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[PenguinPower]

ooooh - Day can see the future. Thanks for the info!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like this is EXACTLY why i haven't been attacking your position on alisae -- consistently with your previous votes, i thought that your scumhunting process was to stir the waters and see what sticks, which makes sense from a town perspective

Now though the strength of your case against Alisae gives little room for reconsidering from your part and yet you admitted that you are just probing and you've taken steps back from your case because... Why? Because a couple of people defended er and you're being runned up?

I don't like this at all

ok let me address this then.

The reconsideration part you've cited is silly.

what you claim is me reconsidering is just me answering a routine question from norwee about whether it's possible I could be wrong on Alisae.

I can be wrong on anyone, that much is obvious to me - to insist that I can't possibly be wrong is just incredibly arrogant and imo quite disrespectful to everyone here.

Me admitting as much to Norwee is not me reconsidering on Alisae - it is just me being realistic about the odds Alisae flips scum/town.

You believe that scum!me looked at Alisae and slammed a case on Alisae hoping mis-elim Alisae and then backed off due to some people defending Alisae?

I think that's not a very accurate description of the game state at all.

Let's look at what actually happened.

638 <- my case
701 <- Day votes Alisae
721 <- I respond to Norwee's question and say yea I could be wrong
722 <- you vote me for "backpedalling"

Now notice from 638 -> 721 there are no new votes on me, in fact if anything momentum is on my side as Day joins me vs Alisae ->

There is no tactical reason to backpedal or back off - > no scum motivation to reposition.

There is also timing -> the timing from my case in 638 and what you call "bacpedalling" in 721 is 1 hour and 40 minutes - not even enough time for most of the game to even read and think about my case, so why would I be backpedalling off a strong case that people haven't even gotten a chance to read yet?

The timing and motivation do not fit a scum repositioning off a bad push - if anything my push had momentum as people were joining me on Alisae and noone was voting me for the push at that point in time - so why even backpedal?

Lastly I disagree with your contention it was backpedaling at all.

If you look at the exchange between me and norwee, the original "pooky could be wrong" is about me being wrong on Ydrasse and Alisae not considering that possibility in E's scenarios - and why that was scummy. Norwee followed up by asking about whether I could be wrong on Alisae - and I admitted sure I could be.

Framing a simple statement of fact that I can be wrong as me backpedalling off my case is kind of silly imo.

I understand in this game people need to puff their chests up and exaggerate the surety of their convictions - after all confidence tends to be townread in the current meta and when people are unsure they tend to follow the most confident voice in the room.

That is something I am perfectly capable of doing -> as either alignment, I probably tend to reconsider less as scum tbh.

I have lost many games for being confidently wrong on someone in day 1, I don't want to make the entire game about me and someone I SR, there's no real need for that and if I am wrong then it tends to let the scum obfuscate themselves. So I will vary and lay back a bit.

Overall my biggest issue with your contention that I backed off Alisae for scum!motivation is that it mis-represents the actual game state and flow at that point in time and I have no need to do that as scum, in fact it opens me up to a line of attack that I would not be open to if I had simply stayed on an attacking path.





If anything momentum was

[Day]

on my side.

[Day]

I agree and like that post, I don't see the backpedaling argument from Farkran.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@fark

I just reread every post between

638 (my case) and 721(where you claim i backpedaled)

not a single post from any player in this game adequately defends or rebuts my case against Alisae

there's Chara's reaction:

"why does this progression miss that Alisae was reacting to your scumread on em?"

which completely messed up the timeline since my case is AFTER Ali decides to vote me.

There's SS saying that Ali would emulate ali's town meta

something I easily rebut with quotes from Alisae.

There's not a single post where people debunk my case in any meaningful way.

So where would I even get worried enough to backpedal?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: norwegianboy

[Farkran]

@fark

I just reread every post between

638 (my case) and 721(where you claim i backpedaled)

not a single post from any player in this game adequately defends or rebuts my case against Alisae

there's Chara's reaction:

"why does this progression miss that Alisae was reacting to your scumread on em?"

which completely messed up the timeline since my case is AFTER Ali decides to vote me.

There's SS saying that Ali would emulate ali's town meta

something I easily rebut with quotes from Alisae.

There's not a single post where people debunk my case in any meaningful way.

So where would I even get worried enough to backpedal?

I mean, this is part of the problem

You backpedaled for no reason after norwee's questioning, you weren't offered motives for doubting you read

(I didn't read the post before this though, i just skimmed and saw that you misinterpreted my accusation of backpedaling - give me a minute and i'll read the wall too)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um it wasn't even backpedaling.

he just asked me if I could be wrong on Alisae

and I said yea I could be wrong on Alisae.

That's a statement of fact to a question that I thought was pointless and rhetorical in the first place.

I really don't see how you think of me admitting I can possibly be wrong in a mafia game as "backpedalling"

[skitter30]

Fark i think youre barking up the wrong tree with pooky here tbh

Penguin why norwee?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: norwegianboy

Penguin also blind voted me in a previous game and they were scum.

[skitter30]

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or

[NorwegianboyEE]

Open 795
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or

I’m not suspicious of Luca.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean, this is part of the problem

You backpedaled for no reason after norwee's questioning, you weren't offered motives for doubting you read

um you said I backpedaled because people were defending Alisae and I wasn't going to get an Alisae Elim,

I re-read every post, nobody put up even a halfway decent defense of Alisae.

and in fact Alisae did get a vote and I got none so if anything momentum was on my side at this point.

So your stated motives for scum!me deciding to tack off because of resistance is utter nonsense and a mis-read of the game state at this point in time.

[PenguinPower]

Fark i think youre barking up the wrong tree with pooky here tbh

Penguin why norwee?

2nd largest wagon to you and you're town because i want you to be

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awful.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: norwegianboy

Penguin also blind voted me in a previous game and they were scum.

i naked vote everyone in every game...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Retract any town read i had on Penguin slot prior.

[PenguinPower]

Awful.

awww - don't let your feelings be hurt.

i still <3 you

[skitter30]

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or

I’m not suspicious of Luca.

Are you gonna continue to avoid answering the question or ...
Third time i've asked now

I think i can get a p good read on penguin by letting him play a bit, as an aside

Pedit i figured that's ehat you'd day - fwiw i'm only voting atm cuz i'm sheeping luca. But this interaction is making me like the vote more myself
Pedit2 werent you scumreading the slot earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s not about feelings. You rep into game and only reason you have for voting a slot is because they are a wagon?

[PenguinPower]

yes - in fact, that's pretty much how I play D1 even if I'm in from the beginning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you gonna continue to avoid answering the question or ...
Third time i've asked now

Just because i’m waiting to reply doesn’t mean i’m not going to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pedit i figured that's ehat you'd day - fwiw i'm only voting atm cuz i'm sheeping luca. But this interaction is making me like the vote more myself

Dumb logic.
"Why did you dislike a blind vote on you???! Liking my vote now 8))"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee let's pretend we're all town here

me you pengy skitter

let's talk about

which one of us is the best person to sheep