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[clidd]

You got a report about his alignment?

[clidd]

By the way, Gretchen, which point of my behavior reflected you as towny/why? (expand impression)

[Dannflor]

actually

Night 1 psychologist fits weirdly well with the novice detective but ehhhhhhhh

[Gretchen]

that too but they did claim after i claimed so doesn't mean as much. i think they're just town for the way they're acting though

[Gretchen]

By the way, Gretchen, which point of my behavior reflected you as towny/why? (expand impression)

keeping track of all your reads and dynamically changing them. also how you moved bugspray up after they called you scummy and said the read thing you were doing was scummy

[Gretchen]

Update:

{April Ludgate} {bugspray}

{geraintm}

{MiniMegabyte} {Klick}

{Amélie}

{AliceK} {Gretchen}

{HypoSoc} {RLotus}

↓

{DrippingGoofball}

{Da Dude}

clidd can you do more than posting this list?

you made a bunch of nice posts with content to analyze and then i explaiend why they are all scum looking and you gave an unprovable excuse and have not made any post with more than one line or a readlist ever since and i really don't like it

Update:

{bugspray}

↑

{April Ludgate}

{geraintm}

{MiniMegabyte} {Klick}

{Amélie}

{AliceK} {Gretchen}

{HypoSoc} {RLotus}

{DrippingGoofball}

{Da Dude}

10/10

[Gretchen]

Amelie wagon anyone?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: amelie

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: amelie

[RLotus]

Amelie is town, then.

No way all 4 PRs are real and I'm inclined to believe Solon is town so.

[Gretchen]

it's dumb to find the maf in the PRs right now when they have to kill them for us anyway. why's Amelie town?

[Amélie]

From the past few pages Gretchen looks the worse for giving dripping goofball a pass for a clear attempt to fake defeatism. I have zero doubt that behavior can come from town but I find it so unlikely that a town pr would act like that under pressure. I will try to check in every day but I guarantee nothing so if a claim is needed, I'll provide it now if two people reply within five minutes.

[geraintm]

I got a green light on Lotus

Maybe it would be wise to soft it, but actually you were acting very suspicious so probably there was no point to do that.

catching upi from where i last left off.
this post confused me as seemed to be written about the future on something that already happened.

Add this to a long list of games where I fucked up a PR.

I'm

Night 1

Psychologist

and I investigated the NK'd player.

Dannflor is scum PR, put two and two together, bye, see you all in the dead thread.

VOTE: DGB

anothre role i had to go look up what it did. is this role just a one shot cop then?
why you so down on yourself, because you picked someone who died??

@Dann I don't really care for you going into detail on roles or claims other than is this 100% accurate scum caught or no?

I'd say very rarely is anything 100%, even cop guilties run into the possibility of millers.

However, I'd say this is greater than 90% and DGB's reaction does not decrease that at all.

VOTE: amelie

??

Just vote me, I want to go on mafia hiatus, I am a town PR but was tracked to the dead guy, I really suck at the game, kill me it'll improve my odds of winning.

NAI but don't think like this regardless. What I've seen so far I don't think the visit was a bad choice from a town sense. The kill on the other hand, I'm still working this one out as nothing jumps out at me to why this slot was a target, maybe something from Klick.

this feels like VFP trying to justify still voting for dripping goofball

VOTE: Amelie

Goofy's defeatist nature and self trashing i hardly ever see come from maf like this

because i agree with this

the thing is... I didn't track DGB

so it's weird it assumes I did

oh. there i was assuming the simpler things in the game and people tell me it is more complicated than that

Amelie is town, then.

No way all 4 PRs are real and I'm inclined to believe Solon is town so.

it's dumb to find the maf in the PRs right now when they have to kill them for us anyway. why's Amelie town?

kinda want to back up gretchen here.

[Not_Mafia]

Amélie's prod is rescinded due to me forgetting about her v/la.

[VFP]

this feels like VFP trying to justify still voting for dripping goofball

I'm not voting DGB?

[clidd]

I liked the explanation, although the "keeping track of all your reads" point is something that scum tends to do more than town (and I think it's unusual for you to interpret it as towny).

But the rest of the description strikes me as transparent, considering that you were objective and cited a specific example.

[clidd]

I imagine that your interpretation of my

"I'm doing something scummy and Bugspray recognizing this is +town for him"

is probably an attempt to assess whether that kind of thinking would make more sense to come from a town or scum mentality. The empathetic nutrition of my reasoning and classification as coming from town is difficult to produce if you are starting from a perspective that already knows my alignment, which makes me think that your reasoning is genuine.

You can still be scum if there are some mechanics that make you not know who your partners are and, consequently, come from an uninformed/genuine pov that seeks information, but this is a scenario that should be more evident in the sense of veracity when a scumflip occurs. By occam's razor you're more likely town than not.

[clidd]

Dann, what do you think of DGB's AtE?

Does it changes something in your mechanical guilt?

You are a social player and I think your reads are more important to you than mechanics.



The angle in relation to the non-elimination between claims is interesting, Grechen, but it is very likely that there is one camouflaged scum among tprs and the pool is smaller for evaluation compared to scumhunting outside the claims. If we can distinguish scum among the quartet, we are more likely to hit scum imo.

[RLotus]

it's dumb to find the maf in the PRs right now when they have to kill them for us anyway. why's Amelie town?

Because you, dann, and dgb jumped on the amelie wagon and it seems likely to me that one of you are scum.

[VFP]

Unless none of them are scum...
Or a bussing happened.

Does Amelie look town anyway?

[Gretchen]

From the past few pages Gretchen looks the worse for giving dripping goofball a pass for a clear attempt to fake defeatism. I have zero doubt that behavior can come from town but I find it so unlikely that a town pr would act like that under pressure. I will try to check in every day but I guarantee nothing so if a claim is needed, I'll provide it now if two people reply within five minutes.

Amelie's OMGUSing but instead of being honest about it and saying it's because she doesn't like my push on her, she's making up some weird reason lmao. like multiple people had that reaction to DGB, not just me, are we all sus?

VOTE: Amelie this is maf

[clidd]

Amélie is definitely more aggressive in this game compared to her scumgame in our past experience.

This can be suggestive if scum!Amélie chooses not to be so aggressive to avoid retaliation, especially with two players who have seen her scumgame (April/me), but it is difficult to say for sure without a behavioral analysis between town!Amélie and scum!Amélie.

For those interested, these are the only meta examples that I have about her:

Towngame>

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Scumgame>

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[AliceK]

Amelie wagon anyone?

Hmm, that's actually an interesting wagon. I can't really see anything suspcious in how Amelie developed her reads.

[Gretchen]

think about it clidd. Amelie said i looked the worst from the last few pages because Goofy's defeatism was thaat fake. but if she finds Goofy's defeatism that fake she should think Goofy looks the worst from the last few pages, not me.

[Gretchen]

it's a convoluted reason to OMGUS instead of reacting like how i think a town would OMGUS. feels like maf