Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

skitter30 · Post Post #925 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:10 pm

In post 91, WhemeStar wrote:I think creative is obv town

I think pooky is scum

In post 96, WhemeStar wrote:Nvm creative is not obv town

In post 97, WhemeStar wrote:94 threw me way off

so how did you get to 'creative is not obvtown' from 94 if you think you saw a pr soft there

WhemeStar · Post Post #926 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:10 pm

In post 921, skitter30 wrote:your analysis is really, really, really good and way over anything you have to do as scum tbh

It’s reminding me of prism scum tbh

WhemeStar · Post Post #927 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:11 pm

In post 925, skitter30 wrote:
In post 91, WhemeStar wrote:I think creative is obv town

I think pooky is scum

In post 96, WhemeStar wrote:Nvm creative is not obv town

In post 97, WhemeStar wrote:94 threw me way off
so how did you get to 'creative is not obvtown' from 94 if you think you saw a pr soft there

I didn’t want creative to be a top nightkill target

skitter30 · Post Post #928 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:11 pm

so just to make sure i follow:
- you townread creative
- you think he softs pr in 94
- you don't want him to be a nk target so you immediately retract the townread?

WhemeStar · Post Post #929 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:14 pm

Correct

skitter30 · Post Post #930 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:16 pm

ok and why did you him to begin with?

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #931 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:25 pm

In post 923, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 68, CreativeName wrote:also definitely don't rush an elim, which is why I warned that I was putting pooky at E-2, but definitely I want to see as many people as possible voting or putting forward candidates for the vote as it's one of the best ways to read a player
This post pinged me as well

This post pings me that creative is scum saying obvious stuff. It doesn't read PR to me. PR softs are something like putting a little sentence in the middle of a massive paragraph "My UPS package was supposed to have arrived by now."

Then you rr tracker quote the paragraph and say "GUESS I SHOULDA TRACKED AM I RIGHT?!?!?!"

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #932 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:26 pm

Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?

WhemeStar · Post Post #933 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:28 pm

In post 932, six pomegranate seeds wrote:Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?

No

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #934 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:30 pm

In post 933, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 932, six pomegranate seeds wrote:Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?
No

Y?

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #935 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:16 pm

I have tomorrow off from work and I have energy so I will take time to review my read of Kazyan.

fferyllt · Post Post #936 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:29 pm

Vote Count 3-3

In 2016, National Geographic aired the first episode of a series about Mars that went on for 2 seasons. It was part documentary and part hard science fiction, extrapolating from interviews, discoveries, exploration and commercialization of space in the near past and present to how those discoveries and forces might play out in the near future. In the series, a scientific expedition landed on Mars to found a colony and truly explore how humankind could live on a different and hostile planet. It was a rocky, near disastrous beginning.

Not Voting

(5): Kazyan, six pomegranate seeds, CreativeName, WhemeStar, skitter30

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-21 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #937 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:00 pm

In post 735, WhemeStar wrote:Idrc about convincing seeds I’m not scum I think I only need to convince you

I'm too tired to reread Kaz rn tbh.

I still have no idea how this can come from a town POV wheme. If skitter is really scum then either Kaz or I will be night killed and skitter can choose which one of us to bring into final 3. Why would you ever say you only need to convince one town as a town.

And if you're town why do you want to wait until final 3 to convince me. There's literally nothing you're going to be able to say 5 days from now that you can't say now. I think the game solving info is all on the table d1 d2 and this day is largely just analyzing the previous two days and arguing. All that will be added in d4 is the n4 night kill analysis, but we will largely be discussing the same things.

If you are town wheme I would like to figure that out. I can tell you at the end of this day phase if we vote creative I am going to say to vote a certain player with 100% certainty in the final 3 one I lock in my decision in case I am the night kill and then I will take the blame if I am wrong.

