I can prove I am town pretty definitively on every level here, MathBlade. (This is mostly to him, butIn post 1899, MathBlade wrote:I do like that vote. It’s my prevailing theory Mastina intended to or ended up blocking BBMolla if she is scum.In post 1898, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: mastinaProbably not moving unless someone posts an ironclad case.
Pooky:
this also applies to you!) Spoiler: Reason 1: Meta:
I have posted in this game literally every single day without fail, so much so that
Every. single. day. I have posted here--often multiple times, coming back 2-3 times a day. I have been incredibly active in churning out content, which is there a plenty in my iso. While most of the more recent content is more mechanical in nature (and for justifiable reasons, mind you), there is still scumhunting involved and a clear progression in my reads and stances and why I have them.
What does all of this mean? This is literally the game that has held my
Why is this listed as meta?
Because you and Pooky have literally the
Does this game in any way resemble that game?
I realize that you also have somewhat fresh scumastina meta from our micro together. I realize that this game has in common with recent scumastina games a rather heavy focus on mechanics--but is the overall play, the overall investment, the overall push, anywhere even remotely the same?
Bluntly: it isn't. This isn't scumastina, not even remotely. I've been town through and through for the entire game and it shows in my, consistent, presence in this game. I am not apathetic here. I have struggled with depression, I have struggled to get a gamesolve post-D2 (since from D3 onward I was running low on viable scumspects and even today I only have Molla as scum without knowing who his scumbuddy is), but in spite of those struggles, I have still been
As just one example, back when you and Pooky were fighting, who was the player who was saying both of you were town? I was very very adamant that you were town, MathBlade, and that Pooky was town, too. Back when you were convinced Pooky was scum, I was convinced that he was town. While you eventually managed to change your read on him to town, I was always there saying as much.
Contrast my scumgames where I did as little as was humanly possible by and large.
in a game that features ridiculously short prod timers
, as an original player
, I've not been prodded so much as once.Every. single. day. I have posted here--often multiple times, coming back 2-3 times a day. I have been incredibly active in churning out content, which is there a plenty in my iso. While most of the more recent content is more mechanical in nature (and for justifiable reasons, mind you), there is still scumhunting involved and a clear progression in my reads and stances and why I have them.
What does all of this mean? This is literally the game that has held my
highest level of attention
out of all of my games. I literally am posting in this game first before I post in any of my others more often than not.Why is this listed as meta?
Because you and Pooky have literally the
freshest of fresh
scum metas on me for the state scumastina is in. So fresh that me asking questions about it necessitates rhetorical questions. But to ask those rhetorical questions that I don't expect you to answer: how active was scumastina last? How strongly did scumastina play last? What was scumastina's level of interest, investment, and overall publicly presented content? Was she posting every day, multiple times, active and involved the entire time, or was she barely skirting by on the literal bare minimum?Does this game in any way resemble that game?
I realize that you also have somewhat fresh scumastina meta from our micro together. I realize that this game has in common with recent scumastina games a rather heavy focus on mechanics--but is the overall play, the overall investment, the overall push, anywhere even remotely the same?
Bluntly: it isn't. This isn't scumastina, not even remotely. I've been town through and through for the entire game and it shows in my, consistent, presence in this game. I am not apathetic here. I have struggled with depression, I have struggled to get a gamesolve post-D2 (since from D3 onward I was running low on viable scumspects and even today I only have Molla as scum without knowing who his scumbuddy is), but in spite of those struggles, I have still been
trying
and putting in actual serious real effort here.As just one example, back when you and Pooky were fighting, who was the player who was saying both of you were town? I was very very adamant that you were town, MathBlade, and that Pooky was town, too. Back when you were convinced Pooky was scum, I was convinced that he was town. While you eventually managed to change your read on him to town, I was always there saying as much.
Contrast my scumgames where I did as little as was humanly possible by and large.
Spoiler: Reason 2: Who would be my scumbuddy?
It is pretty damn obvious that you are town and that Pooky is town. So who's left for being scum?
I have pushed BBMolla as being scum the entire game--it can't be him.
