Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Titus]

Like the kills >> One on each wagon points to Cakez scum
Wagon stall eod while counter wagon majority town >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina dead voting Cakez while speaking about Prism >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina defends/WK Titus >> NAI but Mastina thought it important enough to do , why and not me? Titus’s reads bad D1? Maybe she thinks I see through it?

The only thing giving me pause is why Mastina walls right there. SirCakez is scum by almost every metric I can think of except my Mastina makes a certain post unless it’s Cakez Titus BM
I just don’t think I am hero solving based on gut.

Going to bed now but I hope I explained why Cakez and Titus are good flips

This gives me pause.

1) Why do you feel both kills came from scum? If both kills did come from scum LLD likely has a read on scum (or she could dispel that notion). A scum vig is unlikely. Two kills by scum is just unlikely thus "one kill on each wagon points to Cakez" is likely wrong. The fact you start there is alarming and troublesome.

2) Wagon stall at EoD doesn't say anything about Cakez alignment. Most wagons are majority town.

3) mastina talking about Prism was likely trying to attack the townblock. It says zero about Cakez alignment. Also, VCA tries to look at just the votes (although if we purely did that LLD would look really bad).

4) I was under more threat than you and mastina wanted a miselim for later. Plus, I bought her Prism case. I was already pocketed.

That being said, I'll try to redo my VCA with Cakez scum. I don't buy it but I'll take a look. I won't do Dunn scum as it would be blatantly intellectually dishonest as I see little to no way I am wrong there.

[Titus]

@LLD, If an artifact has a vig, please state who you gave it to.

[penguin_alien]

Afternoon Vote Count 2.05

Afternoon 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-14 12:31:37)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to Bronze

Titus (5): DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, GreyICE, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage
borkjerfkin (3): Spiffeh, SirCakez, Bell
GreyICE (1): Prism
DrippingGoofball (2): Titus, Dunnstral

Not voting (3): Tammy, Lady Lambdadelta, borkjerfkin

Mod notes: Lady Lambdadelta is V/LA
29/70 pages used

[Tammy]

there are other players that can read me correctly.

I used to be fairly decent at it. I wonder if I still am.

Do you have a read on GreyIce?

[SirCakez]

I did like Cakez' post about having anxiety about the pooky case and that he was going to step away from it. Just gut liked it.

actually my anxiety was related to irl. I just was not feeling well mentally so I couldn't concentrate and put it together.

that said I am feeling better today so its coming

[SirCakez]

I like bork's recent posting on the last five pages more, he finally actually engaged someone

VOTE: Titus
back here for now

[DrippingGoofball]

Prism (6):

sangres

, Tammy, Titus, Prism, Spiffeh, SirCakez
Lady Lambdadelta (3): PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, Bell

sangres

(1):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

Kitty Trauma Team

(1): MathBlade
Not voting (6): borkjerfkin,

Kitty Trauma Team

, Lady Lambdadelta,

mastina

, GreyICE, Dunnstral

Prism (1): Titus
Lady Lambdadelta (9): PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell, Prism, Balttle Mage, Spiffeh, Tammy, SirCakez, Lady Lambdadelta,

sangres

sangres

(1):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

Kitty Trauma Team

(1): MathBlade
Not voting (5): borkjerfkin,

Kitty Trauma Team

,

mastina

, GreyICE, Dunnstral

Dunnstral (3): , SirCakez,

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Battle Mage
MathBlade (4): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus
Spiffeh (1): Dunnstral
PookyTheMagicalBear(1): MathBlade
Titus (2): GreyICE,

sangres

borkjerfkin (1): Spiffeh
Not voting (5): Tammy, borkjerfkin,

Kitty Trauma Team

,

mastina

, Prism

Dunnstral (4): , SirCakez,

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
PookyTheMagicalBear(1): MathBlade
Titus (2): GreyICE,

sangres

Not voting (5): Tammy, borkjerfkin,

Kitty Trauma Team

,

mastina

, Prism

Dunnstral (3):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
Titus (2): GreyICE,

sangres

SirCakez (2):

mastina

,

Kitty Trauma Team

Prism (1): MathBlade
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): SirCakez
Not voting (3): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Prism

