Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

Battle Mage · Post Post #3250 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am

In post 3248, MathBlade wrote: If Cakez is town you’re almost certainly scum here. Probably with Battle Mage if I am right and town!Cakez checked Battle Mage. But gay theories.

for goodness sake Math - please stop it with the gay theories about me and Cakez. We're just friends!

Battle Mage · Post Post #3251 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:45 am

In post 3244, Titus wrote:
In post 3239, Battle Mage wrote:FWIW Math, I'd be interested in a Titus or SirCakez flip today, but probably Titus more. I think Titus-scum is smart enough to know that playing off Mathblade is a good way to post lots without really furthering anything or getting a lot of scrutiny. And I trust Titus to read me better than SirCakez would, so Titus looking for a cheap mis-elim on me yesterday looked worse. But I'd be fine with either. Yesterday didn't split the pack much, as the DGB elim was almost unanimous somehow...
This post gets several things wrong

1) DGB elimination was not near unanimous. There was a counter on me.

2) I have, and continue to get, scrutiny for pushing back on Math. My goal is not to avoid scrutiny but to stop an agenda that almost certainly leads to eliminations on townreads.

3) Characterizing my push on DGB as a cheap miselimination search is wrong. I had a theory that I wanted to test.

On another note, how can you have zero townreads?

1. No, you're wrong - at end of day, DGB elim was nearly unanimous. I...wouldn't have said it if I wasn't true.
2. The fact it hasn't worked, doesn't mean it wasn't your intention. I don't think your play aligns with your alleged goal.
3. I never said anything close to that, so dunno what ur on about.

I'm not sure if the last comment was meant for me...but if it was, I didn't say that either.

Spoiler:

Battle Mage · Post Post #3252 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:46 am

oh that's all i get before it's back to Math v Titus?

great...

bring on the 'meaningful vote'.

MathBlade · Post Post #3253 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:50 am

In post 3252, Battle Mage wrote:oh that's all i get before it's back to Math v Titus?

great...

bring on the 'meaningful vote'.

I actually want SirCakez here or you if Cakez is town.

So kinda waiting on Cakez.

If Titus doesn’t quit being antitown this will turn into me v her though.

And we kinda need afternoon before I can vote him.

MathBlade · Post Post #3254 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:54 am

Or maybe Titus if Cakez checked someone else and is town but I am really struggling with Titus town atm and would love others chiming in.

Prism · Post Post #3255 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 am

BM, you've been quite transparent and open in previous days about trying to win an artifact, even when it was very unlikely with momentum was swinging towards others and the reads on you relatively hipfire tonal townleans.

You seem to have come into today thinking your town position should be relatively unassailable in 3238

Why abstain over voting for yourself or pushing to receive it?

Prism · Post Post #3256 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:01 am

FWIW I disagree with Spiffeh in that, assuming I'm town, I'm the best mechanical recipient regardless of likelihood for a night kill. This is because I'm a claimed VT who happens to not currently have an artifact, without going any potential D2/N2 usages. This means scum has to pick between shooting the artifact recipient and a power role.

Were I not to receive it, Bell gets it imo, not even close.

ISO · Post Post #3257 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:02 am

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

MathBlade · Post Post #3258 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:03 am

In post 3256, Prism wrote:FWIW I disagree with Spiffeh in that, assuming I'm town, I'm the best mechanical recipient regardless of likelihood for a night kill. This is because I'm a claimed VT who happens to not currently have an artifact, without going any potential D2/N2 usages. This means scum has to pick between shooting the artifact recipient and a power role.

Were I not to receive it, Bell gets it imo, not even close.

Lmao I veto Bell every fucking time.

Bell has done nothing deserving a townread at all.

If you weren’t to receive it, I would say Bork or myself.

ISO · Post Post #3259 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:04 am

In post 3238, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3223, SirCakez wrote:urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact
you're joking with me right? I was on the scum elim Day 1, was not on the town elim Day 2...and I'm the first name on your list? Back to basics.

Iso yourself man it should be obvious why you look scummy here

MathBlade · Post Post #3260 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:04 am

In post 3257, SirCakez wrote:Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

And why did you check Spiffeh?

This should not be pulling teeth dude.

ISO · Post Post #3261 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:06 am

Because I've been suspicious of him all game? It's not rocket science

Prism · Post Post #3262 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:07 am

Bell hardtrolled his scumteam twice if he is mafia, my impression from what I've heard second hand is that he is not a talented scum player, but that this comes from meta/tonal difference and not from completely trolling his team.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3263 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:08 am

In post 3258, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3256, Prism wrote:FWIW I disagree with Spiffeh in that, assuming I'm town, I'm the best mechanical recipient regardless of likelihood for a night kill. This is because I'm a claimed VT who happens to not currently have an artifact, without going any potential D2/N2 usages. This means scum has to pick between shooting the artifact recipient and a power role.

Were I not to receive it, Bell gets it imo, not even close.
Lmao I veto Bell every fucking time.

Bell has done nothing deserving a townread at all.

If you weren’t to receive it, I would say Bork or myself.

Have you ever played with scum Bell?

It's like pretty hilarious how different it is from Town Bell.

Prism · Post Post #3264 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:09 am

I haven't looked into Bell/Cakez interactions but I guess if Cakez is mafia the swapback to mastina was not hardtrolling and he would hypothetically be on the table. With many, many assumptions required to get to that point of even being on the table.