I have given, fairly solid imo, reasons for why VFP should be conftown here, not only through the slot's holding of a doublevote, but also through the fact that the busdrive last night seems to, very clearly, be a spanner in the works of the scumteam's plans since if they had the busdriver, we almost certainly wouldn't have had no town death last night (as between a busdriver and a deflector, they could basically guarantee a kill on town by managing to combine the two).
That literally leaves only {Not_Mafia, Toogeloo, Almost50} as possible scumbuddies for me--and one of them, Toogeloo, is voting me, so it's almost definitely not him.
Do you think I am scum with Not_Mafia, or do you think I am scum with Almost50? Because for me to be scum you MUST think that one of the two is scum.
I have pushed BBMolla as being scum the entire game--it can't be him.
I have given, fairly solid imo, reasons for why VFP should be conftown here, not only through the slot's holding of a doublevote, but also through the fact that the busdrive last night seems to, very clearly, be a spanner in the works of the scumteam's plans since if they had the busdriver, we almost certainly wouldn't have had no town death last night (as between a busdriver and a deflector, they could basically guarantee a kill on town by managing to combine the two).
That literally leaves only {Not_Mafia, Toogeloo, Almost50} as possible scumbuddies for me--and one of them, Toogeloo, is voting me, so it's almost definitely not him.
Do you think I am scum with Not_Mafia, or do you think I am scum with Almost50? Because for me to be scum you MUST think that one of the two is scum.
Spoiler: Reason 3: Motive (/Mechanics p1):
I never lie about my role as scum. You know this to be true.
I have said that I used my babysit action on BBMolla--this is, 100%, guaranteed to be the truth because I do not lie about my role action or the nature of my role. I definitely had a Babysit, and I definitely used it on BBMolla. You KNOW my methodology as scum so you KNOW that when I make a claim like this of having done it, I did it exactly as I said I did. I've never lied about my action as scum, ever, because of a strong belief that the truth is my greatest ally. After all, if I was tracked, followed, and/or rolecopped and the results didn't line up with my claim...that is opening me up to being eliminated off of a lie.
So I just don't lie.
Okay, so if you accept that I'm not lying about taking and using a babysit on BBMolla...the question then becomes: What is the motive?
As scum, there is no motive for this. As scum, with the PGO dead on D3, I would have every reason to believe no scum died N3. I would thus have every reason to believe that, come D4, we would be in mylo. Why would I take, and burn, the babysit? If I was concerned that town could use it to save someone after a mylo mislynch, I could pass it to scum. There would be two scumbuddies to pass it to. Or even if I was concerned, I could just...take it, and then...not use it. I didn't need to burn it on BBMolla as scum last night because doing so had no motive.
A babysit used by scum won't be giving the scum an extra death because it'd require scum to die and I wouldn't be vigged. A babysit used by scum COULD stop the scum kill accidentally, via redirect actions that, per Pizza being scum with a deflector role, scumastina would know to exist in the game.
Using the babysit as scum is thus, something that has no proscum motive and is, explicitly, an antiscum action.
Now contrast that with the motive to use it as town:
As town, I KNOW I was the N2 nightkill via your jailkeep of me.
To reiterate:
FACT: There was no town death N2.
FACT: The only claimed source to stop the N2 kill is your jailkeep of me, MathBlade.
Therefore, FACT: Your jailkeep of me stopped the scum nightkill.
FACT: I am town.
FACT: I therefore know that I didn't make the scum nightkill with it being blocked. (But more on that below.)
FACT: I therefore know that *I* was the N2 scum nightkill, that the scumteam TRIED TO KILL ME N2.
FACT: On D3, you stated you had passed me a protective role.
FACT: No other player on D3 claimed to be in possession of a protective role. I was the only one who claimed to have access to one.
CONCLUSION: Between me being the confirmed N2 scum nightkill, and me having the only claimed protective role left in the game after the two others were burned N2, it was incredibly likely I would be the N3 scum nightkill, both due to being the N2 scum nightkill and possessing a protection, with anyone not-me being killed having a risk I would save them and me being incredibly likely to be wide open to attack.
Thus, using my babysit on BBMolla as town has a very, very, VERY obvious, self-evident reason: a full belief that I was going to die N3 and wanting to take BBMolla down with me, bringing us to 7 alive today, and either in lylo with the main scum mislynch down IF Molla is town, or in the day before lylo with one scum dead from me taking them down with me.