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (6): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (1):

sangres

SirCakez (3):

mastina

,

Kitty Trauma Team

, Dunnstral
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): SirCakez

mastina

(1): MathBlade
Not voting (3): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Prism

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (4):

sangres

, Prism, SirCakez, MathBlade
SirCakez (4):

mastina

,

Kitty Trauma Team

, Dunnstral, Titus
Not voting (2): Tammy, borkjerfkin

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (5):

sangres

, SirCakez, MathBlade,

Kitty Trauma Team

, borkjerfkin
SirCakez (3):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus
Not voting (2): Tammy, Prism

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (3): Battle Mage, GreyICE, Bell
Titus (7):

sangres

, SirCakez,

Kitty Trauma Team

, borkjerfkin, MathBlade, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (3):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus
Not voting (2): Tammy, Prism

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (6):

sangres

, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (3):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus

mastina

(2): Bell, GreyICE
Not voting (3): Tammy, Prism,

Kitty Trauma Team

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (6):

sangres

, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (3):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus

mastina

(2): Bell, GreyICE
Not voting (3): Tammy, Prism,

Kitty Trauma Team

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (2): Battle Mage, Bell
Titus (6):

sangres

, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (3):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus

mastina

(1): GreyICE
Not voting (3): Tammy, Prism,

Kitty Trauma Team

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (5): SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (4):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus,

Kitty Trauma Team

mastina

(4): GreyICE,

sangres

, Bell, Prism
Not voting (1): Tammy

Dunnstral (3):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, MathBlade, SirCakez
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (4):

mastina

, Dunnstral, Titus,

Kitty Trauma Team

mastina

(6): GreyICE,

sangres

, Bell, Prism, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
Not voting (1): Tammy

Dunnstral (2):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

, Spiffeh
SirCakez (7):

mastina

, Dunnstral,

Kitty Trauma Team

, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade

mastina

(7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell
Mathblade (1):

sangres

Dunnstral (1):

quiet/DrippingGoofball

SirCakez (7):

mastina

, Dunnstral,

Kitty Trauma Team

, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade

mastina

(9--BRONZED): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell,

sangres

, Spiffeh

=========

ANALYSIS

================

Titus (5): SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Dunnstral (3): quiet/DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, SirCakez
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (6): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism, Battle Mage, Spiffeh

The movement between these two wagons is interesting.

Who left the leading Titus wagon, and where did they vote next?

• SirCakez left the Titus wagon for Dunnstral
  
• MathBlade left the Titus wagon for Dunnstral

I will label both these movements as slightly leaning town.

Where did the influx of votes on mastina come from?

• Battle Mage boarded the mastina wagon from MathBlade (it was a vanity wagon), and is vote #4
  
• Spiffeh boarded the mastina wagon from Dunnstral (it had 2-3 votes)

I will label both these movements as leaning town.

===========================

Dunnstral (3): quiet/DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, SirCakez
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (6): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
Not voting (1): Tammy

Dunnstral (2): quiet/DrippingGoofball, Spiffeh
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell
Mathblade (1): sangres

Here mastina is leading with six votes, and SirCakez by two.

Where did the influx of votes on SirCakez, the competing wagon to scum come from?

• Lady Lambdadelta left the Titus wagon for SirCakez
  
• PookyTheMagicalbear left the Titus wagon for SirCakez
  
• Titus unvoted and re-voted SirCakez
  
• MathBlade left the Dunnstral wagon for Sir Cakez

I will label all four of these movements as leaning scum; Titus somewhat less so for the unvote/re-vote.

===========================

Dunnstral (2): quiet/DrippingGoofball, Spiffeh
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell
Mathblade (1): sangres

Dunnstral (1): quiet/DrippingGoofball
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (9--BRONZED): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell, sangres, Spiffeh

• sangres and Spiffeh drive the mastina wagon to the station.
  
• sangres is the towniest vote for being first tipping the scale.
  
• Spiffeh's hammer is neutral, town or scum could have equally done it.

