Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

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Vote Count 3-2

Although fiction about colonizing Mars and other planets have featured motifs about Earth becoming over-inhabited or less habitable, scientific exploration efforts themselves haven't made existential concerns a centerpiece of justification. This is changing.

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(5): Kazyan, six pomegranate seeds, CreativeName, WhemeStar, skitter30

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-21 21:00:00)

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[six pomegranate seeds]

Know what, I kinda just want to hammer Creative. is that a bad thought? Like, we gain something from a creative flip yes?

Thanks for your answer Kaz, was rereading this. Andante expresses they may hammer Creative.

537 Whemestar who is convinced that Creative is scum has a chance to say "YASSSSSSSSS HAMMER YAAAAASSSSSS DEW IT"

His response is instead "I haven’t really thought about what happens if creative flips town because there is no possibility for me that he does." This is not very convincing in getting Andante to hammer, she instead says lets not hammer and wait. Wheme's line also ends up making people sus of wheme instead. When skitter expresses sus on Wheme, wheme apparently doesn't really care that much about getting Creative hammered

575 "You can vote me since you aren’t gonna vote creative" I initially thought maybe that's a townie thing but for someone who is so convinced creative is scum why is that his response? Does he actually want the wagon swung onto him so it looks like creative is easy town? Creative has gotten TRs from me and skitter at this point and if SAM lives into ELO SAM is looking like an easy miselim. Idk I just feel like that's such a weird response from someone who fels they have scum on the chopping block.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Anyways I see how long we have to decide wow. I think the game won't advance that much until Skitter returns.

Q: For skitter - is there a chance that Kaz is mafia still?

[six pomegranate seeds]

Also Q: For skitter - why did Andante die?

[Kazyan]

Day phases last a very long time on this site. This is actually on the low end of day phase length, believe it or not.

[WhemeStar]

Also Q: For skitter - why did Andante die?

Maybe because you pointed out that he had intention to hammer creative?

[skitter30]

Heya i'll be here this evening after work, once again apologies

[WhemeStar]

Know what, I kinda just want to hammer Creative. is that a bad thought? Like, we gain something from a creative flip yes?

Thanks for your answer Kaz, was rereading this. Andante expresses they may hammer Creative.

537 Whemestar who is convinced that Creative is scum has a chance to say "YASSSSSSSSS HAMMER YAAAAASSSSSS DEW IT"

His response is instead "I haven’t really thought about what happens if creative flips town because there is no possibility for me that he does." This is not very convincing in getting Andante to hammer, she instead says lets not hammer and wait. Wheme's line also ends up making people sus of wheme instead. When skitter expresses sus on Wheme, wheme apparently doesn't really care that much about getting Creative hammered

575 "You can vote me since you aren’t gonna vote creative" I initially thought maybe that's a townie thing but for someone who is so convinced creative is scum why is that his response? Does he actually want the wagon swung onto him so it looks like creative is easy town? Creative has gotten TRs from me and skitter at this point and if SAM lives into ELO SAM is looking like an easy miselim. Idk I just feel like that's such a weird response from someone who fels they have scum on the chopping block.

I’ll reply to all of this after work seeds I don’t know if you are misrepping me intentionally or not but it is pinging me a lot.

[Kazyan]

I'm still here and paying attention: I just don't have comments until we hear from Skitter.

[six pomegranate seeds]

If you are town and I am misreping you I apologize Wheme, but this is how I play town I read your posts through the lens that you are scum and the lens you are town and I pay attention to posts that give me a gut feeling you lean one way or the other. I'm just playing the game. If you're really town I need you to defend yourself help me find the 2nd mafia.

[six pomegranate seeds]

I honestly had a little paranoia that Creative could be town but this particular observation makes me feel comfortable he isn't:

Skitter 31
Creative 11
seeds 65
Kaz 21
Wheme 22
Post count so far excluding the past couple of posts (I counted this up earlier this afternoon)

Creative went from top poster to ghost mode, consistent with the fact that he's just outted. I think Kaz's answer to Creative being mafia was fine, didn't lean one way or the other too much.

[skitter30]

ok i am here

[six pomegranate seeds]

Does anyone have a completed town or scum ISO of Wheme?

