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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778

This one

nothing in this game looks like remotely close to the effort he put in as town when I was scum playing against him

the examples that come to mind are:

PYP and Coalition.

Both games he played his heart out and despite being wrong on like so many elims it was still blazingly obvious he was town.

The passion he displayed is just not here, and it's quite sad

[Farkran]

Btw i really, really don't want to metadive anymore, ever again. It's not fun and i don't think it's worth it anymore

I acknowledge that you offered a game to backup your theory though

[skitter30]

I think if he's busy he isnt going to be putting much effort in, but as scum he will *try to look like he is*, and that he'll be political to try to get the players he thinks he needs to tr him to tr him (i.e. often me)

He isnt doing that here, so i think its townie

But fair enuf if you dont want to metadive, fark, or if you want more from him before you tr him, pooky

But i see him starting to collect votes and i just wanted to say that i'm not a fan particularly

I do think lucy is an alt and i also think i know who she is

[Farkran]

I think my towncore is quite solid with Alisae and Luca as firm staples

Day, SS and Norwee now follow closely

Everyone else is game tbh but today i'd like to flip one of menalque and pooky in that respective order.

If lucy is who i think she is, i will bop her as town hard

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sure fark let's go

what do you SR me for?

[Farkran]

sure fark let's go

what do you SR me for?

I never progressed on your read since my last vote on you, but your wagon died and now i think mena is more worth flipping

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just give me a summary of why you want to flip me today.

[Farkran]

Progression alisae was bad

I don't know what scum is doing and you would fit if you were as per your vote history. Other people who would fit have provided reason to be townread

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really think Lucy looks bad in any other way from what i’m seeing, but their take is just... why?

the obvious answer is that you tend to obvtown very quickly under pressure and it's protown to have you obvtown and solve your slot early.

Lucy’s never played with me before though.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok which part of my alisae progression did you not like?

can you explain why it is more likely to be a scum progression rather than a town progression?

I know you've said this before and you can just use your previous quotes if you want, I'd like you to have the chance to present your argument rather than me selectively pick which parts of it to respond to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Mena might be an easier read than Skitter if scum tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i’m not sure i like Skitters defence of Mena. I tend to agree with what other people are saying. Mena hasn’t towntold at all so far, and until he has. There is a big chance he’s just scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena always has a big voice throughout most of his towngames, while his scumgames has big gaps and lacking energy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pooky do you still scumread Alisae or has your read on then changed?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have no idea who Lucy’s alt would be. I thought they were just some new player or someone i hadn’t seen before.

[innocentvillager]

PenguinPower replaces Sujimichi. Welcome him!

[skitter30]

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also i dont expect everyone to agree with me on mena, but i just want my opinion there to be known. Also i disagree with you characetizing mena's scumgame as lacking energy

Pedit! Penguin! * waves*

And penguin is like 12x easier to read than suji

[Farkran]

ok which part of my alisae progression did you not like?

can you explain why it is more likely to be a scum progression rather than a town progression?

I know you've said this before and you can just use your previous quotes if you want, I'd like you to have the chance to present your argument rather than me selectively pick which parts of it to respond to.

729, except the part about Day (last paragraph) because i no longer sr him

And subsequent posts 732, 737, 740 in their entirety

I did not grow past that - i kinda liked your reaction to it in the subsequent pages but see, you have not grown much either

i.e. i thought Day was scum, talked to him, changed my mind

I had doubts about norwee, i've let him talk a bit more, i'm fairly sure he's town

I still have doubts about skitter but she's a hard read, i will probably never have a *strong* read about her and i believe the game will help me later on

[PenguinPower]

Pedit! Penguin! * waves*

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

welcome Pengy!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky do you still scumread Alisae or has your read on then changed?

Alisae has not done anything outside e's scumrange and I'm happy to give e the chance to do something.

E's currently in my win/win bucket because Skitts said E was town :3

[PenguinPower]

pooky and skitteR are town because I want them to be.

catch me up real quick.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky and skitteR are town because I want them to be.

catch me up real quick.

Skitter's probably better with the catchup, I've just been shamelessly flirting with her and haven't really paid all that much attention to the game.

[Day]

Pooky and skitter pushed Ydrasse because she was playing similarly to a scumgame.
Pooky pushed Alisae because they were setting up scummy dichotomies.
Farkran pushed Day for looking like they were forcing content.
Day pushed skitter for play that looked disingenuous/political.
Luca Blight did, and is, pushing Norwee for a lack of brilliant towniness.
Menalque's being pushed for lack of passion by some.
PenguinPower replaced in.
We flip town on Day 1.
Day 2 involved a lot of passionate fights and aggression.
Someone threatens to self-vote and quit mafia if they're wrong about a scumread.
That scumread flips town, and the accuser does not infact self-vote or quit mafia.
Sujimichi replaces back in but this time under Chara's slot.
Sujimichi goes on to deepwolf and finds herself in a final 3 of Sujimichi, LegoLucy, and skitter22.
LegoLucy pulls out her double dayvig, and shoots them both, winning the game for town.

[skitter30]

Day's catchup is excellent, i approve