===========================

Leaning town

Battle Mage
Spiffeh

Slightly leaning town

Sir Cakez >>>

however based on being the mastina counterwagon, I'd cautiously label it as TOWN.

Slightly leaning scum

Titus

Neutral

MathBlade

Leaning scum

Lady Lambdadelta
PookyTheMagicalbear

===========================

DISCLAIMER

These aren't

holistic

game reads, they are

granular

pieces of information based on a single wagon.

[SirCakez]

Located town: spiffed, LLD. Prism. Bell.

I like this list except I'm still hesitant about spiff

Now I think you're just doing this to annoy me

if u stopped bugging me about it maybe it would go away!!!!!!!

But actually gonna stop here. Interacting with you in the first place was a mistake.

I feel like I just got slapped and I have no idea what happened and I'm pretty fucking miserable about it.

this feels pretty genuine for example

I haven't read every post either, but getting pissy at me asking you what you think about a post someone made AND let's not mistake something here buddy,

like i apologize - that segment was to prism, not you

=/

I'm sorry, i'm apparently in a bitchier mood than I realized.

The rest of the post was to me so I thought that was too, and I got hot that you said I mischaracterized you while doing it in turn to me, and getting angry at me for something I didn't say and a position I didn't hold.

I'm sorry.

actually I think both Tammy and bork look better here
this is EXACTLY how Tammy acted when we fought in Popcorn Mafia
I'm not making that mistake again

Is it bad that I want to townread Dunnstral not giving an ounce of a shit about this game or my tunnel on him?

Not enough to drop my scum read on him, but enough to just throw my hands up in frustration and leave him alone today

no he would play like this as scum

Scum: GreyICE, DGB

I forgot if you talked about this but why GI scum? I don't know how to read him he's kinda been sitting in my nullpile all game.

Mathblade and SirCakez both move to Dunn rather than staying on the larger counterwagon (me), effectively killing it. While they moved to vote likely town instead of scum, killing a counterwagon on town gives townpoints.

both wagons had three votes at that point though??

I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

I feel like this is a scumbuddy talking about another scumbuddy

as much as it PAINS me to admit it Pooky's 2829 is pretty good. HOWEVER

If I were scum and Cakez is town, I would not stop pushing. I would push until he's dead. You saw how I operate in Tenet, I drive until the target is dead, I am not scared of getting my hands dirty. I killed flavor leaf in like 2 hours total from first vote to him self hammering.

Compare that to the last 2 hours of D1 where I barely said anything. If I had actual stakes in this, I would just pile drive Cake all the way until he's gone.

to your second point:

there's something called "Standard Mastina Protocol"

where LLD flips Mastina's readslist upside down, and just starts killing from the top of it.

Hence when Mastina put me that far up on her readslist - there's a good chance LLD just flips that around and kills me lol.

also Mastina knows this so I think she was trying to get cute with LLD :3

This logic is extremely flawed due to the post count limits on this game making it essentially impossible for you to "pile drive" me to death without looking scummy as hell for wasting posts

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

The biggest question is what was going on in 930s that made Mastina wall Prism

This seems really obvious to me no? Prism is widely townread and mastina was trying to get some paranoia going. This was before mastina was definitely going down.

[Prism]

I think I need to take the day off since my thoughts about this game have been all-consuming for multiple days. I'd like to read a book, watch a movie, maybe call a friend or something instead. Unless disaster strikes, yell at me if I come around and I'll respond to anything for me tomorrow.

Looking at the votes on the Titus wagon I still don't want to come anywhere near this.

For DGB I'm pleased to see you take stronger forays with the VCA, I definitely am looking more forward to where you go with this qualitatively. It's lovely that you townread me but that's super fakeable.

[SirCakez]

I am writing the Pooky case right now get hyped

[DrippingGoofball]

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

The biggest question is what was going on in 930s that made Mastina wall Prism

I'm not sure if I want to make conclusions based on mastina wallposts but gut says this is scum vs. town. Why? Ugh, aside from point #1, everything is flavor nitpicking. She begins by saying that Prism is obvscum for behavioral reasons, setting up the stage. But her real "case" here, which should be her

strongest

argument, is all flavor speculation. She really wants to convince us that Prism's flavor is a condemnation. Why would she want to do that? Entertain the possibility that scum may have very townie flavors like

Sally Stukowski

LOL.

