Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[Andante]

VOTE: Kazyan

[WhemeStar]

Nvm creative is not obv town

Are you willing to explain this now? This is a pivotal moment in the game imo.

I thought he was big softing a power role.

[Andante]

Wheme, where are your reads at right now on everyone?

[WhemeStar]

Andante wht do you scumread Sam?

I will ISO kaz but iirc he was in my lock town slot until seeds replaced in

[WhemeStar]

Wheme, where are your reads at right now on everyone?

Samcro seeds kaz town

You idk yet

Creative skitter

[Andante]

SAM feels like he's tried too hard to dumbtell/seem new, like, claimed, asked about miselim, has yet to make any solid read except against Creative. Kaz and Sam both, feel like they started with a tunnel on Creative, and didn't think to consider Creative being town, ignored everyone else in the game.

[CreativeName]

SAM feels like he's tried too hard to dumbtell/seem new, like, claimed, asked about miselim, has yet to make any solid read except against Creative. Kaz and Sam both, feel like they started with a tunnel on Creative, and didn't think to consider Creative being town, ignored everyone else in the game.

I noticed this that they (mainly sam tho) tunnelled me and skitter and not really focused on others, even I have been re focusing my attentions breifly

[Andante]

SAM feels like he's tried too hard to dumbtell/seem new, like, claimed, asked about miselim, has yet to make any solid read except against Creative. Kaz and Sam both, feel like they started with a tunnel on Creative, and didn't think to consider Creative being town, ignored everyone else in the game.

I noticed this that they (mainly sam tho) tunnelled me and skitter and not really focused on others, even I have been re focusing my attentions breifly

Yeah, mainly sam is who I was referring to as well, but Kaz also felt like it was a planned tunnel with you, idk

[six pomegranate seeds]

Nvm creative is not obv town

Are you willing to explain this now? This is a pivotal moment in the game imo.

I thought he was big softing a power role.

I was hoping there was a little more but idk you still seem town to me.

[CreativeName]

Nvm creative is not obv town

Are you willing to explain this now? This is a pivotal moment in the game imo.

I thought he was big softing a power role.

What power may I ask?

[six pomegranate seeds]

Wait, crap lmao we didn't have a single vote outside of the SAMCRO/Creative deadlock up until you guys came in. Mafia can't be trying to deflect. Damn, now that I put my thoughts into words, I realize that I'm freaking out over nothing

Idk this just gives me townpings tbh. Idk if it's just TMIing that I am town since I am the person who came in and took the heat off of those two, but I think having a preliminary thought that doesn't make sense and then coming to the realization it doesn't make sense seems townie to me.

Also I'm going through his ISO and a lot of it just seems really townie. He has given a lot of content throughout the game and was proactively giving reads that I thought made sense at the time. The point you bring up that he hasn't really interjected too much into the current action is somewhat valid since his post count is lower on D2. That is scummy. But he did interject to say he sus'd skitter he changed from voting SAMCRO to voting creative and he TR me so he did have opinions.

If I'm picking up on the invest soft correctly honestly I'd still just want to vote into Creative / Skitter I think. I'm honestly sorry to town if I am wrong but I'm just going to go with my gut feeling.

Do you think that SAMCRO is town Andante? Because if SAMCRO is town I'm willing to bet at least one mafia pushed them. Actually Kazyan also expressed intent to vote SAMCRO so maybe I will remain open to him in the votepool.

It would be really nice if SAMCRO would actually play and stop looking like a mafia who just gave up though lol.

I'm trying to logic through a SAM/Kaz team - both tunneled Creative at a point in the game, and maf often discuss reads on like easy pushes, SAM has done a lot of pushing on Creative, and I see 0 interactions from SAM with Kaz. I could see a maf SAM carelessly throwing out a vanilla town claim, idk, I'm trying to weigh the options here. Neither Sam nor Kaz has made a significant effort to try and find scum here, I understand SAM is just missing, idk. I think I could see a Sam and Kaz team (no I'm not just trying to pick easy pushes)

Yes, I also TRed Kaz for a couple lines, but then after I TRed Kaz, I stopped reading Kaz, and Kaz stopped trying. To me, it feels like Kaz doesn't actually care to find scum, and it's so easy to act towny at first, reading Kaz's ISO and SAM's it feels like they're partners

There were moments in the game where I saw them as aligned as well. It could mean they are town aligned imo as well though. Or that I am just crazy. To your point about Kaz stopped trying it did seem like he was scum hunting up until recently but that's more because he stopped posting as much. Maybe that is a scummy thing but idk.

[six pomegranate seeds]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

[six pomegranate seeds]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

I wouldn’t go that far with my townread on SAM. Why would you?

The townirsy person here is probably you

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

I wouldn’t go that far with my townread on SAM. Why would you?

The townirsy person here is probably you

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Creative

[six pomegranate seeds]

i want to know if i didn't show up shortly would you have actually pushed me to a lim!
(and i think you probably know where i'm going with this .... and had to have known where i'd be going with this ...)

I feel like a scum!Skitter would have been more heavy-handed with this insinuation instead of adding that last clause, so you get a townlean.

Also, I'm trying not to declare any scumreads or anything until much much later in the game, because I'm trash at scumhunting.

