Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[Noraabear]

I'm gonna be honest Noraa, I consider you basically conftown but I think you're chronically incorrect on basically every take you've had in the game

This is quite normal for Noraa if we're honest. It is how I've taken to reading her. <snickers>

who tf are you and why are you butchering my meta? I have had full sets of correct reads before. I just generally don't have that but your perception of my meta is like absolute garbage from what I've seen so far.

In DBZ I called three people scum on day 1 and not a single one was town. One was sk but that's besides the point. I never have reads that people agree with but that doesn't mean they are always wrong. No one agreed with me in DBZ. I got discredited by stupid ass meta users and it took town far longer to figure out the solve.

Like you seem to think the way to solve this game is by discrediting all my reads just because you dont agree with them. If I agreed with all of your reads, you wouldn't be waving around some shitty meta arguments on me. Throw your shit meta arguments out the window and argue why my SRs are town instead of using my meta to discredit me because that is an asshole move regardless of your alignment and also just means you dont respect me.

imma start alt guessing.
And my first guess is DK. Do you know what that means from me?

[Noraabear]

I am beyond pissed at how shitty meta arguments drown my reads out in every game.
Sure, my reads are generally wrong and drowning them out benefits the game but I will never improve if that is the way I am treated in every game because I never have the time to realize why my reads are wrong before I just get drowned the fuck out because no one wants to spend the time trying to deal with "obvtown" or "conftown" or whatever the fuck. If I am truly that obvtown and you all trust me, bouncing ideas off of me is the way to go. Not drowning me out and completely getting rid of my value.

[Noraa]

tbh im not that mad but I won't help if I am not respected

[Superb Subtlety]

Please stop voting S&M

It's not like waiting for people to confirm whether or not they have a video from me prevents S&M being the elim today

[Superb Subtlety]

What it DOES do is either lets me do a cool thing that doesn't even directly benefit me

OR

takes away the plausible deniability that scum have right now if they are hiding a badger video from me, which would mean I could actually get guilties out of this

[Korina]

Korina has dodged the question twice

I would’ve said so if I got it. As well, I already answered the question about any feedback I got, which just stated I got only TFL’s PM. No videos. I would have said “I also got something else,” if I did.

[Korina]

If I got the badger video, I’d have likely assumed it was a flavored FN notification and just said “whoever the badger is, is town,” or something to that effect.

[PenguinPower]

Please stop voting S&M

It's not like waiting for people to confirm whether or not they have a video from me prevents S&M being the elim today

No, but it sure is disengaging. There’s more than just you here.

[Superb Subtlety]

Any knock-on effects to engagement on day 3 are gonna be minimal

[WhemeStar]

Where do we go from here after s&m flip town and ss dies at night

[Korina]

how does ss die?

[Korina]

unless i missed it somewhere, mastina can still target ss

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I'm gonna be honest Noraa, I consider you basically conftown but I think you're chronically incorrect on basically every take you've had in the game

This is quite normal for Noraa if we're honest. It is how I've taken to reading her. <snickers>

who tf are you and why are you butchering my meta? I have had full sets of correct reads before. I just generally don't have that but your perception of my meta is like absolute garbage from what I've seen so far.

In DBZ I called three people scum on day 1 and not a single one was town. One was sk but that's besides the point. I never have reads that people agree with but that doesn't mean they are always wrong. No one agreed with me in DBZ. I got discredited by stupid ass meta users and it took town far longer to figure out the solve.

Like you seem to think the way to solve this game is by discrediting all my reads just because you dont agree with them. If I agreed with all of your reads, you wouldn't be waving around some shitty meta arguments on me. Throw your shit meta arguments out the window and argue why my SRs are town instead of using my meta to discredit me because that is an asshole move regardless of your alignment and also just means you dont respect me.

imma start alt guessing.
And my first guess is DK. Do you know what that means from me?

I ask that you do not mistake me for that cretin. While I respect their game I do not respect their techniques.
I have incredible amounts of respect for you, Nora, in your game and techniques. My butchering of your meta was intended to be light hearted. I know that when you are locked on to a read, you truly become locked on, and you have been getting less susceptible to tunnelling.

In DBZ you were part of a Hydra, when you are combined with another head it is hard to describe what happens, but it is amazing to watch. As it stands, I judge your reads based on how you read me generally. That is an advantage I lack here, as you do not know with whom you share the table with, I cannot judge your reactions to me accurately. While I feel you are town here, I distrust your reads at the moment. I am certainly keeping them in hat, however. Frankly, the day our reads align and we are both town, well that will be a most frightful day indeed!

Superb Subtly so far is town by motive and intent. I find their play suspicious, however, I would like to see where this power goes.

For what it is worth Nora, I was heavily tempted to target you last night and had spent a good amount of the day debilitating. Simply for the sheer chaotic tea party that would have hopefully happened. As I have said previously, I would attempt to lure you back with Ice Cream.