[Prism]

I look forward to reading it Cakez, which I'm sure I will today since I'm like that.

I am sure I'm not the only one who would love to see some fresh GreyICE content.

Just realized I'm going to miss LLD FUCK okay maybe I will come in for that but IF NOT I'M SORRY LLD PLEASE DO UR BEST

[MathBlade]

Like the kills >> One on each wagon points to Cakez scum
Wagon stall eod while counter wagon majority town >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina dead voting Cakez while speaking about Prism >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina defends/WK Titus >> NAI but Mastina thought it important enough to do , why and not me? Titus’s reads bad D1? Maybe she thinks I see through it?

The only thing giving me pause is why Mastina walls right there. SirCakez is scum by almost every metric I can think of except my Mastina makes a certain post unless it’s Cakez Titus BM
I just don’t think I am hero solving based on gut.

Going to bed now but I hope I explained why Cakez and Titus are good flips

This gives me pause.

1) Why do you feel both kills came from scum? If both kills did come from scum LLD likely has a read on scum (or she could dispel that notion). A scum vig is unlikely. Two kills by scum is just unlikely thus "one kill on each wagon points to Cakez" is likely wrong. The fact you start there is alarming and troublesome.

>> I start here because there’s no evidence a vig exists and we know scum had a secret power and Kitty had little to no scumreads.

2) Wagon stall at EoD doesn't say anything about Cakez alignment. Most wagons are majority town.

>> Yes it does lmao.

3) mastina talking about Prism was likely trying to attack the townblock. It says zero about Cakez alignment. Also, VCA tries to look at just the votes (although if we purely did that LLD would look really bad).

>> I don’t think so. Prism was a deliberate choice. There’s effort and walling.

4) I was under more threat than you and mastina wanted a miselim for later. Plus, I bought her Prism case. I was already pocketed.

>> You were under more threat that me despite same wagon size (going off of memory)? How so?

That being said, I'll try to redo my VCA with Cakez scum. I don't buy it but I'll take a look. I won't do Dunn scum as it would be blatantly intellectually dishonest as I see little to no way I am wrong there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This logic is extremely flawed due to the post count limits on this game making it essentially impossible for you to "pile drive" me to death without looking scummy as hell for wasting posts

sure but if you look at end of day - esp the last 2-3 hours I essentially stopped posting.

Maybe posting nonstop is scummy but I would at least be putting some posts/pressure on you.

if I am scum and you are town and Mastina is the counter wagon. I will not just stay silent when bell puts you at e-1. I will get that last vote come hell or high water.

[MathBlade]

I think I need to take the day off since my thoughts about this game have been all-consuming for multiple days. I'd like to read a book, watch a movie, maybe call a friend or something instead. Unless disaster strikes, yell at me if I come around and I'll respond to anything for me tomorrow.

Looking at the votes on the Titus wagon I still don't want to come anywhere near this.

For DGB I'm pleased to see you take stronger forays with the VCA, I definitely am looking more forward to where you go with this qualitatively. It's lovely that you townread me but that's super fakeable.

I think DGB is town spewing here.

I think if DGB were coached scum the VCA would include LLD’s mason claim.

[SirCakez]

The Pooky Case: Or, Why PookyTheMagicalBear Does Not Have Your Back~

PROLOGUE

Please note that I am only analyzing Pooky's day 1 as that is where my scumread originates from.

THESIS

Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

PART 1 - THE COASTING AND LACK OF SCUMHUNTING

I have 0 knowledge of this show and what its about

i dont even know who the bad guys are

so im definitely town

Pooky do you think continuing to proclaim that I'm scum every time I post is going to get you townread?