There's zero scum motive in using a babysit; there is EVERY town motive in using the babysit.
I have said that I used my babysit action on BBMolla--this is, 100%, guaranteed to be the truth because I do not lie about my role action or the nature of my role. I definitely had a Babysit, and I definitely used it on BBMolla. You KNOW my methodology as scum so you KNOW that when I make a claim like this of having done it, I did it exactly as I said I did. I've never lied about my action as scum, ever, because of a strong belief that the truth is my greatest ally. After all, if I was tracked, followed, and/or rolecopped and the results didn't line up with my claim...that is opening me up to being eliminated off of a lie.
So I just don't lie.
Okay, so if you accept that I'm not lying about taking and using a babysit on BBMolla...the question then becomes: What is the motive?
As scum, there is no motive for this. As scum, with the PGO dead on D3, I would have every reason to believe no scum died N3. I would thus have every reason to believe that, come D4, we would be in mylo. Why would I take, and burn, the babysit? If I was concerned that town could use it to save someone after a mylo mislynch, I could pass it to scum. There would be two scumbuddies to pass it to. Or even if I was concerned, I could just...take it, and then...not use it. I didn't need to burn it on BBMolla as scum last night because doing so had no motive.
A babysit used by scum won't be giving the scum an extra death because it'd require scum to die and I wouldn't be vigged. A babysit used by scum COULD stop the scum kill accidentally, via redirect actions that, per Pizza being scum with a deflector role, scumastina would know to exist in the game.
Using the babysit as scum is thus, something that has no proscum motive and is, explicitly, an antiscum action.
Now contrast that with the motive to use it as town:
As town, I KNOW I was the N2 nightkill via your jailkeep of me.
To reiterate:
FACT: There was no town death N2.
FACT: The only claimed source to stop the N2 kill is your jailkeep of me, MathBlade.
Therefore, FACT: Your jailkeep of me stopped the scum nightkill.
FACT: I am town.
FACT: I therefore know that I didn't make the scum nightkill with it being blocked. (But more on that below.)
FACT: I therefore know that *I* was the N2 scum nightkill, that the scumteam TRIED TO KILL ME N2.
FACT: On D3, you stated you had passed me a protective role.
FACT: No other player on D3 claimed to be in possession of a protective role. I was the only one who claimed to have access to one.
CONCLUSION: Between me being the confirmed N2 scum nightkill, and me having the only claimed protective role left in the game after the two others were burned N2, it was incredibly likely I would be the N3 scum nightkill, both due to being the N2 scum nightkill and possessing a protection, with anyone not-me being killed having a risk I would save them and me being incredibly likely to be wide open to attack.
Thus, using my babysit on BBMolla as town has a very, very, VERY obvious, self-evident reason: a full belief that I was going to die N3 and wanting to take BBMolla down with me, bringing us to 7 alive today, and either in lylo with the main scum mislynch down IF Molla is town, or in the day before lylo with one scum dead from me taking them down with me.
There's zero scum motive in using a babysit; there is EVERY town motive in using the babysit.
Spoiler: Reason 4: Mechanics (part two)
For me to be scum requires me to have performed the N2 nightkill.
Only there's a fundamental problem with that:
In most scumteam combinations this game, I have a very strong aversion to making the scum nightkill.
Even IF you assume that I wouldn't want Pizza to make it (fair enough, that's plausible enough), again, what scumbuddies would I have that would make me want to make the nightkill?
Sure, with Pooky as my scumbuddy, I'd make it over him--but Pooky is conftown here.
Sure, with GreyICE as my scumbuddy, I'd make it over him--but GreyICE was out of the game before the end of D1, yet alone, N2. I would very much NOT make the nightkill over willow; I would send willow to perform the nightkill because willow was a much lower-profile player less likely to attract attention.
Sure, Almost50 MIGHT make me make the kill over him...but he wasn't in the game until D3, after N2, and thus, I couldn't decide to make the kill over him.
Toogeloo and Not_Mafia both run into the willow1 issue--I would send Toogeloo or Not_Mafia to perform the nightkill because Toogeloo and Not_Mafia were both much lower-profile players less likely to attract attention.
