Mini Normal 2200 | Game Over

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:
i'm willing to acknowledge that maybe isis is jsut really not good at reading me
(cough)

i dont' know who to vote rn tho

[Menalque]

i'm probably not voting nor rn tho

u TR him or just feel strongly enough on Lucy?

[Menalque]

well I guess that answers that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe I'm biased but knowing that Lucy is isis inclines me more towards just bad than scum

isis is not bad...

[skitter30]

she has a lot of very odd misconceptions of how i play as town tbf

[NorwegianboyEE]

I continue to not understand how this is Menalques townplay.

[Farkran]

fwiw i also feel like farkran's push of me is agenda-driven in that i feel like he *should* be able to see and understand my pov here but resolutely is not

i also feel like he's imagining what he would do as scum in this circumstance and then calling me for not playing that way almost? idk unless i'm not understanding. but like he has some model in his head of what i'd be doing here but because i'm not playing that way i'm scum

Ok i've calmed down a bit and catching up, i'm still somewhat salty but i refreshed and saw the argument is still going on and i don't want to have 20 more pages to catchup if i come back later

This is a decent explanation of why you would scumread me, but even if i do apologize for my earlier behavior, i still do not see why lucy is scummy, i'm sorry.

Allow me to explain myself better:
- i can see why you think she's *wrong*. This is easy - her case about you pocketing menalque is silly. Note that her case has nothing to do with mine for sring you, they are completely separate and independent.
- i can see why town!you would get mad at lucy. This is also easy and i think it somewhat justifies an impulsive vote on her.

However i cannot yet understand why, assuming you were on a cool head overnight (roughly 8 pages ago now?) how you are still believing that her vote switch was scummy. It just... isn't. It only makes sense if she wants to save menalque too. And you believe with all your might that menalque is town so why would she.

Do you really believe that scum!lucy would put town!mena to e-1 and then switches over onto you? Just tell me if you still believe this is the case.

Anyways, VOTE: pooky. I've made up my mind and his vote is ten times worse than yours given that he wasn't even mad and he didn't make even the slightest attempt at understanding the situation, not when we were arguing about alisae nor now. Is there any interest?

I still believe 1 scum in mena/skit, either one would make sense with scum!pooky, i'm open to vote there if the opportunity arises again

Not interested in voting Chara rn but i see Luca's points. @Chara please change my mind and tell me why pooky is town

[Something_Smart]

I still believe 1 scum in mena/skit

Well surely if there were exactly one it'd be skitter, no?

[Menalque]

maybe I'm biased but knowing that Lucy is isis inclines me more towards just bad than scum

isis is not bad...

she is notoriously awful when it comes to reading me (and maybe skitt too I guess?) over the course of numerous numerous games

[Luca Blight]

I continue to not understand how this is Menalques townplay.

This reminds me a little of the Large Normal where you said similar about Nero

I'm probably gonna have to meta-dive Menalque at some point. Again, I'd really appreciate him stepping it up if he is Town

[NorwegianboyEE]

maybe I'm biased but knowing that Lucy is isis inclines me more towards just bad than scum

isis is not bad...

she is notoriously awful when it comes to reading me (and maybe skitt too I guess?) over the course of numerous numerous games

My reads and Lucy's reads are quite similar.
How come she get's the "just bad at reading me treatment" but you think i'm scum for voting you?

[Menalque]

I'd really appreciate him stepping it up if he is Town

if I wanted to be TR I prob would be and that should tell u something

[Menalque]

but like anyway parroting "do more, mena" isn't actually gonna make me do more and also isn't like helpful to sorting me or whatever

[Something_Smart]

do more, mena

[Luca Blight]

You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.

i guess this game deserves some effort. i'm as of yet unconvinced that you could be

this

convinced Lucy is town from the rest of the game, but i'm also not sure at you two would be scum together.

pedit: hmmmmmmmm

Again, very underwhelming and basically fence-sitting while maintaining their position

[Menalque]

How come she get's the "just bad at reading me treatment" but you think i'm scum for voting you?

bc u feel more like ur justifying it for bad reasons because u want to vote me whereas isis reads like she's maybe just wrong

but ur thing of "oh this isn't town mena this is nothing like him" when you have people who frankly know me better explaining to you that while my general tone and affect aren't pro-town for me, they're very much NAI

[skitter30]

Ok i've calmed down a bit and catching up, i'm still somewhat salty but i refreshed and saw the argument is still going on and i don't want to have 20 more pages to catchup if i come back later

This is a decent explanation of why you would scumread me, but even if i do apologize for my earlier behavior, i still do not see why lucy is scummy, i'm sorry.

