutely should claim they did so as well.

You got TFL’s role pm? What?

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

I’m saying that I don’t know for sure whether you’re lying or not but what you’re saying I 100% know is false. I had no knowledge of you neighbourizing TFL, until you literally posted that itt and you’re insisting the converse. I’m already getting run up. What possibly do you think I’d have to gain by lying about this?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

I do recall you being quite provoking about getting people to play previously, and given your previous comments that "only scum have need to to fear the game" you have theoretically denied town a tool for use in closing the game without a winner.

You do really good trolls. They should hire you at parties.

Alas, the only party I enjoy is a tea party. Chin chin!

[Smoke and Mirrors]

[Raya36]

How would I know that? The recent claims are suggesting you're scum with Fuzzy. And I highly doubt Fuzzy kept our neighborhood to himself. And your post made no sense. "What PT" it's in the claim in the post you quoted. "Why did I wait until now to mention this" why would I claim before having reason to?

Sounds to me you're fishing to see if there's more info about my role.

When did the neighbourize happen and why did I not hear about it before now? You can lie all you want but this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m not “fishing” for anything other than why you’re lying about this?

What makes you think I'm lying?

You’re saying something I know for a fact isn’t true. You may or may not actually be lying but you’re still wrong.

What specifically do you think I'm lying about?

I’m saying that I don’t know for sure whether you’re lying or not but what you’re saying I 100% know is false. I had no knowledge of you neighbourizing TFL, until you literally posted that itt and you’re insisting the converse. I’m already getting run up. What possibly do you think I’d have to gain by lying about this?

I have no info telling me that you had knowledge of the neighborhood. I am saying this because the recent claims suggest that you're scum. Since Fuzzy was scum and knew about the neighborhood it is almost guaranteed that Fuzzy told his scumbuddies which seems to include you. I believe you're asking me those questions about my role to either appear uninformed and confused or to try to fish for more info from my role.

Me saying that you knew about our neighborhood is not me lying or claiming anything. I am simply stating that I strongly believe you're scum and know about the role from Fuzzy.

[Korina]

Sorry Nancy, but it's actually a very plausible guilty and I'm still not sure of your alignment here
If you're town, just sit and hope there's an explanation someone is willing to give because nothing else can realistically be done
If nothing changes I can see myself voting you when I've had more time to use the day phase

Basically, this.

I am not 100% sure Smoke/Mirrors is town or scum.
But barring any other explanation. Lightning rod, rolestopper targeting Smoke/Mirrors, roleblocker targeting Mad Hatters Tea Party, alien targeting either S/M or MHTP, busdriver driving S/M with someone else, redirector. (Most of which if existing would probably be scum disinclined to claim their result.)
The mechanical guilty is not something we can ignore.

If nobody comes forward with an explanation for the failure, the possibilities are only, 1: scum caused the failure, or, 2: the failure was due to targeting scum and getting a guilty.

The possibility of the latter is too strong to ignore.

So I believe that Smoke/Mirrors should, 100%, be the elimination today because it's either a guilty or gives us information about the scum's PRs, confirming they have a Manipulation-category role. The former puts us in a position to possibly have a literally perfect town game with zero town deaths and three dead scum; the latter, while costing us the life of a town player, gives us a small cautionary tale and lets us know that scum have a method to interfere with our roles.

Given we're so early into the day--it feels premature to end the day on a Smoke and Mirrors elimination; we should give it time, let people post, get collected, all and all in general talk, discuss, get any info out that they feel they need to get out, air any suspicions they feel they need to give, etc. (Thus why I'm not voting right now.)

But Smoke and Mirrors absolutely

should

be the elimination here.
(Plus on a side note. They're one of the only slots who'd kill either me or Superb Subtlety N1. Other players could kill the Ali/jjh hydra, but Smoke/Mirrors is legit the only slot who I could see targeting either of us, honestly.)

Lightning rod isn’t possible, because unless I’m secretly strongwilled, I got TFL’s role PM as my feedback. If someone did interfere with S&M, they absolutely should claim they did so as well.

You got TFL’s role pm? What?

I’m a coroner. I check a dead player at night and receive their role PM, including any missing information. This information obviously doesn’t include things like other names in the PM or whatnot. Have you not read anything I’ve said?