And as of now Wheme I am going to be honest that player is trending towards you. I am telling you this because I am a town and if you are a town I want you to have a fair shake, so I am informing you that is my current direction of thought. I am being totally transparent. I am not afraid of making enemies - I will simply give my reads. You wanting to run to final 3 and not defend yourself here reads as very scummy I cannot lie. There is nothing you will be able to say tomorrow except WIFOM about the night kill. If my analysis does not change by the end of day 3 I will say that I will vote you with 100 % certainty on d4 if I live - and I will tell the remaining living players to vote you with 100% certainty if I am dead and I will take the responsibility for town's loss if I am wrong. But I have not reached the point where I will lock in on you yet - I have not finished my analysis yet.

Tomorrow I will try to review Kaz and continue my analysis.

Good night.

Kazyan · Post Post #938 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:05 pm

In post 904, six pomegranate seeds wrote:So my Q: to skitter and even Kaz can way in too. You felt that SAMCRO’s confidence/bravado was fake. What do you feel about Whemestar’s confidence in 537 or 577? Does that feel like real confidence to you. Because according to whemestar one of the principal reasons is 562 because he thinks Creative softed PR in 94. Does 94 even read like a PR soft to you? Does it even feel genuine that wheme made this PR read based on this post? I’ll be honest that post seems like the random ramblings of a VT. What kind of tracker says “hey - maybe I’m a mason LOL.” You even said yourself in a prior post that the breadcrumb wasn’t even there. Does wheme seem genuine in making this PR read or does it seemed planned to you.

Wheme's confidence reeks of being informed, but I could honestly see those posts being made by a townie. NAI, I guess?

Regarding PR softing...if just bringing up the possibility of power roles existing is something that you can consider breadcrumbing, then we'd all go stark raving mad from any discussion of strategy. "Someone mentioned the possiblity of masons in a game where masons are well-understood to be a possiblity, ergo masons in this game!" is...a position that I'm not even willing to take seriously.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #939 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 887, Kazyan wrote:Regarding paragraph 3, good night.

Kaz, I'll be honest it scared me a little when you didn't reassure me you were town yesterday in this quote lol. But it's okay, I will review you logs tomorow. Good night.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #940 (ISO) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:18 pm

Thanks for your answer Kaz. I do agree with you Kaz it's hard for me to see Wheme's PR read as genuine imo. That's a fair take Kaz regarding the confidence.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #941 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:25 am

In post 846, Kazyan wrote:In the posts the Skitter has highlighted, I do think it's +town for Whemestar, but the waffling is pretty laconic. I notice that it doesn't have the same emotional intensity as "am I being trolled", but I have no idea what that means. Thoughts?

Sorry for not being as 100% here right now as you two; I've just got a whole bunch of other non-Mafia tabs open.

Missed this on initial read. The waffling I read as town initially, but the PR read overall doesn't feel real and the "You're PR or your scum" reason wheme has for sussing creative d2 doesn't feel real.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #942 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:31 am

In post 733, Kazyan wrote:idk I guess it could be townie from the "you didn't listen to me and now you're going to lose" perspective

Oh I thought this comment was about creative on initial read lol. rip.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #943 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:38 am

In post 933, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 932, six pomegranate seeds wrote:Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?
No

You can read this as scum wheme needs the pocket on Kaz at this point because it appears I am too far gone and he's not willing to consider a kaz scum case or rule it out.

If this is town wheme I guess he just makes reads early and then never doubts or double checks things and just rides with it. If he's town though I love when people ask me questions and I get to explain my thoughts. Wheme's responses or just like "94" "no" "im confused i said 94 already what more do you want."

Kazyan · Post Post #944 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:10 am

In post 942, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 733, Kazyan wrote:idk I guess it could be townie from the "you didn't listen to me and now you're going to lose" perspective
Oh I thought this comment was about creative on initial read lol. rip.

Yeah, it's about Whemestar; Creative is just doing what any caught scum would do IMO.

In post 939, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 887, Kazyan wrote:Regarding paragraph 3, good night.
Kaz, I'll be honest it scared me a little when you didn't reassure me you were town yesterday in this quote lol. But it's okay, I will review you logs tomorow. Good night.

If you need to be reassured and feel actual fear, you might be too emotionally invested in this game, tbh. After re-reviewing my ISO, you'll have officially analyzed this game to death.