I can tell you rn it's not working

im already locktown dude

i dont even know who the bad guys are or what they do

This kind of posting is a recurring theme in Pooky's ISO. Repeated self-declarations of being obvious town, despite basically nobody thinking so.
Also note the LAMIST attempt as he repeatedly notes that he does not know "who the bad guys are"

VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see how this version of Spiffeh is

This is his FIRST post that could be construed as scumhunting - NEARLY TWENTY PAGES INTO THE GAME
and it's a VOTE SHEEPING SPIFFEH
NO original thoughts from scumbear

grumble grumble

VOTE: mathblade

He moves his vote here ONLY BECAUSE LLD tells him to
There is no actual desire to scumhunt

And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

you can't seriously scumread me

that's absurd

AGAIN the LAMIST and super fake indignance at being scumread
NOBODY could read Pooky's ISO up to this point and seriously argue that it's unreasonable to scumread him here

what would I even be SR'd for lol

see above

I am a teddy bear tho

this is when I was attacking him early on, before he realized he was going to need to push me back and discredit me. so he goes for the "i'm so innocent I couldn't be scum" act

Pooky, you worry me.

I shouldn't worry you unless you're scum

in which case

you should be very very worried.

but not really cuz I am a lazy bear who is going to take it easy in his semi-retired old age

I'm going to need more from even a semi-retired bear to have a comfortable read.

I'm waiting for our delinquents to post b4 I present my hero solve

more excuses not to scumhunt

i dont believe you scumread me either lol

you gotta put feeling into your fake scumreads dude

More of his shitty acting that he just CANT BELIEVE someone would be scumreading him!!
note that at this point - 30 pages into the game - he still has not had ANY original scumhunting

this is so bad i think u r trying to make me look bad after u redflip so people will be like. oooh scumtheater

you should go back to that game you tunneled me and study how you sound like when you are town and actually believe you are right lol

LOOK AT THIS OMGUS HERE
he realizes his "friendly bear" act is not working on Math and instead diverts to discrediting
it's the EXACT same tactic he does later with me

Also I am probably soon going to reach my threshold on the number of players allowed to scum read me without punishment. Objectively this is the most obviously town I have been in a game in a year or two at least and I will no longer be tolerating scum reads on me at this time.

Thank you all for your concern in this matter.

I am only giving you a TR because my SRs are full and I will get back to you if any of my SRs flips green and I have a spot open.

what TRs? what SRs? If you read Pooky's ISO to this point, HE HAS NOT DECLARED ANY ORIGINAL READS
HE ONLY SHEEPS

I am always tonally very town

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

etc etc so much of this garbage in his ISO

I'm not nervous your logic is terrible if it's what I think you're implying.
Why would I be coaching Math in thread if we were buddies?

Refuge in Bad Play

This is such a dumb argument anyways
Literally nowhere on site does coaching in the main game thread still happen

are you more insulted by GI's lack of belief in your scum skills

or my belief that you'd actually openly coach a buddy in the thread

or MB's belief that it should be him coaching you and not the other way around?

:3

there's only one correct answer that Town!Cakez would make

terrible accusation calling me a bad player for his stupid accusation that I was coaching Math in thread
This is a key point - this is where he realized he needs to start discrediting me because I am on his ass and his "friendly bear" shtick is not working

math at this point you might as well just claim which scum character you are lol

this is his other attack that he spent a good amount of day 1 repeating - calling Math scum because Math pushed him
Pooky does not have ANY original pushes day 1 - EVERYTHING he pushed day 1 was either a sheep or attacking someone who pushed him first

All of the above
All three of you are clowns

TFW scum!Cake can't figure out how town!Cake would respond and tries goes for the "all of the above gambit"

what the hell does this even mean?

And think of it this way, if Dunn ends up being a mislim (doubt), you get to blame it all on me and call me bad.

It's a win/win.

if I move my vote away from Mathblade LLD will kill me so pretty sure it's a loss bro

This is another key aspect of Pooky's play day 1 that reeks of scum - his whole "i'm leashed to LLD" thing that he pulls out of nowhere. he never even declares it officially - he just randomly decides at some point that he can't move his vote. this is a PERFECT excuse to not take responsibility for what went down at eod day 1.

pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

garbage

We are heartless monsters who only feel pleasure at human suffering and the thought of a willing sacrifice arouses us.

excellent

VOTE: Titus

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS - what happened to being leashed to LLD here?? It's like he's scared to vote me.

