There are many inactive slots, so I can see town sort of shutting down.In post 2323, VP Baltar wrote:Would love to hear your explanation for that.In post 2319, midwaybear wrote:I want to say that scum probably are more comfortable posting right now while town just don't really care.
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I don’t know why my voting pattern matters as much for my argument. I have been defending Dunn for example because I believe there’s Scum on the Italiano wagon, and the same wagon practically speaking isn’t going to result in a Scum execution. That in and of itself should tell you that I am acting consistent with my thinking as it pertains to that wagon. My vote will sometimes go to who I want to sort better and think is Scummy, and not be completely fixed on the one argument I’ve made. Unless I thought the entire Scum Team was on the Italiano wagon, and I don’t believe that, then it’s not really a great argument you’re making.In post 2341, VP Baltar wrote:
Yeah, you voted me after I pointed this out, as far as I recall. I'd like you to explain your reasoning prevoting meIn post 2337, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m voting for you. So you can drop this now.In post 2334, VP Baltar wrote:Btw, you still haven't explained why you wanted to focus on the Italiano wagon and then voted off it.- Datisi
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why were you trollingIn post 2343, midwaybear wrote:
Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.In post 2340, Datisi wrote:where is andres setting himself up to vote you?
can you explain why you think scum is more likely to be posting in a slow game like this and why are you suspecting the three of us, beyond "they are posting"?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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And DGB has pull why? They just replaced in, and haven’t done much of anything. And I clearly backed off of them.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:except there were mutliple people voting and/or showing interest in them and dgb calling for more votes- midwaybear
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Just want to have some fun.In post 2352, Datisi wrote:why were you trolling
can you explain why you think scum is more likely to be posting in a slow game like this and why are you suspecting the three of us, beyond "they are posting"?
I mean the reason is literally that you are all posting which is why it was a snap reaction. I don't know whether this is truly the case or not. If I continue to live, my reads should change.- Datisi
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ok i missed the pagetop
disregard the middle q
what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking? like in my exp that's usually what happens
pedit: this is an addition to 2352I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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I literally just wrote that it could be a psychological trick. I’ve already added the caveat you’re using to diminish the point I was trying to make.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?
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not necessarily but if they're town it's still a town voice encouraging votes. and you backed off them after they claimed, no?In post 2353, Andresvmb wrote:
And DGB has pull why? They just replaced in, and haven’t done much of anything. And I clearly backed off of them.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:except there were mutliple people voting and/or showing interest in them and dgb calling for more votesI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- midwaybear
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Because scum might fell self-conscious about lurking. I know that you and VPB are generally quite active, so I imagine that it would be hard to lurk as scum, especially in a good position.In post 2355, Datisi wrote:what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking?- Andresvmb
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No. Maybe look again.In post 2357, Datisi wrote:not necessarily but if they're town it's still a town voice encouraging votes. and you backed off them after they claimed, no?- Datisi
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yeah, i know. but you also wrote "it's not survivalistic on the surface", which made me think you were thinking that's the depth of my thoughts there.In post 2356, Andresvmb wrote:
I literally just wrote that it could be a psychological trick. I’ve already added the caveat you’re using to diminish the point I was trying to make.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?
And Green Crayons also made a PR claim that made people back off them, and it doesn’t really say anything about their alignment. Yet you don’t have a problem there why? Because you were neighborized?
because green has kinda done things this game? and their screaming match with you was the opposite of survivalistic?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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ok yeah this was a brainfart of my endIn post 2359, Andresvmb wrote:
No. Maybe look again.In post 2357, Datisi wrote:not necessarily but if they're town it's still a town voice encouraging votes. and you backed off them after they claimed, no?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- VP Baltar
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I'll tell you what I think.In post 2347, Andresvmb wrote:You’re really Scum aren’t you? I backed off GC, and said that after their claim I re-evaluated. And the claim did need to get pushed - they were hiding an important part of their claim.
You may be scum here who is eager to expose as much town info as possible. You couldn't fucking stand that GC wouldn't say who was in the neighborhood, but you think an unpressured self vote, doc claim is obviously real? I have a hard time believing either of those come from a town mindset.YOUR AD HERE- Datisi
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i just spent like almost 3 days not posting in this game soIn post 2358, midwaybear wrote:
Because scum might fell self-conscious about lurking. I know that you and VPB are generally quite active, so I imagine that it would be hard to lurk as scum, especially in a good position.In post 2355, Datisi wrote:what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking?
but even running with that argument, i don't see how our current activity is +scum as opposed to nai? unless you're implying that we wouldn't be as active if we were town which likeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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This isn’t going to go anywhere, and I’m a bit tired of engaging in this back and forth. I am interpreting Cookie Monster’s claim + self-vote to be coming from a place of injured pride / hurt. They’ve expressed similar feelings ever since I dismissed their reads list, and they read genuine to me. They could be a trick - that’s not out of the question. And VPB is correct in saying that it’s erratic. But I personally don’t see it as survivalist. I have been wrong in reading emotion before so this could be wrong. But since VPB, who I’m SR’ing, seems so intent on tearing down the claim, it makes me want to believe it.In post 2360, Datisi wrote:
yeah, i know. but you also wrote "it's not survivalistic on the surface", which made me think you were thinking that's the depth of my thoughts there.In post 2356, Andresvmb wrote:
I literally just wrote that it could be a psychological trick. I’ve already added the caveat you’re using to diminish the point I was trying to make.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?
