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[Luca Blight]

This situation*

[skitter30]

Honestly i think he's just busy irl, see the recent panic room when je was scum but couldnt play due to busy-ness - when he *was* around, he actually efforted and tried to make himself look townie and solving

Here he just doesnt care. I think for him, in that context, this is townie
[Redacted] supports that as well

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And: :) ~on the road to hell~

I think if he's busy he isnt going to be putting much effort in, but as scum he will *try to look like he is*, and that he'll be political to try to get the players he thinks he needs to tr him to tr him (i.e. often me)

He isnt doing that here, so i think its townie

But fair enuf if you dont want to metadive, fark, or if you want more from him before you tr him, pooky

But i see him starting to collect votes and i just wanted to say that i'm not a fan particularly

I do think lucy is an alt and i also think i know who she is

[skitter30]

luckily i already had that quoted ...

[skitter30]

I’m not really SR’ing Mena based on meta, I just think he’s been scummy generally.

I don’t feel he’s been genuinely solving

and his stance on me/Norwee was so bad

he's not but i'm saying it's nai

hsi stance on you/norwee was kinda bad but it's not out of line with how i think he'd probably react so meh

[Farkran]

i have experienced her scumgame only once, i didn't townread her but also didn't manage to catch her.
not that i plan to use meta here.

Lucy: did you explain the process of scumreading skitter for WKing Mena, while voting Mena?

She defended him in a way that I didn't see her doing as a pair. People have pointed out she'd probably bus and I agree.

I've scumread skitter more throughout the game so it didn't take much for me to switch.

I think I've been over it but I'm in a mood to talk about this game ad nauseam kinda, somehow.

.....
isis
.....

this. is. not. how. he. approaches. this. as. scum

luca and fark and norwee are citing like six-month old meta and saying that he's scummy because of it
i'm citing things that happened literally last week and the week prior and am trying to say that they're all hopelessly out of date at best and are scumreading him for not looking like his classicial town meta when i dont' think he would here *as either alignment*

why on earth any of you think you're more of an authority on this than i am is utterly baffling to me

given that context of course i'm gonna defend him from nonsensical pushes that are ridiculous, no? what do yout hink i should do, just sit here and let you misflip him? like .....

and if i did i'd get called scum who's sitting here
y'all have set up a dynamic where i'm wrong no matter how i approach this

and i'm telling you lot that you're. wrong. on. mena. anyways.

Ok

But your take on Lucy is still terrible and it does not feel like you were pushing her way to save menalque

That's the reason why we're scumreading you now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would skitter scum pump the brakes on a mena town miselim that is lookjng likely to go thru? this table is stacked af - there is not a single lhf. you think scum will fight agajnst a miselim on town that hard?

No lhfs what

The suji/PP slot has been the epitome of lhf since the beginning of this game, besides mena

And PP was on the mena wagon

Pedit: i'll be with you in a minute, almost over

skitter has a very good track record reading PP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mena also has the ability to "obvtown"

he is a player with a very distinct town/scum meta

[Luca Blight]

Ok Skitter, i can kind of see why you TR Menalque based on that

Gun to head i’d say he’s Town rn but I really hope he will step it up at some point if he is

[skitter30]

The hedgy language in this post and the assumptions about Luca's attentions were really TMI. A really unnatural thing about it a relative lack of content on Norwee, which was not instinctive for me as town, instinctively I wanted to be transparent about how my thought process compared and contrasted with Luca's. If Luca suddenly dropped support, I'd have more to explain on my own progression, skitter doesn't.

This wagon is soooo safe.
And I don't think she expects it to last a long time.
Idk I feel like there's a lot about this post I can't quite articulate it has qualities where it is "fine" that I think are explained by skitter not sucking at the game of mafia rather than this actually being the healthy way sheeping occurs.

