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[Day]

I haven’t even been close to hostile, this is some ectreme restraint i’m showing because i simply believe you can play this bad as town.

I did find it strange that he's decided to show restraint here when not doing so would probably get him to townspew.

[Luca Blight]

@Day

Spoiler: reasons for scum!Norwee

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus and it’s too confident for this point in the game.

This is weak, Town!Norwee is better than this

Alisae saying they regret posting when Luca/me were arguing pinged me town as well when thinking back on it, their argument that seeing if me/Luca would bring specific supporters on either team and would have been valuable input, is a town mindset.

Note that Norwegian didn't respond to Pooky's explanation (686) of his SR on Ali here, and instead gives a pretty surface level reason to maintain his stance regardless.

I also dislike Norwegian’s points on Suji

I don’t think getting the game out of RVS warrants Town points, that’s just really shallow

And I’m not SR’ing him for being stilted - that is the counter-argument. I’m sr’ing him for forcing content

It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

You could say that about anyone trying to solve. Just because someone says it’s more likely SvT doesn’t mean they didn’t consider the possibility of TvT.

You're not really pushing this in good faith though, because you're SR'ing Pooky for being sure of his SR but TR'ing Ali when e's the same

And from where I'm standing (as of this post) Pooky has explained his SR a whole lot more than Ali

Using probability of "but it’s always more likely TvT than SvT" just seems a bit odd to me as an leading argument for why you believe Alisae!scum.

Again:

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus

and it’s too confident for this point in the game

.

You seem to imply here that Pooky should be considering the T/T possibility more if he's Town, right?

I wanna give Pooky another chance so...
Suji has not posted since day start and that kinda killed my townlean.
VOTE: Sujimichi

Like this is just so weak lol

Suji hasn't even been online since then

So convenient now Ali and Pooky have made up

So convenient now Ali and Pooky have made up

So what? I think Pooky has been looking more townie and that means scum is somewhere else, Suji not posting means your point about them could have been right.
You’re not trying to see the thread from my town!POV but just assuming i would do this as scum.

It's very convenient tho right? Like just when the pressure on Pooky eased off you also want to give him another chance

Your Suji vote means your earlier defence of them was complete BS, and I knew it at the time. Why would them not posting (check their profile, they haven't been online) mean they are more likely scum? Why does it mean my point about them is more likely right? Expand pls

I think it's worse

Norwee reenters the thread and find the whole Ali v Pooky thing has calmed right down, and decides to follow suit and give Pooky another chance

He then votes the player he had defended from my push against him, and one of the few players he's gotten a townping from, just because he hasn't posted in a while?

To me that makes his earlier defence of Suji seem entirely disingenuous, and his current vote seems like scum who doesn't know what to do so votes an easy slot who won't give them a hard time over it

Norwee SR Pooky for switching to Suji

like it aint no thing

, and he did the exact same. He's making shit up, basically

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually feel a little bad for Norwee as it must suck being caught like this so easily, but I can't help but strongly push my SR

What pisses me the fuck off is your hubris.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't do this "Oh Norwee feels so bad because i caught him shit." It makes me wanna scream at you.

[Luca Blight]

Well I apologize if I've come across that way Norwee.

[Luca Blight]

I actually said I feel bad, because I don't want to tunnel you

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can keep voting me, you can do whateve you want. But don't make fucking assumptions about my mindset like that.

[Luca Blight]

I'm actually trying

really

hard to stay open-minded that I could be wrong

Which is why I keep saying: Ignore me and do what you gotta do if you're town

[NorwegianboyEE]

I apologize in advance, i know i might be sounding really tilted right now. But something about the way you worded that just makes me really mad.

[Luca Blight]

Well again, I didn't mean to offend you or anything so I apologize

[Luca Blight]

Hopefully I'm not wrong or I'll feel really bad now

[Something_Smart]

I believe his frustration is real, but that doesn't make it Townie.

But his frustration is in being inaccurately scumread by someone who can supposedly read him well. If that's real, he would necessarily be town.

[Luca Blight]

I actually feel a little bad for Norwee as it must suck being caught like this so easily, but I can't help but strongly push my SR

I get why this might seem a little condescending but that wasn't my intention

[Something_Smart]

I actually feel a little bad for Norwee as it must suck being caught like this so easily, but I can't help but strongly push my SR

Yeah, I mean, this is the alternative. Maybe it's semantics, but I feel like if this were the case, I wouldn't call his frustration "real", because he'd actually be frustrated about something else.

[Luca Blight]

I believe his frustration is real, but that doesn't make it Townie.

But his frustration is in being inaccurately scumread by someone who can supposedly read him well. If that's real, he would necessarily be town.

Only if it is innacurate, but there's nothing to suggest that's the case?

As scum he'd most likely be frustrated by how I'm scumreading him here, right?

I'm willing to throw the whole defensiveness/frustrated thing out of the window as NAI due to the element of doubt

[Something_Smart]

Yeah I addressed this in my next post

He may be frustrated, but it wouldn't be with you? I'm not sure it would manifest in the same way. Because it would be more "oh shit he caught me, better make sure other people don't buy it" rather than "why is he scumreading me? I'll show him, look at how I resisted pressure in TM"

[Luca Blight]

Mena maybe a little? But nothing significant from what I recall

Set aside Day, would you be more willing to consolidate on menalque with me and ali (and maybe norwee), or does this wagon comp trouble you?

Yeah tbh the wagon comp does trouble me as Norwee and Ali are my top two SR's lol

I'll get to your points on Day in a bit

[Luca Blight]

Yeah I addressed this in my next post

He may be frustrated, but it wouldn't be with you? I'm not sure it would manifest in the same way. Because it would be more "oh shit he caught me, better make sure other people don't buy it" rather than "why is he scumreading me? I'll show him, look at how I resisted pressure in TM"

Idk, I think he could be frustrated with me? Especially if he thinks I'm not SR'ing him for good reasons

There was a player who got angry at me before for correctly meta-reading him as scum, maybe it was TSE? I can't remember exactly

[Something_Smart]

Especially if he thinks I'm not SR'ing him for good reasons

This is a good point.

[Luca Blight]

And given this is in close proximity to the last time I caught him as scum, I would expect frustration aimed towards me from scum!him

Maybe from Town!him as well? But as Town I do think he'd relax a bit more about it

But again, TM etc so maybe NAI

[Something_Smart]

I think my overall conclusion from this is that he's slightly +town. I still feel like the TM comparison is more likely to come from town, but I'll take your word that he might do it as scum.

[Luca Blight]

What other reads do you have, SS?

[Chara]

v/la for 48 hours sorry

[Luca Blight]

I think I just need to take a back seat for a bit and let things develop, the day is still young

I'm off to bed

[innocentvillager]

hello