And Green Crayons also made a PR claim that made people back off them, and it doesn’t really say anything about their alignment. Yet you don’t have a problem there why? Because you were neighborized?
because green has kinda done things this game? and their screaming match with you was the opposite of survivalistic?- Andresvmb
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So I’m what, the fourth player that after expressing some mistrust in your direction, you feel the need to find some bullshit excuse to SR? Noted.In post 2362, VP Baltar wrote:You may be scum here who is eager to expose as much town info as possible. You couldn't fucking stand that GC wouldn't say who was in the neighborhood, but you think an unpressured self vote, doc claim is obviously real? I have a hard time believing either of those come from a town mindset.- RLotus
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Still working with a townblock of VPB, Datisi, Andre, Cookie, GC. VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.
Meaning I think the scum is in Dunn, midway, maxwell, DGB, and Momrangal.
Considering Dunn, DGB, and Maxwell are on the midway wagon, I figure there is probably at least one scum on midway. I'd prefer someone like dunn, maxwell, or dgb currently.
VOTE: Dunn
I was happy with Duchess being town beforehand, so the claim kind of confirms it for me. I really wish he didn't claim tho.- VP Baltar
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Because it's not consistent with what you said your own mindset was. If you believed there was scum on the wagon that were voting Dunn up, then you as town should have obviously voted there. The problem for you was that the people who fit that bill the most were Datisi, lotus and myself.In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t know why my voting pattern matters as much for my argument.
Datisi and myself are harder votes and Lotus was a townread of yours iirc.
It literally didn't make sense at the time, and I think you're trying to force it to make sense now. I'm asking you to actually explain your logic here because I want to know if you were scum or town bullshitting. I'd honestly prefer if you're town to just admit you weren't making sense there, rather than doubling down and saying that defending Dunn is somehow logically the same as hunting on the wagon, because it just isn't.YOUR AD HERE- Andresvmb
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I know my alignment. Everyone pushing trash my way isn't town. I'm happy to call bullshit when I see it. You don't get a pass because others have done it.In post 2365, Andresvmb wrote:
So I’m what, the fourth player that after expressing some mistrust in your direction, you feel the need to find some bullshit excuse to SR? Noted.In post 2362, VP Baltar wrote:You may be scum here who is eager to expose as much town info as possible. You couldn't fucking stand that GC wouldn't say who was in the neighborhood, but you think an unpressured self vote, doc claim is obviously real? I have a hard time believing either of those come from a town mindset.YOUR AD HERE- Andresvmb
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The problem is that you and everybody else seems to want easy answers. It’s like oh I thought Scum was on the wagon, so I immediately should have restricted all of my attention and focus to figuring out who on the wagon was Scum. When that’s not how I operate at all, and it’s a very narrow way of looking at the game.In post 2367, VP Baltar wrote:It literally didn't make sense at the time, and I think you're trying to force it to make sense now. I'm asking you to actually explain your logic here because I want to know if you were scum or town bullshitting. I'd honestly prefer if you're town to just admit you weren't making sense there, rather than doubling down and saying that defending Dunn is somehow logically the same as hunting on the wagon, because it just isn't.
I can pursue whatever avenue I want to figuring out who is Town and who is Scum. Even if I maintained that the Italiano wagon had Scum, there’s nothing wrong or illogical with trying to sort certain slots I found Scummy outside of the wagon. This isn’t complicated. I can do it, and then return to the voters on the wagon and decide that maybe I should be pushing there again. The timeline of how I approach that process is meaningless. Because again, unless I was arguing that the Italiano wagon contained all of the Scum, and I wasn’t, I can probe whoever I feel like.- VP Baltar
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What's my scum motivation for that?In post 2364, Andresvmb wrote:But since VPB, who I’m SR’ing, seems so intent on tearing down the claim, it makes me want to believe it.
If I'm scum and I know cookie is town, then cool for me. Free claim. I could then move on to forcing another person to claim today and I can sort out priorities with NKs. This is exactly what I'm saying you're doing.
Town absolutely has reason to at least question why cookie would claim there. There was no town motivation behind it.YOUR AD HERE- Andresvmb
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mind talking about this? earlier in the day you had him as a stronger townread, what's making you shift here?In post 2366, RLotus wrote:VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Andresvmb
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Yeah see but here’s the thing. I actually haven’t pushed anybody to the point where they might claim. Just because Green Crayons did it out of turn and without intent to hammer, and Cookie Monster did it after I had unvoted based on their emotional reaction, then you really can’t make this argument in good faith.In post 2371, VP Baltar wrote:I could then move on to forcing another person to claim today and I can sort out priorities with NKs. This is exactly what I'm saying you're doing. - Andresvmb
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