Stuff like this gives me mild scumpings. I think it's more townie to be paranoid of stronger players, giving them early townpass reads as trying to fly under the radar. Also downplaying your own scumhunting ability is perhaps a little scummy. Contrast with Creative saying with enough time he finds 2/3 or 3/3 of the mafia. It's kind of like preemptively excusing not being able to vote mafia later in game. I think not wanting to screw things up for town is a townie impuse, so maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Contrast this with Creative's reaction to being TR by pooky - his response is "I won't TR you for town reading me" and then he actually votes him which is maybe townie in retrospect. As mafia wouldn't you prefer a player TRing you to stay alive?

Does skitter/Kazyan make sense as the scumpair? I'd be inclined to say no, I'm not sure a scum kazyan calls scum skitter town leaning early into the game. Maybe it's possible though.

[six pomegranate seeds]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

I wouldn’t go that far with my townread on SAM. Why would you?

The townirsy person here is probably you

Lol man, I really hope this isn't a pocket. What moment did you think was towniest from me?

[six pomegranate seeds]

Not true at all. Pooky's dying words were literally you are mafia or misguided. I took very close notice of that, you even quoted the exact words in an earlier response to me.

Hence why I paraphrased as probably, meaning maybe scum not definately scum, this seems a hard defend on samcro, who baring in mind was 100% on pooky being town and 10000% on me being scum which no town is ever that confident in their reads, if you were that confident why do they need to play newbie games and surely that would point to it not being their first game overall (in other places), and which you said it was SAMCRO's first game earlier. either their reads are completely fabricated and they just put on the confident bravado to push the miselims and you're hard defending a scum, or it's not their first game and they know what they're doing and so could be a very convincing wolf

People who are new actually tend to have way more confidence as town because they have no sense of their own falibility. Like the dunning kruger effect, people with low ability can't appreciate their low ability and are overconfident. That is what makes the most sense to me in this situation because so many other things about Samcro seem town.

I am absolutely hard defending samcro, I am town and I think he is town and this vote is wasted on him. I can review skimmers logs in the game you have provided.

I have seen first time scum overconfident in false reads/info as they don't realise the repercussions of their actions, like samcro lynching me and me flipping town means he'll be lynched

I am prepaired for samcro to flip town and will let you vote me if he does, I am prepared to accept that I as town let town lose as my reads were not good enough, I also do not 100& think samcro is scum more like a cool 70-80%

This is pinging town to me as well to be honest with you. Maybe it's something you can just say as mafia, it'd be a very strong convincing line. But it feels genuine to me. Something in my gut is telling me not to vote creative. God this is hard.

[fferyllt]

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CreativeName

(3): SAMCRO, Kazyan, WhemeStar

six pomegranate seeds

(2): skitter30, CreativeName

Kazyan

(1): Andante

skitter30

(1): six pomegranate seeds

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Revised deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

SAMCRO has been prodded. If a replacement is needed the deadline will be suspended/modified.
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[six pomegranate seeds]

Wow we actually have a lot of time. Also Creative is at E-1. I'm rereading the game.

[CreativeName]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

Wow that's like the scummiest thing in the world, You'd accept the loss over scum reading someone who is already acting scummy?

[six pomegranate seeds]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

Wow that's like the scummiest thing in the world, You'd accept the loss over scum reading someone who is already acting scummy?

Lol, the fact he is antagonizing me when i could hammer him is probably town imo. Part of me is open to just voting SAM and going to final 5 with players who won't afk. Maybe that'd make for a better game.

[six pomegranate seeds]

VOTE: Kazyan

You know, honestly? I wonder if Andante is town and he thought I was playing scummy I should use that as a reference point. I wonder if Kazayan TR me because he is scum. I guess Wheme also TR me though. But I do feel like when I am being attacked by town it's more common for maf to come to my defense. I may be open to this vote tbh.

Crazy question: would it be best to just flip SAM here? If he is town like I think I think he is going to be miselimed like for sure in ELO. And if he is scum then I will lose the game in ELO voting with him. At least flipping SAM here would give us a little bit of information, like to me him flipping blue would make Wheme a pretty strong town, and I feel like Andante feels like a town right now. Also I feel like letting someone win as scum the way SAM played is just bad for the game. And this way I won't feel guilty for throwing if you guys were right that he was scum. Just a thought.

You know what I'm not going to play that game. SAM town, if he's scum I lose.

Wow that's like the scummiest thing in the world, You'd accept the loss over scum reading someone who is already acting scummy?

Do you find kazyan scummy? I'm also going to tell you, if I was mafia with SAM there is no way I would defend him this hard just FYI.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Maybe SAM v Creative is town vs. town. That would imply there's probably one mafia on this Creative wagon. Maybe that is kazayan tbh. He seemed town most of the game but I just get this feeling there is one maf between creative and kazayan. Kazayan TRs skitter early, scummy. He wasn't on the d1 mislim wagon but is holding your vote really that townie? If creative is really town Wheme has been on two bad wagons too lol. I honestly thought Wheme was softing investigative on d1 by saying Creative was no longer obv town for bringing up masons and was hoping he was implying blue check on SAMCRO but that obviusly is not what happened. If creative is town maybe SAMCRO was reallly just open wolfing playing suicidal mafia. I haven't played any forum so I don't have a grasp on what people do here. I'm probably not voting creative here. Open to voting Kazayan or Samcro atm. I hope I'm not just TRing a mafia for calling my reads bad here lol.