TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[mastina]

jjh please tell me you have a Vanilla Townie result on Titus so that we can confirm yesterday's wagons weren't SvS, thus, conftowning Titus and Ythan and for that matter making it highly likely the entirety of the Bell wagon is town.

May as well pagetop this I guess.

[jjh927]

No I have a second 'guilty' on okapoka

[mastina]

No I have a second 'guilty' on okapoka

Oof.

That being said I do have thoughts on massclaim when Oka decides to fakeclaim some role and Hopkirk realclaims his role.

[jjh927]

Feels pretty statistically unlikely tbh since I really don't think there are that many PRs left

[jjh927]

I take it you caught me crumbing my result on Hopkirk and put two and two together?

[mastina]

Feels pretty statistically unlikely tbh since I really don't think there are that many PRs left

Trust me. I did the work last night. I'm pretty damn certain that Hopkirk's role is real here and that Oka when he needs to fakeclaim will have a role that's fake, but I shouldn't explain why until after they do chime in here.

[mastina]

Btw for how I figured it out:

i was targeted by an announcing role that i think is more likely to be scum aligned (especially assuming town!A50 +provides weak Bayesian evidence for town!A50 on a couple of levels)

i was targeted by an announcing role that i think is more likely to be scum aligned (especially assuming town!A50 +provides weak Bayesian evidence for town!A50 on a couple of levels)

Do you think it's scum aligned because it's another announcing role or do you think it's scum aligned because of the role itself

so i discussed this with Hectic (and arguably Flopz) and they agreed it's worth outing it
i was targetted by a Neapolitan. we're leaning towards it being a scum backup neapolitan (or backup of first announcing to die if A50 is town as well also makes sense?)

Universal backup is a thing

What's the likelihood of the first role to die being the thing that there is a specific backup for VS a backup just being universal

I have conflicted feelings about Hopkirk

Life would definitely be a lot easier if the neapolitan had an innocent on him

I put 2+2 together with 4716; that was the moment it clicked, and then I iso'd jjh to find 4594 to confirm it.

And yes: this means jjh is conftown.
Per Normal Guidelines, a Universal Backup can only inherit a role of the same alignment.
Per Dannflor being a Town 3x Announcing Neapolitan, jjh inheriting the role means that he MUST, inherently, be town.

I knew jjh was conftown yesterday and wanted him to get his second investigation off.

I also chose my wording on Hopkirk carefully--I wanted to table the discussion until today, because Hopkirk knowing an announcing neapolitan had targeted him would, regardless of his alignment, know it was not an innocent, and thus, regardless of his alignment, know that today after the neapolitan outed that he'd need to roleclaim not-Vanilla.

I am pretty damn sure that we can have exactly one more unknown PR.
I am pretty damn sure that we cannot have two more PRs.
And I am pretty damn sure that in {Hopkirk, OkaPoka}, between the two, Oka is the scum and Hopkirk is the town PR.

But again, should wait to explain this after they claim.

[mastina]

Speaking of which:
VOTE: OkaPoka.

Another reason for Oka over Hopkirk: one of them was on the Titus counterwagon to the scum elimination (Oka); one of them was voting the scum elimination (Hopkirk).

Pretty damn sure both remaining scum were on the Titus wagon here anyway.

[Ythan]

Ayyy

[jjh927]

VOTE: Okapoka

[OkaPoka]

i am joat commuter/hider see all star

with that being said i deserve to die and i have midterms so uhh /shrug

mastina is scum though gl

[OkaPoka]

although

why doesnt the "town neapolitan" look into a claimed vt

lol

[OkaPoka]

someone look into that tomorrow peace

[OkaPoka]

if jjh is town Neapolitan the invests make no sense: ythan pretty much softed vt and titus outright claimed vt and he's not going to get 100% clears

ahh is mastina town then

[OkaPoka]

too much work sorry lads i have a midterm tomorrow and ive been grinding a past exam for the past two hours and the outlook - not so good

[mastina]

i am joat commuter/hider see all star

Yup, this is a scumclaim.

As a NRG reviewer, I am 100% convinced that Oka is scum.

We live in one of two worlds:
A world where the scumteam is {OkaPoka, Hopkirk}, or a world where OkaPoka is scum and Hopkirk is a town PR with the last scum being...well let's be honest, pretty much just one of {Winter Flakes, AGar}.

And of the two AGar's end of day looks by far worse.

[OkaPoka]

cya guys next week basically unless you kill me in which case someone carry on my legacy

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: jjh

[Ythan]

ythan pretty much softed vt

Softed???

[jjh927]

lol that's definitely a scumclaim

[jjh927]

I would never consider targeting Ythan because he's just town

Similar kind of reasoning on Titus but I'm not as confident.

Still thought that, given my positive result on hopkirk, that there probably aren't any more PRs and I can functionally be a cop

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Oka

[Hopkirk]

Can back up that I'm not vanilla.

[jjh927]

But yeah I think Oka trying to cast aspersions on me is pretty damning here

[jjh927]

Although I'm down for massclaim or just having a bit of time in the day to do stuff since it's now activity time