I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

trying to chain elims etc etc

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

Look at these shit reads
What are sangres and bork doing in his scumpile? He literally did not mention them before in his ISO to this point.
Math and I are basically OMGUS and then he has Titus who he probably was keeping open to bussing.
VERY SIGNIFICANTLY MASTINA IS NOT IN HERE

all Pooky talks about is how scummy I am and he's not even voting me LMAO

because I am leashed to LLD or have you not been paying attention at all?

I thought you were like super scum reading me

already established this is a lie

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

This is a SUPER IMPORTANT point - this is where Pooky starts to go in hard on his push on me. EoD was coming here, mastina was in the danger zone. I'm guessing she asked Pooky to start helping her try to miselim me in the scum PT.
I'm not gonna quote all of his posts for this but the tl;dr is he thinks I'm faking my read on him. which OBVIOUSLY is not true.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SCUMBEAR
"not wasting posts" fucking BULLSHIT since when have you cared about that??

I've obviously been extremely restrained in my shitposting lol.

my goal was to come in under 125 posts since that is the allotment per player - I was at 110 before logging in today.

I am deciding to go over the limit since the deadline is 11 hours away and we are probably not going to run out of posts to use.

I'm going to stop wasting time talking to you.

Come up with an actual case if you want to prove you are town.

Otherwise this is just feeble and pathetic.

altho I do want to bring this post back up because he totally lies here - he starts attacking me again within like two pages
this was just grasping at towncred for "not spamming"

PART 2 - THE BUDDYING

Spiffeh and Math both kind of just reminding me of their scum game, but on the otherhand, they both appear incapable of rolling town in games I'm in so take that with a grain of salt or 10.

let's be real

Spiffey is allergic to the color green

i feel affected by this AtE

im ready to let him live even if he is scum

cuz he is so interested in this game I'd feel bad almost

Obvious

sisterly love

buddying Math

I am a teddy bear tho

this is also under coasting but I feel it belongs down here too

Oh nachgres do you have any thoughts on spiffeh?

pretty firmly townreading him at this point in the read.

I feel unfairly persecuted by this

maybe you just like spiffs more than me

playing up his "friendly bear" act again

#1 Fiery Fan

obvious

In other news, I think borkjerfkin could be scum. Can we wagon him too?

i support this read

spiffeh might actually be town lol

more sheeping + trying to get into Spiff's pocket

We should totally run that Nuke Meme game back tho :>

appealing to nostalgia

winning is never the point.

having fun is the point

*hugs*

obvious

PART 3 - MASTINA

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear

I am definitely being set up here >_>

Ok these posts are very important as they are the first interactions Pooky has with Mastina in the game thread
Take a look at this interaction - wtf is Pooky even insinuating here? it seems like a fake-ass reaction to those Mastina posts

she might be trying to use SMP against us

but it's also NAI cuz town!Mastina would do the same thing lulz

maybe the readslist is actually inverted

a HUGE fencesit on Mastina - exactly what I'd expect scumbear to be posting here. He leaves himself open to bus her later or stay away if she survives.

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

bringing this post down here as well - note lack of mastina

can we stop the triple posting when we have like 3 pages of posts left.

just write out all your thoughts,

hit preview

think if you want to add anything else

and then write more

and then think

and then finish writing everything out.

this is really starting to get ridiculous at this point.

I want cake blood - I don't think Town!Cake plays his claimed role this way, its just beyond the pale how ridiculous this is to me.

I will switch to Mastina to avoid NL. I will be online at the deadline. I won't be happy about it.

those people not on either wagon need to make up their minds or post some real amazing cases on other people.

A KEY POST towards the climax of day 1
At this point Pooky has essentially gone all in on trying to make me the miselim for the day
But he is not 100% sure I go through
so he has to slip Mastina in here to make sure he can still bus her if needed

CONCLUSION

Pooky did not do ANY ORIGINAL SCUMHUNTING day 1.
The entirety of his play consisted of basically three things - sheeping LLD and Spiffeh, making LAMIST/sadbear posts, and pushing Math and I when we pushed him. There is literally nothing else.
His entire push on me day 1 was constructed as an attempt to save Mastina at deadline, while still leaving himself open to bus if needed. He has basically no interactions with Mastina and what he does have looks like scum-scum.

