Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[Kazyan]

Whemestar has been awfully quiet

[six pomegranate seeds]

like given the andante kill *now* it looks like we're in 2a and there really is a tracker out there who didn't cc you but like you couldn't have known that yesterday from a town perspective

Is this a town slip? Skitter is probably good enough to fake this as mafia - kill the only possible tracker and then act like there is a tracker waiting out there when they are really mafia and know its 2c. But it does actually read town in hindsight now that I actually understand wtf is going on. But that's something I could think to fake as mafia, although I do think it is town leaning.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Okay my huge paragraph was a joke skitter I'm tracker and I saw you visit Andante

gg you tried

Seeds for the sake of my sanity I need you to clarify if you're joking or not

This is actually a town slip btw, it just didn't come from the person I needed it to come from because you are already town SMH

[skitter30]

i mean im not intending that as a townslip but i still can't tell if we're in 2a or 2c

[Kazyan]

Is there a towncase on Whemestar? We have one for Skitter now, so I want to see if we can come up with a town reason for Whemestar's behavior. If not, then I say we just lock that in as our solve and hope to god we're right.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Thinking back on Skitter, if she's going for a hard-alignment strategy, she's been doing it for literally the entire game. I'm not sure if scum can play counter to their own playstyle consistently for that long, even SEs.

Is Skitter's playstyle really to distance though? That specific line in this specific game "I wouldn't TR me for that I distance really hard" pings scummy actually.

When I am really feeling myself as mafia and my partner is a noobie I actually do hard TR them on d1 and then protect them the rest of the game and just go for ML after ML. It's good manners imo to hold your noobie close and give them their first scum win.

Do we have any completed skitter scum ISOs that I could look at to get a sense of whether skitter does normally distance? I wonder if it means anything that creative actually had a skitter scum ISO on hand, how on earth do you find such a thing? But given that it was illegal there was no way that Skitter gave that to him. Actually given that Creative did that illegally does that make skitter more townie I wonder? If he and skitter were plotting in a night chat she would have told him off, or maybe he did it organically with no planning? But skitter could have maybe given him a completed skitter scum ISO for creative to bring up if it was planned.

[skitter30]

i usually do distance and can and do bus really, really hard if i feel it's warranted
(aside not to toot my horn too much but i'm regarded as one of the better scum players on site rn)

in newbie games i try not to bus, i feel like it's against the point of the queue tbh, and wouuld try to do a mutually townread thing if possible, kinda like you just described. i feel this very strongly

i have a lot of quotes talking about how i approach scum in and out of newbie games that i can compile later when i'm on a pc as well

[six pomegranate seeds]

I wonder if it means anything that creative actually had a skitter scum ISO on hand, how on earth do you find such a thing? But given that it was illegal there was no way that Skitter gave that to him. Actually given that Creative did that illegally does that make skitter more townie I wonder? If he and skitter were plotting in a night chat she would have told him off, or maybe he did it organically with no planning? But skitter could have maybe given him a completed skitter scum ISO for creative to bring up if it was planned.

Actually I wonder if scum Creative would check with scum skitter in the mafia night chat about whether what he was doing was illegal before posting that ISO. Maybe that gives skitter some town points.

Is me speculating about this illegal?

[six pomegranate seeds]

Whemestar has been awfully quiet

This is NAI he's just not here imo.

[skitter30]

no that's fine
also this setup has daytalk btw

[six pomegranate seeds]

Is there a towncase on Whemestar? We have one for Skitter now, so I want to see if we can come up with a town reason for Whemestar's behavior. If not, then I say we just lock that in as our solve and hope to god we're right.

I can give this a try for a bit, let me think on it.

[Kazyan]

For completed games where Skitter is scum, the most recent one on Skitter's wiki page is Mini 2049.

[skitter30]

yeah that's very out of date, i'll try to compile some more recent ones

i'm looking for the game where i talked about my approach to bussing in newbies but i'm having trouble finding it, give me a sec

[Kazyan]

Do we think that Skitter would go this far out of her way to explain that what she's doing right now is consistent with her scumgame? I still can't see through WIFOM very well.

[six pomegranate seeds]

For completed games where Skitter is scum, the most recent one on Skitter's wiki page is Mini 2049.

I'll look at this and then try to town case wheme.

Tbh skitter I'll be really impressed if you are mafia. Sussing wheme when he was yelling to hammer your partner is a really strong play if you are scum. Nerves of steel at 549 if you are scum. I double checked the logs to make sure you actually sussed wheme before andante did, if andante did it first then whatever, who cares about echoing. But to have the other SE in the game calling to hammer your partner scum when there's seemingly no other viable vote other than your partner - that's quite a strong play. This is actually mitigated by the fact that creative has the Tracker claim for free since we are in 2C, since if you are scum you know he likely won't actually be voted. So actually maybe it's not as townie as I initially thought.

[skitter30]

Subject: Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

and that's why i was so wishy-washy around him day1
i prob would have bussed in other games in that scenario but i feel like it goes against the purpose of the newbie queue to bus your newbie partner without, like, communicating with them about it, so i didn't because he had gone awol

so i left just enough room that i could hop on later if needed (which menalque pointed out) but didn't go hardcore on the bus, which left me in an awkward place

also all 3 cases on me were p good imo

oh here we go, this was harder than i thought

and i just feel lke you shouuld have the proper context

i probably tell creative not to do that if he'd have run it by me first, and while i townread him i don't think i townread him that strongly

idk. take that as you will, feel free to ask me any questions
i won best scum here a ocuple of years back for a game where i hard-bussed both partners day1-day2

[six pomegranate seeds]

Do we think that Skitter would go this far out of her way to explain that what she's doing right now is consistent with her scumgame? I still can't see through WIFOM very well.

I mean if skitter is scum all she has to do is play nice with us and sit back at this point, all of the game solving info is already on the table and she has me seeming to side with her. I don't anything from this day skitter besides perhaps the 2A thing leaning town is that alignment indicative.

[skitter30]

yeah basically
if i'm scum i'm close to winning it and i just need to not screw it up at this point

town-me (which is what i actually am) feels p good about both of you town so i'm thinking creative + wheme rn

[skitter30]

ok i actually gotta bounce and do irl things now but if either of you two have questions for me please post them, at this point you're basically deciding the game i think

and if you change your mind on me please give me the oppurtunity to post first since it is elo and one vote on me and we lose

[Kazyan]

I don't think I'm gonna change my mind on you at this point, Skitter. We just had like 6 new pieces of town evidence for you in a row, and this just...

I mean, it's Creative/Whemestar. And if I'm wrong, you deserve the win.

[six pomegranate seeds]

I don't think I'm gonna change my mind on you at this point, Skitter. We just had like 6 new pieces of town evidence for you in a row, and this just...

I mean, it's Creative/Whemestar. And if I'm wrong, you deserve the win.

This is where I am at as well. But I am reviewing the game skitter posted for now and thinking on it. We should be patient and use our time imo Kaz, at least let Whemestar post and defend.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Part of me will be mad salty if skitter is mafia and i came into this game hard voting her and then she turns out to be mafia but that is just me being salty lol.

[WhemeStar]

Am I being trolled

[WhemeStar]

I catch scum on like page 5 and the reward I get is being their partner

[WhemeStar]

I thought it was fairly obvious who scum were but I guess not