I will not reveal my identity to you until after the game, and I would hope you keep it close. Now if you wouldn't mind, be a dear and pass the cucumber sandwiches? Not a tea party without them you know!

[WhemeStar]

unless i missed it somewhere, mastina can still target ss

Oh I thought mastina was a 1 shot ability

[Korina]

I thought their bp was one shot.

[PenguinPower]

Any knock-on effects to engagement on day 3 are gonna be minimal

so says you

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Spoiler: Lady Mastina's Claim

A PLUME OF FLAMES APPEARS ON THE HORIZON

Nobody died in the night.

ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with

blown away by a high caliber rifle

So I am now doubly conftown from this.

Claim: Phoenix, 1x (publicly announced when consumed) Bulletproof Day and Night Bodyguard

.

During the night, I target a player--that player is, explicitly, protected from harm for that night

and the following day

. (Which means Superb Subtlety cannot die today.) The presence of a scum dayvig confirms that my bodyguard's day-protection ability is real and town.

The announcement was posted, so I was shot last night--

I protected Superb Subtlety N1

. (My role doesn't differentiate between me being directly shot and me being shot in the process of protecting someone, but chances are given the suspicion on me yesterday that I stopped a kill by the scum who tried to shoot Superb Subtlety.)

My NAR priority ranking is 7.

I told you the scum wouldn't be able to stop me and would be caught off-guard.

Why not?

Eh there's actually good reason to not claim some flavors, mine included, since the sort of PR for it is very obvious (tho I assume people will figure it out eventually anyway ).

Phoenix is literally perfect a flavor match for bulletproof bodyguard. Phoenixes are reborn if killed (bulletproof), and are known to be guardians.

I legit actually said this in the first Animals UPick when I submitted the same pick; I said it was a missed opportunity for me to not be either a protective or a bulletproof. (I couldn't think of a way to say that without giving it away tho.) Turns out I got both.

(High chance that if this hydra ever dies it's due to a scum strongman because there's no good reason to not protect them.)

I originally planned to protect Smoke and Mirrors.

Let's light the scum up. <3

Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

I had extra incentive to do so because my bodyguard protects during the day as well. I didn't think there'd be a scum dayvig so I was thinking that meant that day-protection meant that the slot I was protecting couldn't be eliminated...meaning that if I protected them, they would NEED to be town. Thus, I had incentive to townhunt rather heavily. (Granted, I was wrong, the day protection was protection against the vig.)

Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.

I mean trailblazing and lighting the way aren't mutually exclusive.

Pretty self-explanatory.

Krazy gave us the funnest role in this entire game.

I counterclaim funnest role ever.

(Krazy gave me literally the most fun role possible of all time, if I claim it, you'll understand why. )

As for why, I'm going to conditionally explain (ie if SOMETHING specific that I'm looking for happens, I will explain)

You're gonna be awfully disappointed.

I'm never going to be eliminated during the day (tho I will be killed by the scum EVENTUALLY whether they try or not), because people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role.

I do have to use it properly tho and part of proper usage of it is not claiming it.

Ali v Pine called: they want their mastina back. When I said people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role, I was explicitly referring to being a bodyguard in that game and them mislynching me there.

And, one of the main things about my role is that if the scum had a roleblocker they could neuter it--thus why I shouldn't claim it.

Smoke and Mirrors radiate town in a way I've never seen before. They're truly a fire worthy of me, and I am naturally attracted to them as a strong townread here.

This was my way of 'crumbing I was planning to protect Smoke and Mirrors.

I do believe this may well be a Town Aligned Mastina, and I fear I will know for sure come tomorrow.

Well there's like at least a 33-50% chance that the entire town will know I'm town tomorrow, depending on how the night plays out. (I have a conditional way to become publicly confirmed, but it requires certain conditions to be met and those conditions are entirely out of my control.)

The public confirmation is that I'd, after being shot, have the public flavor posted of the plume of flames along with the song being posted.

It being entirely out of my control is because it requires either the scum to directly shoot me or the scum to shoot who I was protecting.

there's been plenty of softclaims.

I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get.

it almost feels like you want to be killed.

Oh I do, by the scum.

It'll be something that they can't avoid doing btw. It'll happen whether they want it to or not, because they can't prevent it. I am going to be killed by the scum; I'm too powerful for them to not.

I just feel like town is weak

Claimed

town might be weak, but I assure you that

softclaimed

town is in fact appropriately strong. My role is legit ridiculously so strong it can singlehandedly win the town the game. Which is why I am so confident scum WILL kill me. (But while softing my role is all good and well, I do want to reiterate that hardclaiming it would actually be very bad on D1.)

Scum can't avoid killing a bodyguard because unless they have a roleblocker, I can protect a player from their nightkill, stopping it dead in its tracks. My role is incredibly strong and can singlehandedly win the town the game, but hardclaiming it on D1 when there's still a good chance of a scum roleblocker would've been suboptimal.

where mastina declared immortality

Funny you should mention immortality given my role.
(I gave Krazy three picks, my first which he went with has a strong association with that word.)