[skitter30]

i've actually played with him a while back but he's been offsite for a while and he's playing a little bit differently than he used to
(as a compliment)

[skitter30]

ok i'm going back to ~711, lmk if htere's anything from earlier too

[skitter30]

For completed games where Skitter is scum, the most recent one on Skitter's wiki page is Mini 2049.

ok i said i would compile some good scumgames
(some of these are, uh, long, i don't necessarily rec that you read them per se)
- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84997 - my most recent one but the setup was not classical mafia and i was kinda demotivated, i wouldn't call this a 'good' one and i probably wouldn't compare anything to this one
- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82824 - second most recent one, was a p good one
- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82512 - this was a fun one
- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80934 - here's another

i can pull more if you'd like
like i said at some point - i have a p well-regarded scumgame, and i can do most of the things you're saying wouuld be 'bold' or whatever
in the newbie queue in particular i don't really believe in bussing unless it's like extenuating circumstances and my partner wants me to; i feel like it defeats the purpose of the queue

[skitter30]

I thought it was fairly obvious who scum were but I guess not

wheme why is me?

[skitter30]

Maybe a question I have is actually - does Skitter normally have good reads as town? Because I do think her reads were questionable at points in this game. I'm reading skitter's iso and she is exactly how I imagined her as mafia - almost all good mafia play a similar style. I'm still early in this game but the difference between the ISO skitter provides and this game is that her partner was super supicious on d1 so far in the other game. Maybe creative was a little suspicious here in this game but he was at least trying a lot harder. I still think her omgus on me was really weird, but maybe if she's scum I think I had andante / kaz / wheme sort of on my side initially so would that omgus have seemed suicidal for a mafia? Wouldn't a mafia try to pocket me there? I guess wheme wasn't really down with the skitter vote at that very moment.

eh i'm above average readswise but i'm definitely fallible and make mistakes (a lot of them even :/)

[skitter30]

Idrc about convincing seeds I’m not scum I think I only need to convince you

Well if you're town then this game is over and you might as well self vote because I'm town and you need me to vote correctly in order to win. I was also your biggest TR coming into today - your post here implies that I am mafia and thus my vote doesn't matter but you don't care to actually scum case me? Also if you are town here you need both the other town to vote correctly with you, "only needing kaz" on your side does not make sense from a town perspective, there are 3 towns in this game right now and all three must correctly coordinate and vote a mafia for the game to continue.

I don't really understand what you are saying in this quote, it makes no sense from a town POV.

i think it's actually telegraphing who's gonna die tonight ...
i think he wants creative -> you -> me/kaz/wheme lylo, and he's getting a head start appealing to kaz

[skitter30]

My question for you guys is why did Andante die there?

honestly i'm not sure - she was leaning towards wheme + creative and iirc your reads were uncertain eod yesterday so maybe they thought you might rethink things in a way more favorable to them overnight? idk

[skitter30]

How would you be able to bus me, I'm town lol. Since samcro died and flipped town I realized scum were doing it to get two miselims on a town and a town who was acting anti town

man you don't sound like someone who knows his imminent misflip is going to end the game

[skitter30]

Anyways I see how long we have to decide wow. I think the game won't advance that much until Skitter returns.

Q: For skitter - is there a chance that Kaz is mafia still?

ok this is going to be my pre-vote checklist:
- review the vc's
- review kaz's iso
- review how creative's claim went down
- review the first ~5 ages of the game

gun-to-head i want to say no, he isn't, but let me hold off on giving a hard-no until i review his iso please

[skitter30]

ok that was less than i thought.
seeds if i owe you anything else would you mind requoting it please?

[Kazyan]

I could see Wheme trying to pocket me. He gave me that NAI defense a while back, but this would be a pretty weak/subtle way of doing it, if so.

[six pomegranate seeds]

My question for you guys is why did Andante die there?

honestly i'm not sure - she was leaning towards wheme + creative and iirc your reads were uncertain eod yesterday so maybe they thought you might rethink things in a way more favorable to them overnight? idk

These were my thoughts on Andante kill:

Andante kill I feel points to wheme I’m alive for scumming Kaz/Skitter whereas Andante TR skitter feel like skitter would keep andante around? Unless this is total bait to mess with my mind because I’ve already revealed to skitter how I interpret night kills with my reads on T3s messages. Can andante dying implicate Kaz a little bit as mafia? Maybe a little bit.

I'm hoping the Andante kill means that your town in other words. I'm not sure why'd you kill the person who said they would vote with you unless it's purely a gambit based on what you know about how I interpret night kills.

It kind of sucks I joined this game on d2 because I feel like you'd be very hard to catch as mafia in one or two days skitter.