[SirCakez]

I will now take your questions

[DrippingGoofball]

Anything I should look at in particular?

thoughts on:
Titus
Cakez
Dunn
BM
Pooky
Spiffeh

is what I'd like to see atm.

Titus

- Leaning town atm for earnest, if misguided, VCA. She is treating it as a "game solve" as is her usual m.o. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cakez

- Town by virtue of being the counterwagon to mastina, and general tone and enthusiasm.

BM

- I like BM for town.

Pooky

- Gonna say town for now: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12647693

===========================

Spiffeh

- Something weird.

FEBRUARY 26

- mastina is null.

Town: {Bell,

sangres

, Tammy, Mathblade,

Kitty Trauma Team

}
Townlean: {SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Prism, LLD*}
Null: {Pooky,

mastina

, Titus, GreyICE}
Scumlean: {

quiet

, Battle Mage}
Scum: {Dunnstral}

MARCH 1 2:37 pm

- waffles on mastina yet votes her.

I think mastina's Prism flavor case is trash but I don't think it is necessarily alignment indicative for her. I thought her avoidance of the thread early on could have been scum indicative as I have only seen inactive mastina be scum, but I thought her transition to a more consistent (albeit less than I would like) activity was encouraging. It scares me to say that it's a possibility that all three viable wagons could be Town here.

VOTE: mastina

MARCH 1 2:52 pm

- self-conscious about being a recent vote on mastina???

In post 1837, borkjerfkin wrote:
but i'm more spooked by the last minute shift here than anything else because titus is just sitting there, mastina is MIA, and yet there's momentum
If you're talking about the recent votes on mastina, who specifically are you spooked by on that wagon?

MARCH 1 6:03 pm

- unvotes the scum after 3 hours.

VOTE: Dunnstral

===========================

Dunnstral

- Very cranky, wastes a lot of posts on relative nonsense. Was willing to vote anybody yesterday, but was cagey about mastina. To wit, Dunnstral's #1060:

Yes, I agree

BM's iso is bad

Titus is also bad

I think

sircakez is bad

I'd probably vote for these players today
lld, how confident are you right now?

Mastina not so much for me, but she's weird.

I also don't like the "lld, how confident are you right now?" because that's some pretty sly abandonment of responsibility on LLD. If Dunn is scum; LLD is town.

[SirCakez]

BM - I like BM for town.

can you say more about this? you have some kind of reasoning for all the others

[Titus]

Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

[Bell]

Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

It’s all related to the mason claim and her behavior and timing surrounding it. I think her claim has legitimacy in part because she claimed early, it was unlikely to be a fake claim provided by cabd or penguin and it was proactively done. Eye brows are going to be raised if she lives much longer.

I don’t think this is a productive avenue for exploration.
In your previous experience with lld fake claiming mason, did they do it so early?

[MathBlade]

Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

I mean if Pooky is scum then LLD is scum and vice versa because look back at mason cover post.
You’d have a misdirect useless power for scum in hoods exist to shut down

So like there’s moonlogic then there’s not possible

Like LLD not mason is like just no

[MathBlade]

I mean you’d have to have LLD+Pooky+Prism exactly and I don’t see that happening like at all.

[MathBlade]

What’s more realistic is Dunn + Mastina
Or Cakez + Mastina is scum
Or Titus + Mastina is scum

Hence why I wanna elim in Cakez / Titus as they are the most likely.

Spiffeh backing off Dunn means Titus + Spiffeh is possible but in all those worlds I elim Titus first, if red Cakez/Spiffeh

[Titus]

Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

It’s all related to the mason claim and her behavior and timing surrounding it. I think her claim has legitimacy in part because she claimed early, it was unlikely to be a fake claim provided by cabd or penguin and it was proactively done. Eye brows are going to be raised if she lives much longer.

I don’t think this is a productive avenue for exploration.
In your previous experience with lld fake claiming mason, did they do it so early?

Yes. She was in a hood with Katsuki and convinced them(?) to go along. I'll try to find the game.