Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Pyro]

Why is that so crazy, Toog? If you're scum, it protects you from the potential vig, there's clear scum motivation to make a drive like that. And the drive also dodges KidAmn's rolestopper if for whatever reason he had a mason read on REK.

[Pyro]

You're listing out what we think and acting like it's insane, but I want to hear WHY you think that's insane or a bad play to make for scum

[Pyro]

i'd go for KidAm here but what's the point of even playing in this setup, especially when trying to solve and getting it right is apparently scum indicative. hey nancy, let me know if you want to go kidam

Why KidAmn over Toog?

[Titus]

VLA this weekend. Birthday weekend.

[Pyro]

Happy soon to be Birthday!

[DkKoba]

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

this actually makes perfect sense, also vanilla isn't "clear" but sure.

[Morning Tweet]

toog that plan you summarized both gives you bulletproof and makes the kill on REK a strongman

-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.

I think you're getting vanilla cop mixed up with neapolitan

[Fey]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Pink Ball]

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

Pretty much yeah

[Pink Ball]

I think it's a great scum strategy! Good job thinking on it whoever was.

[Starcrossed]

my first thought with dunn's role was that it reminded me of the dichotomy with sherlock's day vig and the night vig, and exactly one was scum. but i suppose that's for another time

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

and this is actually brilliant??

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

@nancy: do you want us to claim? because we will claim. just give us your blessing

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

pooky and i also co-read WnP's iso a while ago and some notes:

- morning tweet is totally tmi'd town. look at how CONFIDENT WnP was about them being town, and i think this is the classic case of a towny townie looking ultra super towny when you're scum.
- the early "we wanna kill you," from WnP and then fey's push on WnP reads anti-associative. town
- sam had some weirdly friendly interactions with pyro that looked more like buddying than something you would say to a partner. WnP push also looks good here. town
- saudade scumread feels really fake to me. but i think this one is the one they're actually pushing. so, town. this is pink ball now though

clidd!town spewed by sherlock, Dkkoba is probably town i guess because people thought my theory yesterday was dumb + his play today i don't see coming from scum

Toogeloo/Dunn/Sarah/KidAm i think wins it!

also, happy birthday titus!

~mitsuha

[Pink Ball]

My concern is that there's no bus driver and Koba is leading town as scum and got credibility with WPs push.

Ok I needed to take that off my chest. Now that I see it written it looks stupid enough to not consider it.

We're probably on the right track setup wise. And that would mean Tog is confscum

[Starcrossed]

Why is that so crazy, Toog? If you're scum, it protects you from the potential vig, there's clear scum motivation to make a drive like that. And the drive also dodges KidAmn's rolestopper if for whatever reason he had a mason read on REK.

toog that plan you summarized both gives you bulletproof and makes the kill on REK a strongman

-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.

I think you're getting vanilla cop mixed up with neapolitan

i guess this theory makes for great scumplay, especially if toog was a potential vig target

i still don't FEEL like this flips scum personally, but it's whatever, the facts are here and the majority thinks so

~mitsuha

[Dunnstral]

my first thought with dunn's role was that it reminded me of the dichotomy with sherlock's day vig and the night vig, and exactly one was scum. but i suppose that's for another time

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

and this is actually brilliant??

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

@nancy: do you want us to claim? because we will claim. just give us your blessing

~mitsuha

pooky and i also co-read WnP's iso a while ago and some notes:

- morning tweet is totally tmi'd town. look at how CONFIDENT WnP was about them being town, and i think this is the classic case of a towny townie looking ultra super towny when you're scum.
- the early "we wanna kill you," from WnP and then fey's push on WnP reads anti-associative. town
- sam had some weirdly friendly interactions with pyro that looked more like buddying than something you would say to a partner. WnP push also looks good here. town
- saudade scumread feels really fake to me. but i think this one is the one they're actually pushing. so, town. this is pink ball now though

clidd!town spewed by sherlock, Dkkoba is probably town i guess because people thought my theory yesterday was dumb + his play today i don't see coming from scum

Toogeloo/Dunn/Sarah/KidAm i think wins it!

also, happy birthday titus!

~mitsuha

For me to be scum with Toog I'd have to be pushing/bussing my whole team at one point this game

I'd argue that the town vig (with claimed modifiers) is for the driver and the night skipper is for the day vig

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Off the top of my head alisae is a mod who would make the setup multitasking for scum more often than not

Toogeloo hasn't answered for the gunsmith thing that was pointed out. Why did you ask for the gunsmith to be executed?

