Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-7

Mariner 4

In March, 1964, Mariner 4 was launched, a mission involving a close fly-by of Mars. This mission sent back detailed imagery and telemetry of a strip of Mars over which the probe made its closest pass, a level of detail of the planet's surface that had previously been impossible. There were no canals. There was hardly any atmosphere. The surface was pitted with craters. And with that, science put the lie to decades of science fiction that had posited a habitable, and even inhabited planet, a place to colonize, an alien civilization. All of those possibilities were put to bed, once and for all.

Or were they?

CreativeName

(3): SAMCRO, Kazyan, WhemeStar

Kazyan

(1): Andante

six pomegranate seeds

(1): CreativeName

SAMCRO

(1): skitter30

Not Voting

(1):

six pomegranate seeds

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 13, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-12 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

SAMCRO has been prodded. If a replacement is needed the deadline will be suspended/modified.
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[CreativeName]

I want to point out that creative is clearly not actually new, the same way that I am clearly not new. New to this website, sure. But the way he talks and thinks he's clearly quite familiar with the game.

Yeah I am not new to the game just the forum games :S, I played with friend circles before

[CreativeName]

CreativeName (3): SAMCRO, Kazyan, WhemeStar
Kazyan (1): Andante
six pomegranate seeds (1): CreativeName

Not Voting (0): six pomegranate seeds, skitter30

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

@fferyllt

, Skitter voted for SAMCRO last I think in 510

[fferyllt]

fixed!

[Andante]

Ok, I see that there's been some major distrust of the way I've played today. You might not want answers from me about that, but I have them.

My "north star" for this game has been the argument between Creative and SAMCRO. I saw SAMCRO go into attack mode and I saw Creative blow up in retaliation, and this whole time, I've remained completely convinced that there must be scum between the two of them due to the veracity of that attack. Therefore, my whole objective for day 2 has been to figure out which of the two are scum. I narrowed down two players that each have a ~50% chance of being Mafia, thus leaving everyone else at a 25% chance, which meant that I didn't care about anyone else--thus the lack of commentary elsewhere. You can

not

take that blowup argument into two rounds of ELo, because unless the town is seriously on top of their game and both peripheral townies take the proper side of the argument, that's just a loss condition. What you

can

do is flip one side of Creative/SAMCRO to try your better 50% odds, and then if they're not scum, vote off the other. Even if you're wrong on your first guess, the ELo you arrive at only requires the correct town deduction instead of two. To me, there was no way that flipping either Creative or SAMCRO wasn't optimal play, unless I could somehow catch the other scum in a pool of twice as many people, which I was really not ready to do. I have a 0% success rate at scumhunting so far.

(The problem with the above plan is that you have to walk up to everyone and say "hey, I'm totally prepared to hammer either of them; I don't care which, lolol". But I can't say that, or everyone turns on me and we lose a townie, which, as I just went over, means that we lose. So I decided to play with that plan, without telling anybody what the plan was. Surprise--that looks super scummy. I'm not great at peforming my towniness, because I care more about getting mafia eliminated than surviving. I gathered a lot of suspicion in Mini Normal 2187 and in Newbie 2054 for this exact problem, and it's recurring. But now I

have

to care about not getting eliminated, because see above.)

What happened next was people splitting down the middle between Creative and SAMCRO--which was bad for two reasons. First, it mant that if a miselimination was had outside of Creative and SAMCRO, there's nothing that Mafia has left to worry about except for an incriminating tracker result. Second, it meant that we didn't even have the votepower to come to a conclusions--two people were MAI.

Once I realized that Whemestar couldn't break the tie no matter who he voted, I kinda started to lose interest, tuned out the peripheral arguments, and eventually started talking about stuff like pizza toppings. No one made any progress on deciding anything, and even the deadline timer froze. I've stopped posting so much because I stopped seeing much of a point.

Thankfully, we got Seeds next. Suddenly we get a strong towncase on SAMCRO from someone who towns very towningly, and provides a new perspective.

I would like for us to come to some kind of consensus on voting. I will admit, forthright now, that I am willing to hammer SAMCRO or to keep my vote parked on Creative, so that we can get both of them eliminated and actually put the game into a winnable state. You can do with that opinion what you want. I very much do not want an elimination on Seeds, Andante, Whemestar, Kazyan, or Skitter. The heat the Seeds has been taking, in particular, is unwarranted.

Ok, I really hate the "well we know sam and creative is a 50/50 for scum, if we vote out town in them just get the other tomorrow" I fail to see how we know for sure there is a 50/50 there, and that literally feels like it's coming from a scum POV. as you explain in the following paragraph, you acted on this plan without telling anyone. Made an agenda. Acted. Decided to not consider any other options?

Sorry, but it really doesn't feel like you're coming from a town mindset here. If you're sus of creative, you can interact with creative, I'd say the same for sam.. but yeah.. I mean, Creative got a lot of pressure put on them, and I didn't exactly see a clear case as to why, so it would make sense for a town to blow up???

Would you like to point to any posts in specific, as to what makes Creative or Sam maf?

[fferyllt]

Searching for a replacement for SAMCRO. If he posts before a replacement is found, he can continue.

Deadline is paused at 1.5 days

[CreativeName]

Oh, is he trying to lurk and it's backfiring or just generally afk

[Andante]

Oh, is he trying to lurk and it's backfiring or just generally afk

This line feels so weird to me... who cares which one of the 2 he is doing. If he does return, I am sure he'll have an explanation.

[WhemeStar]

Can we please vote creative

[WhemeStar]

I’m very confident he doesn’t flip green

[WhemeStar]

Ok, I really hate the "well we know sam and creative is a 50/50 for scum, if we vote out town in them just get the other tomorrow" I fail to see how we know for sure there is a 50/50 there, and

Sometimes things are obvious when it’s town vs town, scum vs scum, or town vs scum. Saying that isn’t really AI

[Andante]

Know what, I kinda just want to hammer Creative. is that a bad thought? Like, we gain something from a creative flip yes?

[WhemeStar]

Know what, I kinda just want to hammer Creative. is that a bad thought? Like, we gain something from a creative flip yes?

I haven’t really thought about what happens if creative flips town because there is no possibility for me that he does.

[Andante]

I kinda like the idea of waiting for sam/sam replacement to talk

[skitter30]

Uh i'm not caught up fully but incidentally saw this

Uh wheme why are you so confident again?

[Andante]

skitter, seeds, please do not hammer creative yet!! I really wanna hear from the sam slot first

[skitter30]

I'm not planning on it. Lets wait for the sam replacement

[CreativeName]

Hammer me if you want, I'll flip green , also sam and wheme very confident I won't is suspicious, Like I said I am not Fully sure sam will flip red but I am pretty sure

[Andante]

I'm not planning on it. Lets wait for the sam replacement

Perfect!!

[WhemeStar]

Every post he makes just reinforces my scumread on him like I don’t see it coming from town

[WhemeStar]

I’m confident in San being green so idrc if replacement comes during day or night unlike the other 2 slots

[CreativeName]

Ok if you don't want me gone just yet that's ok too I guess

It makes me feel happy that I may have a chance to prove my innocence

[WhemeStar]

Ok if you don't want me gone just yet that's ok too I guess

It makes me feel happy that I may have a chance to prove my innocence

This feels so fake

[CreativeName]

Wheme how does it feel fake? also how confident are you that sam flips green, percentage wise?

[skitter30]

Is it had that i'm thinking wheme/sam rn?