Allow me to explain myself better:
- i can see why you think she's *wrong*. This is easy - her case about you pocketing menalque is silly. Note that her case has nothing to do with mine for sring you, they are completely separate and independent.
- i can see why town!you would get mad at lucy. This is also easy and i think it somewhat justifies an impulsive vote on her.

However i cannot yet understand why, assuming you were on a cool head overnight (roughly 8 pages ago now?) how you are still believing that her vote switch was scummy. It just... isn't. It only makes sense if she wants to save menalque too. And you believe with all your might that menalque is town so why would she.

Do you really believe that scum!lucy would put town!mena to e-1 and then switches over onto you? Just tell me if you still believe this is the case.

- i mean i didn't really cool off overnight; i think it's kinda obvious i was still annoyed about it this morning (i.e. what you're citing is around 8 pages ago now)
- i have now cooled off and am willing to admit i may have been annoyed / tunneled (see unvote above)
- her vote on me was awful and i really disliked it, yes
- i still have hard time understanding how she can go from e1 on mena to calling me scum for pocketing him in like a page. i similarly still don't think it makes sense for me as scum to be pocketing or whiteknighting him either when i could just .... let him eat the misflip
- i still think there's scum on the mena wagon
- aside from all of that i still don't fully understand how you're reading me

[Menalque]

do more, mena

I mean I sent an email that I should have sent ages ago for a reference so I guess I am already?

[Day]

This game is so entertaining, I had way too much fun catching up on all that. I was starting to think I might've been the crazy one and the legendary 1800 was actually scummy when all of skitter/Pooky/Chara were vehemently against me, so it's relieving to see Farkran/Norwee/Luca come in and mirror essentially everything I was thinking on the matter. The way the factions have developed in this game are really fascinating, this is most interesting day 1 've been in for ages.

skitter's venting I actually find pretty towny, in that her exasperation indicates she truly does believe in the arguments she's making, so if she's scum, she thinks she's actually completely in the right here, or she's just town. Farkran is obvtown. Luca is still obvtown. Norwee still town and the mind melding helps a lot. Pooky 'm not as sure on but pushing and calling Fark scum probably doesn't have much scum motivation there even if I completely disagree with the reasoning? I townread him less than I did before though. I don't hate Luca's take that it's a TvTvTvT. skitter being the least confident because that's a recent change in heart and the rest of the game's content and uneasy feelings do still exist.

Uh, what else. Chara! Chara, Chara, Chara... I found Chara's vote on me really strange as well, and the way they framed how they disliked me reconsidering while they agree with the reasoning which made me reconsider is weird. They said town sometimes doubles down on reasoning and is antagonistic, and are applying the inverse to say me

not

doing that is scummy, when I don't think they should be applying the inverse there?
I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?

[Day]

VOTE: Chara

Out for now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have made it very very very clear why i voted lucy and your continued pretending like i dont is just comical at this point fark

[Luca Blight]

but like anyway parroting "do more, mena" isn't actually gonna make me do more and also isn't like helpful to sorting me or whatever

What is gonna make you do more and help sort you?

[skitter30]

VOTE: day

[Farkran]

I still believe 1 scum in mena/skit

Well surely if there were exactly one it'd be skitter, no?

Maybe. I still scumread menalque in a vacuum.

Skitter can be *extremely* stubborn when she townreads people, and i know she can be wrong as well. Her take on lucy is still bad but i feel safer on pooky now

[Menalque]

ydrasse I fell asleep listening to the songs you posted (specifically the muse number is when I passed out)