[Dunnstral]

- morning tweet is totally tmi'd town. look at how CONFIDENT WnP was about them being town, and i think this is the classic case of a towny townie looking ultra super towny when you're scum.

Their role is messenger in a game state where one scum is a driver

I don't think combined messenger/driver is a role

For them to be scum there would have to be 4 prs on the scum team, too

- the early "we wanna kill you," from WnP and then fey's push on WnP reads anti-associative. town

Fey also has a power role that makes them not scum, but with extra reasons

[Dunnstral]

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

And what about the rest of their play?

[Dunnstral]

It's not a mech guilty, but it's really likely for it to be scum due to mafia potentially trying to protect from the vig, along with not knowing dkkoba's role would give them the exact person they target and maybe not expecting them to target REK

I think they are worth voting without the information from the redirect

[DkKoba]

My concern is that there's no bus driver and Koba is leading town as scum and got credibility with WPs push.

Ok I needed to take that off my chest. Now that I see it written it looks stupid enough to not consider it.

We're probably on the right track setup wise. And that would mean Tog is confscum

lol if this flips town im looking at u next.

[DkKoba]

Also dunno if it means anything but iirc titus uses the term moon logic often so for toog to pull that out feels like a lowkeh slip so im not feeling that theyre flipping town

[Toogeloo]

Why did you ask for the gunsmith to be executed?

Because I thought it was scum.

[Pink Ball]

You don't scare me Koba. You tend to bully whoever says something bad about you, so I don't feel threatened.

[Pink Ball]

VOTE: Toogeloo

This is the correct thing to do, not Sarah, 'cause I agree it could be KidAmn

[Starcrossed]

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

And what about the rest of their play?

i think their play has been fine. at some points i.e the one where they were like "just execute me," feels good, even. the stuff sherlock said about toog also didn't look partnery, even though it's true that's not enough for a clear

It's not a mech guilty, but it's really likely for it to be scum due to mafia potentially trying to protect from the vig, along with not knowing dkkoba's role would give them the exact person they target and maybe not expecting them to target REK

I think they are worth voting without the information from the redirect

the vig part i agree with, but now that i think about it, i'm concerned about:
- bussing a town!toog with REK also bypasses any protection, cause there's no way toog gets protected
- with how scumread toog was, i could see him getting copped. and koba is a vanilla cop, right, so maybe scum didn't expect them to be told who they copped and wanted to fake guilty him by implying he lied about his vanilla

it's all just about the vig protection. i don't think this is "confscum"

~musk

[Nancy Drew 39]

The Fey Reads List

Townreads:
Pyro
Pink Ball
DkKoba
Dunnstral
Morning Tweet

Meh:
KidAmn
Starcrossed

Scumlean:
Clidd

Scumreads:
Toogeloo
SaraharaS

This is ordered, top to bottom.

so we share the same hard-townblock, my poe has had 2 scum so far, your bottom reads excluding me include the rest of my poe (+the backup poe) and i've apparently done 'nothing'. you're saying 'it's more likely sarah bussed her entire scumteam the whole game than being town with good reads lol' because why exactly?

are you actually serious right now?

vanilla cop will still be important since the vanilla cop claims result before the rest of massclaim

Flip clidd

italiano on fey, gunsmith Akarin, rolestop {pool of S&W and Sarah}, replacement vanilla cops Olaf

Lock?

?

Anti-associatives with Clidd unless you think Krazy would hardbus here, which I doubt.

Both Toog and Sarah were pressuring me to end the day, so I’m thinking possibly last two scum?

Nancy, try playing vanilla in one of these vs games before you try and attack me for not wanting every fucking day to last two-weeks of waiting for the stump. it's incredibly demotivating beyond the point of being remotely enjoyable. nothing about this setup is even close to fun and i'm not joining another one even by request like i did the last two

I get you’re tilted but that unfortunately does nothing to help with my read on you. And we already had a slot who tried to hard pressure me flip scum, so why wouldn’t that make me suspicious of you? I think there’s a diver amongst the vts unless it’s actually just Starcrossed but I can’t see scum!Pooky tell Olaf that Kanna’s mad at him. I think that’s a towntell for that slot, so that means a non-vanilla amongst the vt claims and we know it obviously can’t be Toog.