MathBlade · Post Post #3265 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:13 am

In post 3263, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3258, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3256, Prism wrote:FWIW I disagree with Spiffeh in that, assuming I'm town, I'm the best mechanical recipient regardless of likelihood for a night kill. This is because I'm a claimed VT who happens to not currently have an artifact, without going any potential D2/N2 usages. This means scum has to pick between shooting the artifact recipient and a power role.

Were I not to receive it, Bell gets it imo, not even close.
Lmao I veto Bell every fucking time.

Bell has done nothing deserving a townread at all.

If you weren’t to receive it, I would say Bork or myself.
Have you ever played with scum Bell?

It's like pretty hilarious how different it is from Town Bell.

I do not believe I have played with Scum Bell.

I have only played with Bell when I am scum if memory serves.

He just usually isn’t so lurky/hyperfocused as town.

Can you provide me an example of why you think Bell is?

Titus · Post Post #3266 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 am

In post 3265, MathBlade wrote:He just usually isn’t so lurky/hyperfocused as town.

Bell has the fourth most posts and posted 14 hours ago. He's not lurky.

MathBlade · Post Post #3267 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:18 am

In post 3266, Titus wrote:
In post 3265, MathBlade wrote:He just usually isn’t so lurky/hyperfocused as town.
Bell has the fourth most posts and posted 14 hours ago. He's not lurky.

He is though. He’s not memorable.

All he does is push me then leave.

He does not comment on anything going on.

Lurking isn’t defined by post count.

Active lurking is still lurking.

Titus · Post Post #3268 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:26 am

In post 3267, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3266, Titus wrote:
In post 3265, MathBlade wrote:He just usually isn’t so lurky/hyperfocused as town.
Bell has the fourth most posts and posted 14 hours ago. He's not lurky.
He is though. He’s not memorable.

All he does is push me then leave.

He does not comment on anything going on.

Lurking isn’t defined by post count.

Active lurking is still lurking.

If Bell was active lurking, like you say he is, he would not be a consensus townread. He's pushing against you, yet you have no memory of what he says. You have zero attempts to engage him to figure out why he this you're scummy or his reads.

If Bell was spamming, people would call him out for it by now. Bell isn't playing in your paradigm, so you've chosen to dismiss his content instead.

Tammy · Post Post #3269 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:29 am

VOTE: prism
Still a town read and my new best friend!

I don't really understand how yesterday went down. I picked up the game to start playing shortly after the thread locked I think. I thought DGB looked a little town just from the woe is me sentiment which felt real, but I'm not sure how I would have felt in the moment really if I were posting. If Titus turns out to be scum, there's maybe something to be learned? But, I'm not really scumreading Titus though, so don't really think it was a scum move to move to DGB.

Still feel good about my town reads on Prism, Bell, and Spiffeh (thought think if there's scum in my town reads he could be it, I just really don't think so.), still feel reasonably good about math and Titus and I think if both of them were independently in the game I'd not feel paranoid about feeling good about both of them and my concern stems from their concern on each other. I don't know if that makes sense at all.

I wish I felt better about cakez, bork and Pooky. (Yes, I know math). Some good posts, some good feels, but I don't feel as good about them as I would like to.

And I really don't know about Dunnstral, Battle Mage, and GreyIce though I do lean scum on GreyIce.

Spiffeh - What did you think about Prism's think with GreyICE yesterday and the post I made to LLD about GreyIce yesterday?

I don't know what to do about the information that I have. I'm not sure if it is alignment relevant at the moment unless one of the people I have information on lie about it. But that has to come up independently.

So, bleh. I'll be back later.

MathBlade · Post Post #3270 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:30 am

He’s not a consensus townread though.

Prism says they’d vote there and so would Pooky.

That’s three players one of whom could be scum.

Bell has done nothing to deserve a townread so he doesn’t get one.

Even now Pooky says tone. Tone is easily coachable by good scum.

Again what has he done?

What are his reads?

If he is lock town he should be doing something.

He’s not doing anything.

Battle Mage · Post Post #3271 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:30 am

In post 3254, MathBlade wrote:Or maybe Titus if Cakez checked someone else and is town but I am really struggling with Titus town atm and would love others chiming in.

I mean it's pretty likely Cakez didn't check anyone if the player is gunning for me because there wasn't enough scrutiny on me yesterday? Did Cakez claim an investigative role?

Battle Mage · Post Post #3272 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:31 am

In post 3257, SirCakez wrote:Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

oh yeah id forgotten that claim

Battle Mage · Post Post #3273 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:33 am

In post 3259, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3238, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3223, SirCakez wrote:urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact
you're joking with me right? I was on the scum elim Day 1, was not on the town elim Day 2...and I'm the first name on your list? Back to basics.
Iso yourself man it should be obvious why you look scummy here

lol mafia 101 - punish people for mis-elimming. site meta gives scum way too easy a ride to open-wolf.

Prism · Post Post #3274 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:36 am

Battle Mage, can you answer this please?

In post 3255, Prism wrote:BM, you've been quite transparent and open in previous days about trying to win an artifact, even when it was very unlikely with momentum was swinging towards others and the reads on you relatively hipfire tonal townleans.

You seem to have come into today thinking your town position should be relatively unassailable in 3238

Why abstain over voting for yourself or pushing to receive it?