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[skitter30]

ali i don't think i was the deciding vote on your wagon being possible tho

[Alisae]

Scum!Alisae believes in pushing scum role objectives.

Alisae, is this true?

It seems pretty hard to believe to me that scum-Alisae wouldn't even attempt to appear like they would as town, especially this early in the game when it's not at all clear what role objectives actually help them.

What Chara and Pooky are saying in that I am constantly just looking for miselims is very true.

i have heard Ali say what Pooky is saying about eir scumgame. e focuses on playing to win and doesn't care about blending in/making subpar moves from a scum perspective in order to look town.

However that doesn't mean I won't try to play like how people expect me to play like, I kinda just talked about this. However with this post I feel like Pooky isn't trying to be right here

here you go

@SS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12403331

That post was written before One Night Stand. In One Night Stand I decided to try something new.
Pooky is completely ignoring the existence of that game and how that plays into it which is really weird.

Even tho I think if I was actually scum in this pl, maybe I do try to just play scum how I normally would since I think it could maybe work but I'm not sure.

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Eh VOTE: ali

Honestly either of Ali or pooky can die as well, I’m not fussed

guys
what is this player doing?

[Alisae]

How do we get from here

Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

My level of conviction in Alisae being scum has not changed at all. The only thing that changed is your perception of it.

to here

i'm not really vibing pooky's ali case tbh

to here

ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

Yes pooky I am asking you

[Luca Blight]

Alisae saying they regret posting when Luca/me were arguing pinged me town as well when thinking back on it, their argument that seeing if me/Luca would bring specific supporters on either team and would have been valuable input, is a town mindset.

Note that Norwegian didn't respond to Pooky's explanation (686) of his SR on Ali here, and instead gives a pretty surface level reason to maintain his stance regardless.

[skitter30]

right that's my point .... why does he drop it like that if scum just cuz i said i wasn't interested

[Alisae]

ali i don't think i was the deciding vote on your wagon being possible tho

hmmmmmmm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont' think you're trying to kill anyone here

I'm just here to dance with you

[Alisae]

Skitter try to sell me on Day.
Fark dislikes it.
You dislikes it.
I don't see anything but there has to be something there that I'm just not seeing right?

[Luca Blight]

Alisae saying they regret posting when Luca/me were arguing pinged me town as well when thinking back on it, their argument that seeing if me/Luca would bring specific supporters on either team and would have been valuable input, is a town mindset.

yeah i can agree with this, i think scum Ali is happier to see an argument form and actually contribute to it than accidentally interfere and immediately regret it.

Meh

This just seems like such a weak reason for a TR. Ali and Norwee could easily be partners from where I'm standing, or Ali could be attempting to pocket Norwee, or just attempted to blend in with some harmless peacemaking which didn't really address the man issue anyway. You could literally spin this any way you want

I am getting some town vibes from Chara anyway

[Luca Blight]

main issue*

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That post was written before One Night Stand. In One Night Stand I decided to try something new.
Pooky is completely ignoring the existence of that game and how that plays into it which is really weird.

that post represents your normal scum meta

the way you enjoy playing scum and what you are used to.

One Night stand is

one game

where you deviated from your scum meta.

and as far as I can tell, you didn't enjoy it very much.

Since you um rageconceded pretty early without even getting permission from your team.

So why would I reasonably expect you to continue playing scum in a way that makes you unhappy - instead of just playing it the normal way you used to enjoy?

and besides I'm not even meta-ing you and calling you scum based on this meta, I'm simply responding to SS because he didn't know this about your scum meta and thought it was a point towards you being town.

[skitter30]

it is, to be fair, largely a ping.
i don't have super awesome scumreads atm, that's why i listed the people i sort of townread

i'm kinda content just putting pressure on them rn

pedit this bit was directed at ali

~

pooky your 'once' video has inspired me to watch a whole of broadway themed videos on youtube tonight :)

[Alisae]

ah ya, I didn't enjoy it because I was deviated from my meta but not because of all of the other things that were going on within the context of that game that led to a ban yep sure ok pooky

[Luca Blight]

My problem with the pooky wagon is that it's born of all my townleans and yet i feel there's something wrong sheeping them

Also i think that if he is scum, a couple of the possible remaining partners (mena and skitter) would have already bussed him

Rest of the people are Day (already my sr), luca (tl), ydrasse (neu/tl + see below), legolucy (neu/tl), ss (tl + see below) and suji (neutral, and could make sense with scum!pooky with his progression on ali)

@ydrasse and ss do you think pooky is scum?

