Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[midwaybear]

That's pretty eerie

If I was scum, I would have ignored it.

[Momrangal]

At the same time, I Isoed VPB now and like, with the most recent claim I'm doing a conditional 180 on their slot

What on earth does the claim have to do with Baltar?

The manner of which GC claimed and referred to their crumb possibly revealed more than just their individual claim.

Also, your posts absolutely lack analysis so I'll use IIOA. I'm curio to your reaction to it however.

Pedir: :S

[maxwell]

At the same time, I Isoed VPB now and like, with the most recent claim I'm doing a conditional 180 on their slot

What on earth does the claim have to do with Baltar?

The manner of which GC claimed and referred to their crumb possibly revealed more than just their individual claim.

Also, your posts absolutely lack analysis so I'll use IIOA. I'm curio to your reaction to it however.

Pedir: :S

Almost everything I say is solidly based on opinion, the idea that I'm not analyzing the game is horseshit. This looks like a convenient pivot when you saw people were rejecting your push on baltar.

[VP Baltar]

That's pretty eerie

If I was scum, I would have ignored it.

Idk, youve been very lackluster after entry into the game.

Who are your scum reads again? Maybe just a full reads list from you would be helpful

[midwaybear]

I haven't really been thinking this game in terms of scumreads.
I think I'm townreading you, Mom, and Elements. Honestly, an ungated neighborizer seems a bit strong as a scum role, but I'm not the greatest in balance. I've stopped townreading Andres since his reaction to the claim.
I would vote between maxwell and RLotus at the moment.

[VP Baltar]

Why are you townreading Elements?

[Dunnstral]

Honestly, an ungated neighborizer seems a bit strong as a scum role, but I'm not the greatest in balance.

I don't get why that's too strong for a scum role?

Same sentiment at VPB thinking the neighborizer would get shot, not sure why that would happen

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So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

Something to keep in mind is that GC would be locked into claiming neighborizer today since he targeted Datisi already.

I guess I don't get why the claim changes anything right now. Could be either alignment, not an important role.

I agree it's unlikely that the claim is fake

[Dunnstral]

I basically don't like how you have so much more to say about a supposed null lean town read than a strong scum read. BUT I caught something early day one and I maybe expecting some results from what I've seen

I mean, reading back over those posts, I can say I was definitely annoyed with the way duchess was playing throughout the game, which came across to me as simultaneously disengaged and hyper aggressive.

As much as I think Dunn could be scum here, he is pretty calm and doesn't aggressively misinterpret game statements.

I also acknowledge your perspective is likely very different since you weren't involved in real time.

Anyhow, just seemed a weird thing to say.

Doesn't your description of my play here sound different from the game where we were scum together?

[VP Baltar]

Same sentiment at VPB thinking the neighborizer would get shot, not sure why that would happen

Just thinking that if I was scum and GC was town, I certainly wouldn't want him grouping a bunch of townies together in a neighborhood. Suddenly then the uninformed majority becomes much closer to being informed.

[VP Baltar]

Doesn't your description of my play here sound different from the game where we were scum together?

I will reread that game today if I can and look specifically at your aggression levels.

In the meantime, I'd take your feedback on my wagon analysis posts, sans my review of you I guess.

[Dunnstral]

Suddenly then the uninformed majority becomes much closer to being informed.

That's not how neighborhoods work

[VP Baltar]

Suddenly then the uninformed majority becomes much closer to being informed.

That's not how neighborhoods work

If you know what you're doing and use them to build trust, they do

[Datisi]

as someone who had the misfortune of playing scum against pure town hoods twice... that's exactly how they work

[Datisi]

So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

neither of us is orchestrating it, we voted you individually before even mentioning you in the hood.

how's your read on baltar doing? anything else going anywhere?

[midwaybear]

I don't get why that's too strong for a scum role?

It seems like an easy pocket. I’m probably overthinking this though.

[Datisi]

those quotes don't feel like attacks at all to me, especially compared to when i've actually seen scum!baltar attack someone, but alright.

@momrangal, can you tl;dr me on your reads on dunn, me, and andres?

[Datisi]

BM kind of checks out after that fight and votes elements again two days before deadline before lurking out. BM also had Italiano as "locktown" from super early on.

oh, i actually forgot about this. yeah, this slot is most likely town. i think this was around the time of the first major wagon on italiano, right? while it's theoretically possible that scum!bm decided to dismantle that for reasons, i don't think that's actually very likely. from what i've seen of bm's scumgame, he seemed like a line of least resistance scumplayer, and would probably just let the wagon be.

[VP Baltar]

BM kind of checks out after that fight and votes elements again two days before deadline before lurking out. BM also had Italiano as "locktown" from super early on.

oh, i actually forgot about this. yeah, this slot is most likely town. i think this was around the time of the first major wagon on italiano, right? while it's theoretically possible that scum!bm decided to dismantle that for reasons, i don't think that's actually very likely. from what i've seen of bm's scumgame, he seemed like a line of least resistance scumplayer, and would probably just let the wagon be.

