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[PenguinPower]

That's never a scum role because there's no reason to make a scum roleblocker disloyal because there's never any reason for scum roleblock a partner, meaning that modifier is only ever helpful on a town role

MEANING, a rolecop can essentially confirm me as town if they exist

I mean - that’s the very reason to make a scum roleblocker disloyal.

Hmmm....

[Menalque]

Or it’s within that territory, whatever

[PenguinPower]

Look at that - a pagetop with a some semblance of content.

[Day]

That's never a scum role because there's no reason to make a scum roleblocker disloyal because there's never any reason for scum roleblock a partner, meaning that modifier is only ever helpful on a town role

MEANING, a rolecop can essentially confirm me as town if they exist

I mean - that’s the very reason to make a scum roleblocker disloyal.

Hmmm....

It's redundant or bad design or whatever, the modifier adds unnecessary complexity but doesn't do anything if on a scum role

[Day]

The problem is that this is also what you’d fakeclaim as scum

Why? Because innocentvillager is a crazy designer?

If we're lucky there's a rolecop and I can just be checked

[Menalque]

If there is a rolecop and that rolecop is in the group of players I think are scum then I want to lim you then the rolecop claim

[Day]

Right...

[Day]

Thing is, why do you say that if you think that's a potential gambit before seeing if it actually happens? Don't you want scum to do that and saying that discourages them?

[skitter30]

Is it bad that i think that role is all but useless in anything but very niche circumstances and isnt necessarily worth saving?

Gonna unvote tho cuz im not really monitoring this rn and i'll check back in later
UNVOTE:

[Luca Blight]

The wiki seems to suggest that disloyal can be a scum modifier as well

I’m not sure I’d want to bet the game on you being Town based on a rolecop check?

[Day]

Yeah, it's a lot more useful if scum isn't aware of it because they might claim to be roleblocked a certain night I targeted them during massclaim which will essentially guilty them since town wouldn't be roleblocked

Now, it's pretty much just for trying to snipe the person making the kill

[Farkran]

I believe Day trueclaimed but the claim itself is nai

What's the case against Day?

pedit: i guess i and skitter really see the game under a completely different light

[Day]

The wiki seems to suggest that disloyal can be a scum modifier as well

I’m not sure I’d want to bet the game on you being Town based on a rolecop check?

It's not just about the disloyal modifier, Luca

A Scum Disloyal Rolestopper for example would make sense. That's a power that's useful to target town or scum with, depending on the circumstances, but for balance reasons has been given disloyal so it can't target partners

A Scum Disloyal Roleblocker doesn't make sense because there's never any reason to roleblock a partner, so the modifier serves no purpose

[Luca Blight]

I’ve seen modifiers that have no purpose in normal games though

[Day]

Like?

[Luca Blight]

For example I’ve seen back-ups for roles that don’t exist in the game

Sometimes they throw in red-herrings like that

[PenguinPower]

Like?

Enabler with no primary role to enable. Backup with no primary role to backup.

Like you said, the disloyal is weird on a scum roleblocker, but would somewhat nerf a town rolecop because of the same thought process.

[PenguinPower]

I’m going to get my COVID vaccine, back in a bit.

[PenguinPower]

Is it bad that i think that role is all but useless in anything but very niche circumstances and isnt necessarily worth saving?

Oh yeah, real quick. Nope - not bad.

[Day]

For example I’ve seen back-ups for roles that don’t exist in the game

Sometimes they throw in red-herrings like that

That's a red herring, it serves some purpose and makes players believe that role might exist

Why would making a scum roleblocker disloyal serve any purpose? There's nothing to think about there, there's no herring to paint red

[Luca Blight]

To provide a false sense inno from a rolecop? Idk

[Day]

I guess

[Farkran]

Like?

Enabler with no primary role to enable. Backup with no primary role to backup.

Like you said, the disloyal is weird on a scum roleblocker, but would somewhat nerf a town rolecop because of the same thought process.

If memory serves i think there are no instances of any of those in the normal archives

[Day]

Is it bad that i think that role is all but useless in anything but very niche circumstances and isnt necessarily worth saving?

Oh yeah, real quick. Nope - not bad.

Probably don't claim something this useless if 'm claiming a PR as scum fyi

[Luca Blight]

I’m sure there have been other games where there have been pointless modifiers as well, I’ll see if I can remember