- i didn't have any scumreads at that point
- the hedgy langauge thing is literally how i type and this is another thing that i'm baffled that you're dinging me for, but i will complain about it at greater length at the other post that i saw you write about my writing
- luca is obvtown. i'd love to hear more why me saying that is 'tmi' over 'having a strong townread'. you keep doing this thing where you're ascribing scummy motivation to my posts over ... just town playing but aren't explainign why it's more likely to come from town than scum
- i don't know why i shouldn't sheep someone i'm strongly townreading when i don't have any other scumreads i'd like to pursue
- he's probably better at reading nor than i am

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This is one of those posts that makes me feel both that skitter/mena can't contain 2 scum and skitter likely contains one scum
Who writes a quadruply hedged scumlean post? The timing was weird to me too.

But it's part of what I was talking about in terms of her trying to get interactions that are favorable to her instead of trying to solve the game.

She doesn't present some small minor point to kick off this dialogue which is more towards what I'd expect a transparent townie to do. She just starts this totally open-ended interaction with Menalque that can go, like, lots of places she could want it to?

IDK I don't feel either of these are amazingly easy to articulate.
She's really deficient on townblocking the segment of the game that seems like it deserves to be townblocked, to me, that does some of it for me.

mena doesn't really have any content so what am i supposed to interact with really?
easiest way to go about it is just say that he feels weird and see how he responds and go from there

scum-him also is gonna try to buddy me hard, especially if he isn't really planning on playing this, but *he didn't* in that interaction, and he's being very, very, very open and blase about the fact that he's not playing - scum him would be more defensive about it, and would be trying to look more like he's trying
he's not tho, so even tho he didn't really give any more content or anything in that short interaction, i thought it was townie for him, because he didn't hit any of the points that i'd expect from scum-him there

the timing was that he popped in and was around so wanted to talk to him while he was there, else he might vanish again for like three days, which is exactly what he went on to do ...

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and your townblock is horribly misguided and/or contains scum so yeah it's hard for me to vibe with that so like

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@ luca more on mena above

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

disagreed with lie she dayviged the person who put the wagon to e-1 or disagreed with like she said "i know he's scum because i played with in this completed game some of y'all are in, now join me on this wagon I know approximately zero of you like :upside down smile emoji:"

i dont get this


im highlighting to norwee which scenario is better for skitter to push towards


my read on her is based on how i would play her slot if i were scum

[skitter30]

Ok

But your take on Lucy is still terrible and it does not feel like you were pushing her way to save menalque

That's the reason why we're scumreading you now

beause her take on me and mena was terrible ....
i mean from my perspective how do you think her take looks ...

and what exactly is my motivation for pushing her as scum again if i'm not trying to save mena, which i believe was the prior motivation ascribed to me?

[Luca Blight]

Damn I’m getting Town pings from Skitter

Who tf is scum this game

Skitter thoughts on Chara?

[Farkran]

Mena actually you maybe feel a littlw scummy to me (?)
I'm not sure tho

(To be clear i'm not like pushing you per se but rather want to try to get a better vibe)

Yes basically. Probably isnt ai
Honestly you being so blunt abt it makes me feel better

Actually before we go on speaking

Could you explain to me why you were scumleaning menalque up to this point if you say that he's been through hardships/change of playstyle during the past week?

Please share your thoughts prior to posts 1144, we understand that *now* you've changed your mind but i want to know about earlier

[skitter30]

i feel like you've decided you want to scumread me and are thus working backwards to find reasons to justify it

so uh, question here, while i'm catching up... hasn't lucy been scumreading you to some degree most of the game? at the start, there was a bit of like "oh this is a little towny" but then it went to "i'm unsure" in 755 and then from there it's been a fairly consistent scumread? like, i guess the wording of this post implies a sense of it being recent to me but there's... progression there, even if it's in the gimmicky typing style

why would lucy decide to not go with the earlier tr and just keep off of your radar? knowing now who it is lucy is capable enough to go toe-to-toe, sure, but that seems like a lot of unnecessary effort instead of what she's done this game about your slot imo?

yes but i'm saying that i felt her read was always unsubstantiated

[skitter30]

the fact that he wasn't doing anything but i couldn't tell which alignment it was more likely to come from yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scum!skit does wk town!mena here, she's done that with me in our newbie game together

no

scum skit does not wk mena here

esp to become primary push on a town elim

what players do in newbie games and what players do in a loaded game full of good players is completely different

newbies are impressionable enough and green enough that WKing is a very good strategy.

that is completely not the case at this table.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

I mean i made a promise but why is anyone else townreading pooky now?

