Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

I found the vig so its a moot point

How? You should only be able to see vanilla or not vanilla

[Nancy Drew 39]

nah this is driver type redirection. 0 reason to change my target from dead to live

That doesn't explain how the rolestopper claim failed on night 2

There would also need to be a strongman/roleblocker

Do we think the scum team is 4 prs? 2 have flipped

That’s assuming the even night rolestopper claim is real. There has been no odd/even night claims other than Gamma’s.

The thing is that’s far too much scum power which isn’t balanced by counterbalancing town power afawk.

A scum team with 1 shot dayvig, role cop, scum bus driver + roleblocker/strongman isn’t balanced against a 1 shot nightskipper, vanilla cop, compulsive vanillaizer, even night rolestopper unless two vt claims are non-vanilla.

But why would scum have a roleblocker with a driver?

No wait, scum was able to kill REK so it had to be Koba who was redirected but an ungated strongman just sounds too much.

Like a 1 shot dayvig, role cop, redirector + ungated strongman? Where is the counterbalancing town power?

Scum PR are so strong but town PRs are either generally weak or (in the case of Italiano) negative utility,

[Fey]

I'm an odd-night doctor

Night 1 was skipped

Night 3 I was on Starcrossed

I didn't get any kind of notification that I was redirected

Because of my role I thought that Kidamn's claim was very believable (it was claimed before the rolecop could do anything, too)

I argued against mafia having a doctor, but my own role and the vanilla cop claim made me think the gunsmith claim was more believable as well

Yo?

What?

[Fey]

KidAmn is the rolestopper right?

We get two protectives and you're like, yeah, that makes sense, so true?

Dunnstral don't do this to me. Don't be scum.

[Dunnstral]

I'm an odd-night doctor

Night 1 was skipped

Night 3 I was on Starcrossed

I didn't get any kind of notification that I was redirected

Because of my role I thought that Kidamn's claim was very believable (it was claimed before the rolecop could do anything, too)

I argued against mafia having a doctor, but my own role and the vanilla cop claim made me think the gunsmith claim was more believable as well

Yo?

What?

odd night protective
even night protective

no?

Two GATED protectives.

weaker than a full rolestopper

[Dunnstral]

Fey to clarify.

I didn't say he was town for sure. I said the role is believable. It fits well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm an odd-night doctor

Night 1 was skipped

Night 3 I was on Starcrossed

I didn't get any kind of notification that I was redirected

Because of my role I thought that Kidamn's claim was very believable (it was claimed before the rolecop could do anything, too)

I argued against mafia having a doctor, but my own role and the vanilla cop claim made me think the gunsmith claim was more believable as well

REK was the obvious kill post flip though but there must be something about KidAm’s role unless there’s a strongman.

[Fey]

Do we have confirmation that it's gated though? I was under the impression it wasn't.

[Dunnstral]

I don't really think kidamn slot fake-claimed their role

And if they're not faking their role, they're more likely to be town just because mafia died at night

[DkKoba]

why werent u on me/kidamn?

[Fey]

Sorry I'm not even thinking about mechanics right now I"m thinking it's a real strange thing to see another protective and instinctually trust it rather than be like "No, that's mine."

[Fey]

Also yeah why STARCROSSED of all people?

That's also strange instead of like, you know, the people who have been pressuring W+P all game or something, or a claimed PR...

[olaf]

you thought both protectives with an ungated gunsmith made the gunsmith claim more believable?
you didn't think that was too much power?
also what do you mean the vanilla cop claim made you think the gunsmith was more believable as well?

[DkKoba]

Or olaf

[Fey]

Also I'm just gonna say that because of the vanilla cop it's probably just like, one goon + 3 PRs.

Or just there to fake us out.

[Dunnstral]

This, basically. Mafia died on night 2.

why werent u on me/kidamn?

To be blunt, I think that Starcrossed is a mason, which is why I protected there.

They don't confirm or deny, of course

I don't think your role is very useful. I didn't think that kidamn would die/they failed to protect someone/I'm not 100% on them being town. I just think the role is really believable

[Fey]

Can someone give me a list of roleclaims for my own sanity lol.

[Dunnstral]

Sorry I'm not even thinking about mechanics right now I"m thinking it's a real strange thing to see another protective and instinctually trust it rather than be like "No, that's mine."

I don't think the two roles are super strong together?

I don't think it's significantly stronger than just having a full rolestopper, or a full doctor

Again, let me reiterate: I'm not sure that Kidamn is town. I am leaning that they are town. I think it is very likely that their claim is real (so they're either scum or town with the role)

If scum have a redirection ability, I'm inclined to believe that the last mafia is indeed a vanilla role

[olaf]

I argued against mafia having a doctor, but my own role and the vanilla cop claim made me think the gunsmith claim was more believable as well

this makes no sense to me Dunny
you really need to explain why you thought two protectives that can cover all nights made you think the gunsmith was MORE believable and not less

[Dunnstral]

you thought both protectives with an ungated gunsmith made the gunsmith claim more believable?
you didn't think that was too much power?
also what do you mean the vanilla cop claim made you think the gunsmith was more believable as well?

Vanilla cop carries a gun. i.e. false guilty
Doctor is a role that never has a gun, which is why I thought gunsmith felt believeable (even though I'm town and don't have a gun, it made sense to me that I'd be made to look suspicious for being doctor with a gs in the game)

[Dunnstral]

I argued against mafia having a doctor, but my own role and the vanilla cop claim made me think the gunsmith claim was more believable as well

this makes no sense to me Dunny
you really need to explain why you thought two protectives that can cover all nights made you think the gunsmith was MORE believable and not less

Roleblockers, strongmans. And especially the day vig flipped. I think that was after the claim though, but I was thinking about that

[DkKoba]

Sorry I'm not even thinking about mechanics right now I"m thinking it's a real strange thing to see another protective and instinctually trust it rather than be like "No, that's mine."

2 protectives are fine. I didnt scumread wnp for being an investigative. There were other reasons

[Fey]

That honestly feels like too much big brain WIFOM for a setup like this, and frankly right now, Occam's razor just suggests to me the doctor is mafia-aligned to avoid the gunsmith and aid the scumteam.

Also, doctor for vig.

KidAmn is townier by virtue of Gamma's... play this game...

[Dunnstral]

also guess what

I didn't want to counter claim anything before I could use my ability at least once

[Dunnstral]

Occam's razor just suggests to me the doctor is mafia-aligned to avoid the gunsmith and aid the scumteam.

But the gunsmith claim was scum