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[Luca Blight]

You feel like you’re being so short-sighted right now though

I’ll read your push in the game again and see

[Menalque]

In which case my earlier townbloc is an embarrassment

Da

[Chara]

Norwee, could you quote/point me to specifics about Mena?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm still open to listening to arguments on why Day would be scum.

besides that i don't townread them, they've felt off in a way that is alleviated only sometimes when i talk to them/they explain their behaviour. i don't feel like they're sorting as much as playing to be townread, and it just seems very... neat.
i would have expected hypothetical reasonable town Day to consider why i felt them off or scumread them, especially since they have said they're faking their tone/were treating a player like they knew she was town. but it feels in general like they're pretending to understand less about how i'm playing than they do.

if Mena is scum then i would feel a lot better about Day, but i'm not convinced he is.

This does seem like an sincere explanation of a read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And here i honestly and sincerely believe Menalque can be scum.

Interesting that the word is “can” not “is”

Things like this for example is why i scumread Mena. Here he is nitpicking words and is using that to justify his read on me.
It just reads as extremely OMGUSY.

[Chara]

i'm going to take a break and post later when it doesn't take a few million years.

pedit: :>

[Luca Blight]

Reading your Nero push in that game just makes me SR you even more Norwee

It’s light years from what you’re showing here

[Luca Blight]

Anyway I’m gonna leave it there for tonight

My theory is that Norwee/Day + Pooky or Farkran is the scum team

I’ll write up why tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In particular i think he dug himself down a hole when he voted lucy - lucy hasn't been scummy and i believe even skitter came to understand that (correct me if i'm wrong here) yet pooky keeps saying Lucy's votes follow a scumdriven agenda - like, what agenda is scum!lucy following exactly with her vote pattern? I've been asking for an explanation for a billion years but the answer is always the same, "lucy has an agenda" - supported by non-significative absolute wording like obviousz/ridiculous/terrible without backing them up with actual explanations

this take is so so so so so bad

Lucy has been townreading me almost all game.

I have 0 incentive as scum to vote her or push her.

Lucy and you had a conversation a while ago right after this vote count:



You and her were discussing who to kill between Skitter and Mena.

I felt it was a fake conversation.

Everyone should go back and read this conversation between Lucy and Farkran.

Fark is for eliminating Mena

Lucy is for eliminating Skitter.

Neither uses very good reasons to convince the other that their preferred elim is more likely to be scum or the better elim.

It felt to me like two scum discussing their dinner menu.

I called out Fark during this convo and called his talk of "are we really flipping skitter" a WK soft defense,

His response was that he was actually considering voting her - an idea that I did not get from that convo at all.

Anyway sometime after this, Norwee/Luca find themselves voting for Mena - pushing him up to E-2, then Lucy who wanted skitter over mena jumps over and puts Mena at E-1.

I do not think her posting makes it clear how she makes ths switch in preferred elim from skitter -> mena - it feels like a vote of oppurtunism.

Farkran is also at this point putting pressure on Ali/Others to vote Mena.

This is what I would call a push to kill.

Two people directly oppositional to each other leading competing wagons suddenly converging at a moment of opportunity to push the easiest mis-elim without a good reason - there's nothing in the thread posted between Lucy/Fark to make one think that they reached a break through on why Mena is the better elim. So why does Lucy switch to Mena? The simplest explanation is that she saw the opportunity to take the kill shot and she took it.

When skitter arrives to hard pump the brakes on the mena wagon and claim he's probly town etc - Luca unvotes, this relieves the immediate pressure/danger and Lucy switches from Mena back to Skitter and claims Skitter is trying to Pocket Town Mena.

How does Lucy go from believing Mena is scum and deserves to be rush-elimmed to believing Mena is town being pocketed by skitter?

It's not like Mena posts some heartfelt plea or defense in the meantime to make people think oh this guy is definitely town, if anything his posting is atrocious.

Like that doesn't make sense to me ~> the real issue I believe is Luca's unvote making Mena not as likely to be quick-elimmed there - the ground has changed here and hence they back off and begin pushing a different narrative.

Fark/Lucy have felt to me to always be looking for which elims are

viable

, which elims are

easy to push through

and not which elims are likely to flip red.

His arguments against me have felt disingenuous, fake and misrepresentative of what I am saying. He has not tried to understand what I am saying - he just continues to attack me from an assumption that I am scum, because it doesn't fit his narrative to actually look at what I am saying about him.

[Alisae]

norwee + day feel aligned

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean, pooky has been arfing at skitter's feet ever since page 5 or something, it would have been an immense scumtell if he went against her to vote town!mena

this is also a huge mis-representation.

it assumes that I am worse at mafia than skitter and won't go against her in a mafia game.

it is patently untrue.

in the last completed game where me and skitter are both town.(FL vs Hectic)

my reads were much better than hers.

I had dannflor as scum and she said no.

I had catboi as scum and she said no.

we ended up killing both of them over her protests

She knows this, I know this, There is no universe in which its a scumtell for me to disagree with skitter's reads and push them dead.

like you're just making shit up at this point

[Alisae]

pooky-norwee-day?

[Alisae]

not sure how I feel about that

[Alisae]

well this team is def shit if day flips town so...
VOTE: day

[Something_Smart]

Interesting that the word is “can” not “is”

"do"

[Alisae]

pooky-norwee-day?

does this make sense to people or??????

[Luca Blight]

Yes that was the team I said, but possibly Farkran instead of Pooky

[Alisae]

pooky's approach to me is way more suspect

[Something_Smart]

She knows this, I know this, There is no universe in which its a scumtell for me to disagree with skitter's reads and push them dead.

Skitter, confirm/deny this? Would you have scumread Pooky if he had pushed Menalque?

[Alisae]

or would norwee be the better vote here actually.
Man I'm really not sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee/luca arguing over the definition of a crumb is super funny :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Town!Norwee wouldn’t be so short-sighted as this

He just wants to focus on one slot he feels he can elim, rather than solving the game on a deeper level

you have some really weird expectations about norwee's town skill level lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky-norwee-day?

uh I would've just hammered mena if i was scum and he is town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

She knows this, I know this, There is no universe in which its a scumtell for me to disagree with skitter's reads and push them dead.

Skitter, confirm/deny this? Would you have scumread Pooky if he had pushed Menalque?

you're kinda missing the context in which town!me pushed dead 2 people town!skitter was townreading and they both flipped scum in our last completed TvT game so there's no reason for her to think me pushing people dead over her objections is scum in and of itself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky's approach to me is way more suspect

lol what r u even talking about