The ONLY slots in the game I would send myself over them to do the nightkill are...
BBMolla and shadowslug.
Shadowslug's slot I again feel has a reasonable chance of being conftown mechanically.
And BBMolla has been the slot I've pushed as scum since D1 (and he's done a lot of pushing of me, too, in turn).
So in short: there's nobody here who could be scum with me, who would make me make the N2 kill. Simply put: I wouldn't make the N2 nightkill here as scum.
I am, overall, fairly adverse to making the scum nightkill overall, and across my entire scum career if you want me to prove it I can give dozens upon dozens of examples where I preferred my scumbuddy/scumbuddies to make the kill rather than me. The times where I make the kill are, explicitly, exceptions to the general rule, in games where I felt that them making the kill was a much greater risk than me making the kill. Most of the time, it's my scumbuddies. Heck, you even have proof of this in my most recently completed scumgame. I sent Gypyx to do the kill, not me; not once, but in fact, two nights in a row, twice total.
I don't do the nightkill unless the game, situationally, specifically dictates that I should, and this game has every reason not to.
Only there's a fundamental problem with that:
In most scumteam combinations this game, I have a very strong aversion to making the scum nightkill.
Even IF you assume that I wouldn't want Pizza to make it (fair enough, that's plausible enough), again, what scumbuddies would I have that would make me want to make the nightkill?
Sure, with Pooky as my scumbuddy, I'd make it over him--but Pooky is conftown here.
Sure, with GreyICE as my scumbuddy, I'd make it over him--but GreyICE was out of the game before the end of D1, yet alone, N2. I would very much NOT make the nightkill over willow; I would send willow to perform the nightkill because willow was a much lower-profile player less likely to attract attention.
Sure, Almost50 MIGHT make me make the kill over him...but he wasn't in the game until D3, after N2, and thus, I couldn't decide to make the kill over him.
Toogeloo and Not_Mafia both run into the willow1 issue--I would send Toogeloo or Not_Mafia to perform the nightkill because Toogeloo and Not_Mafia were both much lower-profile players less likely to attract attention.
The ONLY slots in the game I would send myself over them to do the nightkill are...
BBMolla and shadowslug.
Shadowslug's slot I again feel has a reasonable chance of being conftown mechanically.
And BBMolla has been the slot I've pushed as scum since D1 (and he's done a lot of pushing of me, too, in turn).
So in short: there's nobody here who could be scum with me, who would make me make the N2 kill. Simply put: I wouldn't make the N2 nightkill here as scum.
I am, overall, fairly adverse to making the scum nightkill overall, and across my entire scum career if you want me to prove it I can give dozens upon dozens of examples where I preferred my scumbuddy/scumbuddies to make the kill rather than me. The times where I make the kill are, explicitly, exceptions to the general rule, in games where I felt that them making the kill was a much greater risk than me making the kill. Most of the time, it's my scumbuddies. Heck, you even have proof of this in my most recently completed scumgame. I sent Gypyx to do the kill, not me; not once, but in fact, two nights in a row, twice total.
I don't do the nightkill unless the game, situationally, specifically dictates that I should, and this game has every reason not to.
Spoiler: Reason 5: Mechanics, part 3:
Aside from that: there are no claimed protective roles for N3 other than me.
The scum kill from N3 is absent.
I claimed to use a babysitter action.
As I am not dead, that babysitter action should be a protect rather than a kill, saving a life rather than taking it.
I am literally the you of N2, of N3. Just as your jailkeep of me is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N2, my babysitter is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N3.
While I meant to use it as a kill on Molla, it is very likely, given VFP's claim of having busdriven you and Molla, that I ended up
The scum kill from N3 is absent.
I claimed to use a babysitter action.
As I am not dead, that babysitter action should be a protect rather than a kill, saving a life rather than taking it.
I am literally the you of N2, of N3. Just as your jailkeep of me is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N2, my babysitter is the ONLY possible source of a lack of scum kill N3.
While I meant to use it as a kill on Molla, it is very likely, given VFP's claim of having busdriven you and Molla, that I ended up
saving your life
. Just as you saved my life N2, it is highly likely that I ended up saving your life N3 (albeit unintentionally).