Even newbie games on this site can last for over a month, which is part of why I'm not writing an essay every day about the possibilities here. It may be healthier for you to take this more slowly.

Kazyan · Post Post #945 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:19 am

In post 943, six pomegranate seeds wrote:You can read this as scum wheme needs the pocket on Kaz at this point because it appears I am too far gone and he's not willing to consider a kaz scum case or rule it out.

If this is town wheme I guess he just makes reads early and then never doubts or double checks things and just rides with it. If he's town though I love when people ask me questions and I get to explain my thoughts. Wheme's responses or just like "94" "no" "im confused i said 94 already what more do you want."

Tbh everyone needs the pocket on me right now. You're probably the nightkill tonight, so the remaining mafia (likely Whemestar) has to pocket me to get a miselim tomorrow, and the town (likely Skitter) has to pocket me to get a correct elimination. Whemestar can't kill me without you putting two and two together, and Whemestar can't kill Skitter because that would destroy his only viable miselim.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #946 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 am

In post 944, Kazyan wrote:
In post 942, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 733, Kazyan wrote:idk I guess it could be townie from the "you didn't listen to me and now you're going to lose" perspective
Oh I thought this comment was about creative on initial read lol. rip.
Yeah, it's about Whemestar; Creative is just doing what any caught scum would do IMO.

In post 939, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 887, Kazyan wrote:Regarding paragraph 3, good night.
Kaz, I'll be honest it scared me a little when you didn't reassure me you were town yesterday in this quote lol. But it's okay, I will review you logs tomorow. Good night.
If you need to be reassured and feel actual fear, you might be too emotionally invested in this game, tbh. After re-reviewing my ISO, you'll have officially analyzed this game to death.

Even newbie games on this site can last for over a month, which is part of why I'm not writing an essay every day about the possibilities here. It may be healthier for you to take this more slowly.

Lol you're probably right tbh. But I think this is a great place in the game to analyze it to death with paragraphs I think you can pretty much decide the d4 vote right now with the info we have available and d4 can just be a quick hammer. The only thing that will be added to d4 is night kill WIFOM which is pointless in this game d1/d2 has the solve there.

After I finish my analysis and I decide for certain my d4 vote I'll take it easy. Also tbh with you I'm not sure if I'm going to play a second game on this site.

six pomegranate seeds · Post Post #947 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:16 am

But also Kaz, it's kind of condescending for you to tell me how to spend my free time and how to make reads in a game of mafia. I signed up for this game specifically because I had free time and I am enjoying myself.

Kazyan · Post Post #948 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:21 am

Oh, sorry. Yeah, that was over-the-line and I apologize. You do you.

CreativeName · Post Post #949 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:29 am

In post 946, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 944, Kazyan wrote:
In post 942, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 733, Kazyan wrote:idk I guess it could be townie from the "you didn't listen to me and now you're going to lose" perspective
Oh I thought this comment was about creative on initial read lol. rip.
Yeah, it's about Whemestar; Creative is just doing what any caught scum would do IMO.

In post 939, six pomegranate seeds wrote:
In post 887, Kazyan wrote:Regarding paragraph 3, good night.
Kaz, I'll be honest it scared me a little when you didn't reassure me you were town yesterday in this quote lol. But it's okay, I will review you logs tomorow. Good night.
If you need to be reassured and feel actual fear, you might be too emotionally invested in this game, tbh. After re-reviewing my ISO, you'll have officially analyzed this game to death.

Even newbie games on this site can last for over a month, which is part of why I'm not writing an essay every day about the possibilities here. It may be healthier for you to take this more slowly.
Lol you're probably right tbh. But I think this is a great place in the game to analyze it to death with paragraphs I think you can pretty much decide the d4 vote right now with the info we have available and d4 can just be a quick hammer. The only thing that will be added to d4 is night kill WIFOM which is pointless in this game d1/d2 has the solve there.

After I finish my analysis and I decide for certain my d4 vote I'll take it easy. Also tbh with you I'm not sure if I'm going to play a second game on this site.

There won't be a day 4 when I an eliminated tho