VOTE: Mastina
this is town and anyone not agreeing with it will be looked at tomorrow after her green flip/scum shot.

Fixed that for you.

I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1

It is when you know what the role is and the player handling it.

I can get away with softing it because scum can't do anything about it.

Claiming the role is sub-optimal D1, but it doesn't really matter

that

much--the play is mostly the same regardless of whether I claim it, don't claim it with softclaims, or don't claim it with no claims. I just prefer the middle option because I like to.

I guarantee that were I to claim you would know why I've said everything I have and agree with it, that everything I said was true, that there isn't MUCH of a difference between me claiming it and not claiming it, but that I am right in my assessment that while it doesn't matter much, claiming it on D1 is still notably suboptimal to not claiming it.

Plus, scum aren't gonna

actually

guess my role in spite of the softclaims. They can't. I am so confident that they can't guess my role that it allows me that freedom to softclaim all I like. I can be as blatant as I want with my soft; the scum still won't know what hits 'em until I fullclaim.


Smoke and Mirrors are town by play and town by claim. Their play more recently is less town than I'd prefer, but their early play radiated town in a way I don't think is scum. Even without that, their role is one that I don't think is scum, and we have mod confirmation that it IS a real role. Or close enough. (The mod has confirmed the existence of koalawang being a game mechanic; the prizes for it aren't confirmed but the mod-confirmation of koalawang being a thing confirms the role, the details of the role are frankly irrelevant.)

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

I hinted at my role because phoenixes are strongly associated with immortality. I said that scum would shoot me and that I would be revealed pretty much. I can get away with softing being both bulletproof and a bodyguard because as long as I don't hardclaim my role, it'd be impossible for the scum to guess I was both. They MIGHT be able to guess I am bulletproof; they MIGHT be able to guess I am a protective; they would be unable to guess that I was BOTH. There isn't much of a difference between me claiming and not claiming, but the risk of a scum roleblocker meant it was suboptimal to do on D1.

Here is also the post where I decided to switch in plans from protecting Smoke/Mirrors to protecting Superb Subtlety.

If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference

I mean there's a chance I won't need to--if the mod confirms my claim publicly inthread for me, no need for me to do so.

It's not a surefire thing to happen, but there's a reasonably decent chance of it happening.

So long as I protected the right slot it was pretty damn likely I was going to burn my bulletproof. I correctly identified Superb Subtlety as being the right protection.

Soyeah, this is what I meant on D1.

I'm

pretty

sure, given the suspicion on me D1, in spite of my softclaims scum did not directly shoot me; I'm fairly certain they shot Superb Subtlety, who I then saved.

Mastina was indeed single shot. I do not believe the Lady can target again.

[Noraabear]

I ask that you do not mistake me for that cretin. While I respect their game I do not respect their techniques.
I have incredible amounts of respect for you, Nora, in your game and techniques. My butchering of your meta was intended to be light hearted. I know that when you are locked on to a read, you truly become locked on, and you have been getting less susceptible to tunnelling.

In DBZ you were part of a Hydra, when you are combined with another head it is hard to describe what happens, but it is amazing to watch. As it stands, I judge your reads based on how you read me generally. That is an advantage I lack here, as you do not know with whom you share the table with, I cannot judge your reactions to me accurately. While I feel you are town here, I distrust your reads at the moment. I am certainly keeping them in hat, however. Frankly, the day our reads align and we are both town, well that will be a most frightful day indeed!

Superb Subtly so far is town by motive and intent. I find their play suspicious, however, I would like to see where this power goes.

For what it is worth Nora, I was heavily tempted to target you last night and had spent a good amount of the day debilitating. Simply for the sheer chaotic tea party that would have hopefully happened. As I have said previously, I would attempt to lure you back with Ice Cream.

I will not reveal my identity to you until after the game, and I would hope you keep it close. Now if you wouldn't mind, be a dear and pass the cucumber sandwiches? Not a tea party without them you know!

I don't care who you are. You either don't talk to me or about me or you try to change my opinion. You will not discredit my reads on the side and if the person you claimed a guilty on flips town, you die tomorrow.
Everything language wise from you reminds me of clidd but he told me he didn't wanna hydra me.

[Noraabear]

Anyways you annoy me because I think you're town and that's annoying. Someone go cop this alt.

[Noraabear]

there won't be a scum godfather I don't think so we should be fine in terms of cop results being accurate.

[Noraabear]

VOTE: Nancydrew/pooky

there's an entire guilty on this slot. Why are we not limming it?

[Noraabear]

Superbsubtlely is also annoying + I think they're scum so that's also a problem rn.
Mastina can be off the hook for now but if the tea party is scum, massy is scum with them.

[PenguinPower]

Cuz subtle wants recipients of badger videos to claim so we’re just going to wait until eod...again.

[Noraabear]

penguin can be town for now.
Korina is scummy but I remember TRing them a while ago so maybe town?
whemestar I couldn't be bothered to read because he's too scummy.