@Day do you have an opinion on the pooky situation?

Pedit: well, nvm

I'm starting to feel better about Farkran, I like his general progression since Yesterday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How do we get from here

Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

My level of conviction in Alisae being scum has not changed at all. The only thing that changed is your perception of it.

to here

i'm not really vibing pooky's ali case tbh

to here

ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

Yes pooky I am asking you

skitter doesn't want you to die. <3

so I'm going to listen to her

it's win-win for me

if you're town she has saved me from a humiliating loss.

if you're scum I will get to gloat post-game :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ah ya, I didn't enjoy it because I was deviated from my meta but not because of all of the other things that were going on within the context of that game that led to a ban yep sure ok pooky

sure there were other things that really annoyed you.

but I have to think that taking a back seat and letting the game state get out of control while your bumbling teammates managed to play themselves into terrible positions was um

illuminating

[Luca Blight]

It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

You could say that about anyone trying to solve. Just because someone says it’s more likely SvT doesn’t mean they didn’t consider the possibility of TvT.

You're not really pushing this in good faith though, because you're SR'ing Pooky for being sure of his SR but TR'ing Ali when e's the same

And from where I'm standing (as of this post) Pooky has explained his SR a whole lot more than Ali

[Alisae]

skitter30
- progressively has gotten better
- I think I need other flips in the game before I vote this

Farkran
- Playing that nostalgic towngame that I fell in love with.

PookyTheMagicalBear
- his read on me is really strong and its quite unusually and I think its motivated off of OMGUS and because he feels threatened.
- but I should probably read what he's actually saying at some point.

Chara
- Seems townie?
- lately I've just been ignoring Chara and leave them for later like in FL v Hectic. They'll probably have more villagery points that I can definitively say are villagery for them

Luca Blight
- he seems like he's genuinely trying to read me
- I think I could be giving this too much credit tho

NorwegianboyEE
- seems townie yep kekw

Menalque
- have no idea what he's doing

LegoLucy
- They seem like they're scumhunting

Sujimichi
- he ghosted out of the thread kekw
- Wasn't SS really good at reading this player? I should probably just leave it to him then huh

Ydrasse
- So far I feel like they're in their town meta but this should become more apparent later on.
- def 1 scum max in {Pooky, Ydra}

Day
- I vibed with their Ydra take
- They're being suspected and I slightly just don't get it?

Something_Smart
- seems like normal town!ss yep town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky your 'once' video has inspired me to watch a whole of broadway themed videos on youtube tonight

yay! <3

I am glad we have something to dance to in our dreams

[Alisae]

but I have to think that taking a back seat and letting the game state get out of control while your bumbling teammates managed to play themselves into terrible positions was um

I mean the gamestate always gets out of control if I try to influence it or not w/ that playerlist. That playerlist is REALLY hard to play scum against. Maybe a team like me, you, and kanna wins that pl?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah Kanna is really bad at playing scum lol she is too innocent and pure!

i have experienced this first hand now :>

I think you could've driven me/abr/tweet into fighting earlier when I sparred with him over tweetie - that's probly the best window that opened.

[Alisae]

Pooky is there any common ground in our reads?

[Luca Blight]

Using probability of "but it’s always more likely TvT than SvT" just seems a bit odd to me as an leading argument for why you believe Alisae!scum.

Again:

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus

and it’s too confident for this point in the game

.

You seem to imply here that Pooky should be considering the T/T possibility more if he's Town, right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I haven't even made reads yet

I'm just creating action for funz.

it's like less than 48 hours into the game I dunno why people think we are locking things in for the long haul.

[Alisae]

I haven't even made reads yet

I'm just creating action for funz.

it's like less than 48 hours into the game I dunno why people think we are locking things in for the long haul.

you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?