Man this is terrible...

why dont you engage with skitters point on why lucy is scum instead of just shading her.

[Farkran]

Ok

But your take on Lucy is still terrible and it does not feel like you were pushing her way to save menalque

That's the reason why we're scumreading you now

beause her take on me and mena was terrible ....
i mean from my perspective how do you think her take looks ...


This is how you see it:

right, the person she just voted to e1

I can sympathize with reading two players independently and not doing pre-flip team reads but I agree it is a little jarring in this case.

she's literally going: e-1 mena
and then shortly thereafter saying that i'm scum trying to pocket him

why and how she switched from one to the other isn't clear, and those universes don't make sense to believe in at the same time

And this is scummy how...?

i.e. in what universe scum!lucy unvotes town!mena to go on a crusade against town!skit?

and what exactly is my motivation for pushing her as scum again if i'm not trying to save mena, which i believe was the prior motivation ascribed to me?

taking credit for wking town while pushing a useless wagon on lucy?

I mean your vote on lucy is probably the worst take in the entire game so far and i think you should see that? I would think you'd have reconsidered by now but the fact you aren't sounds like you are grasping at straws rn

[skitter30]

I actually am getting some Town vibes from Menalque

The thing is, if Mena is town then his towngame has completely degenerated and become this lazy: "sure wagon me i don’t rly care" style where he doesn’t want to try anymore.

And Skitter professing this is absolutely 100% town Mena does give me bad vibes it could be a townflip with Skitter setting up to look good with a townflip. But then again, it would be like 50/50 then, when originally my confidence was a lot higher. So i think it’s a good thing you unvoted because there’s clearly something fucky going on and i don’t know if it’s because Mena is just scum, Skitter is scum chainsawing, or it’s SvS somehow.
If both town it would be weird because something about Mena/Skitter interactions feels fake/like one is pocketing another.

it has in some games, yes. i'm not sayign it's a good thing but it is what it is and scumreading him for this when i can point to several recent towngames that look like this is kinda silly, no?

and i'm not just going to sit here and let y'all misflip him for being underperforming

and on his side ... he literally always does this thing where he townbings me till like day3, it's being going on for over a year now ...

[skitter30]

ffs

[skitter30]

farkran i feel like you're trying not to udnerstand me almost

[skitter30]

i'm on a not-try-hard trajectory, which i think explains most of that, and if you are who i think you are you should be cognizant of that

and yes i understand that you guys aren't gonna like that i'm calling you out given the mutual townreading you have going on, but that's how i see it

Extreme frown

again missing like two months of context but ok

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and what r u even talking about

why would scum pooky be voting/pushing town lucy when lucy has been one of the slots defending/buddying me the hardest from d1?


your takes are ridiculously bad right now farkran.

only increasing my conviction you are scum at this point.

[skitter30]

the interaction between mena/skitter is pretty common for the two of them in a game together.

mena literally has the same stance towards skitter every game.

and i dont see scum skitter brake pumping a mena mis elim this early in the game esp at a stacked table.

like i'm not the only person saying this so why all of you are coming to the conclusion that this means i must be pocketing or white knighting him is baffling to me

[skitter30]

i also want to say (again) that i think that posting in an intentionally opaque fashion after other people have said it's hard to parse is scummy, even if it's a gimmick
(especially if it's a gimmick)

I’d argue the opposite.

ok and i can pull up several games of examples where i've seen this happen so