Yeah, it was the first Italiano wagon. I definitely don't see scum BM making those moves

[Datisi]

yeah, went back to check, there were 3 votes on italiano on the last vc, he did vote dunn who was top wagon to ~make something happen~, but then decided to instead try to shift onto elements, who def wasn't top wagon. then after some chatting, went on to vote midway and argue w rtp. *definitely* doesn't remind of jungle oligarchy.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, could I get your overall take on the wagon analysis since you poked me about it. Anything that feels like wrong conclusions to you?

[Dunnstral]

So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

neither of us is orchestrating it, we voted you individually before even mentioning you in the hood.

how's your read on baltar doing? anything else going anywhere?

I think there has been a miscommunication, I wasn't planning on rereading vp balter

[Datisi]

Datisi, could I get your overall take on the wagon analysis since you poked me about it. Anything that feels like wrong conclusions to you?

it wasn't as inspiring to me as i had hoped, but let me see.

starting with 1976. i like your first assumption. i think there could be merit in yeeting on-wagon as opposed off-wagon today. while i do think it's a wagon that probably isn't scum-filled, both because of the way it came to be and because we have two flips on it already, it also very very likely wasn't pure. though i'd have to figure out if i have strong enough townreads on-wagon for a PoE that i'd think of being decent. also i was never good at vca so lel.

i already said (or at least implied somewhere, not sure) midway's vote is Not Good, and that he's prob my most likely pick for scum hiding behind loud voices. though reading this, it made me look through his iso, and i'm lowkey surprised how much his ~presence~ fell off after the inital burst.

on cursory glance, lotus still feels... *fine* to me? the townblocc proposed at the end of d1 (1442) is still somewhere around where i'm now, and assuming i'm not utter trash at this game, it feels dangerous to make such a proposal as scum if it's actually winning.

that said, the assumption of me not being utter trash is a dangerous one. probably worth looking back at his interactions with italiano, and especially if we decide to flip dunn today and he's green. huh, andres is getting to me it seems. also would definitely like to see more from him today about Recent Events.

maxwell i think i'm mindmelding on today, mostly about midway and about green's wagon, and he seems pretty genuine. rn i do agree he's the least scummy of the three.

jeez i already got distracted twice while typing this up

2165. agree on dunn. i decided to compare dunn and green's play around italiano, and yeah, dunn looks way worse. green made an effort to read italiano and elaborated on reasoning, while dunn's 1441 still feels like cookie cutter "calls misyeet bait town, doesn't do shit to actually convince anyone" scumpost.

skimming through, posts 1641 and 1645 from green did worry me at first, because they edge towards scum opportunism towards poor misyeetable italiano. however, thinking about it i actually think they're town indcative. i imagine scum in a similar situation would decide to either shade/attack the misyeet and get on the wagon, or continuously defend it, hope it goes through without them, and reap some townpoints for not being on the wagon. this achieves... neither? green voted max afterwards. *and* a few posts earlier (1624) he mentions how he prefers elements over italiano. those italiano posts feel unnecessary.

andres i'm still struggling on. his early d1 behaviour is still puzzling to me, and i wanna see what he presents going forward, bc i feel like there are some loose ends he hasn't tied up. i also get the feeling i'm falling back into the old trap of "his posts feel iioa-y, he's scum". though i disagree on that post being tmi, for the sole reason that he doesn't use it to push on me today. like he started of the day saying that while he did hate my smugness, it wasn't necessarily scum!indicative. like idunno, if that were scum!andres setting up a push on me on d2, i kinda don't see him... backing down from it like that?

momrangal town, duchess maybe town but where is cookie, etc

elements is... meh. i recall at some point thinking that they were acting anti-survivalistically by not exactly trying to vote their own possible counterwagons, but maybe they didn't need to if their buddies were helping out. idk. i wanna see more of them too, i believe they've been stalling on some reads explanations for like a week now.

tl;dr
on wagon - midway > lotus > max >...> baltar
off wagon - dunn > elements > ?? cookie/andres ?? > green > momrangal

probably 1 scum on wagon but also not feeling confident enough in that theory to start steering there atm. also i get the notion that relying on going back / rereading is gonna be less effective than getting new info.

[Datisi]

that's too much time spent to say "ye your posts r good, ppl need talk more, still wanna murder dunn lol"

you think him being ~calm~ is possibly town!indicative?

[Datisi]

So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?

neither of us is orchestrating it, we voted you individually before even mentioning you in the hood.

how's your read on baltar doing? anything else going anywhere?

I think there has been a miscommunication, I wasn't planning on rereading vp balter

i wasn't implying you were. i wanted to hear if you have any New thoughts on him. or really on anyone.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Cookie Monster