Newbie 2057: Mars! - End!

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Creative

[WhemeStar]

Pagetop

[WhemeStar]

Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?

No

Y?

Why does Kaz make sense as creatives partner

[six pomegranate seeds]

The Kazyan town case:

1 ) The early suss and pocket - 51 -> 71. Kaz says early he will not try to scum hunt (he says he’s not that good at it) but then gets an early scumping and can’t hold back. I like that he says it isn’t a heavy scum read - he sounds uncertain just like he expressed in 51 that he isn’t that confident in his reads. I think 72 from creative name where he actually tells Kaz “That's quite ok, because it means you're acting kinda solvey” doesn’t read as a pair, it reads as creative trying to pocket and pacify an uncertain town Kaz. Kaz unvotes creative in 115 but think this can be consistent with Kaz feeling uncertain. Him calling Wheme a doofus for refusing to elaborate on his Creative PR read reads town to me.

2 ) Fake helpful - In post 78 Creative gives advice to Kazyan “If you find it easier to scum read people definitely go for that, I know some people are better at townreading and some are better at scumreading, also I'll probably make a reads list at some point so look out for that.” It reads similarly to 138 where Creative gives advice to town griff “That's perfectly ok, you're here now, one piece of advice i'd give is to have a notes page or document you can jot your thoughts and reads on so you don't lose track of them and have an easy time referring back to them.” Creative gives advice to the towns as a way of pocketing - each post reads similarly. SAMCRO instantly calls this out in 140. Since Creative is fake helpful to Kaz - Kaz is town.

3 ) The one active - one inactive theory agreement in 111 / 115 / 116 - Creative proposes a one active one inactive theory and Kaz actually agrees to the arbitrary theory - on initial read of the game I thought postulating about this seemed fine and townie and I think Kaz agreeing with Creative and using that as an excuse to invote does not seem like a scum pair move. Level one scum imo want to be seen in superficial disagreement with one another - 118 from wheme he disagrees with Creative’s idea.

4 ) The borrowing of arguments - 121 Pooky is pushing back on Creative’s reasoning that it is scummy to start a wagon (ironic since Creative just said starting a wagon is good so that there is no - no elim on d1 in prior post 59. At this point Kaz swoops in and provides more reasoning for why Pooky is scummy i.e. Pooky has no content 123. At this point Creative basically sheeps what Kaz’s read was, he never uses the words contentless to describe pooky until he echoes kaz here 125 “what I quoted, was like kazyan said content-less posting and warning me of a danger no one else seemed to see.” In game pooky has 3 votes wheme has 2 if Kaz is scum with Creative both of them have been widely TR to this point with the exception of Kaz and Wheme light sussing creative - neither of them appear to be d1 vote candidates so I see no reason for them to align like this and for creative to openly sheep Kaz’s reasoning here.

5 ) The organic Creative suss 208 - Kaz identifying discordance from Creative’s early aggression on SAMCRO to his mason post later on feels like a real read. Contrast with Wheme’s SR from PR reading Creative from 94 if you’re not PR your scum. Kaz is identifying something that actually looks real in Creative’s posting. Kaz also said that Pooky v Creative arguing about RVS meme wagon did not feel town on town I love that he is afraid of confirmation bias in his post here. This is exactly what I was afraid of reading myself into the skitter sus when I first entered the game.

6 ) The wagon follow through - as pointed out by Skitter Kaz asks how to analyze the wagon 209 then follows through 224. Also Kaz was not on the pooky badwagon debacle of d1. And Kazyan is actually convinced in 226 and 227 to vote SAMCRO by Creative in part. Why would a mafia partner convince their mafia partner to change votes in broad daylight in the day chat?

7 ) The commit to Creative vote - 326 Kaz takes my town case on SAMCRO and votes into creative tying it 2-2. It’s not the votes that make it townie because mafia know that creative could claim tracer, but perhaps the tone of remaining internally consistent voting between creative and Samcro instead of following me and voting skitter is the townie part. I also know note that Wheme in 334 went from scumming my slot earlier d2 to now TRing me while creative goes from TRing my slot with grif to now SRing it - it’s funny how they are on the opposite side of literally everything in the game do they agree once? lol.

8 ) The prelim thought followed by the walk back - 382 / 384 - stuff like this is very townie. Kaz remains internally consistent thinking there’s a man in SAM vs. Creative fight. They express anxiety that mafia is trying to deflect out of the vote. This makes total sense with their later “north star” post that they want to vote them out in any order to get the game into a winnable state - which makes sense from a town perspective. Creative says someone is trying to deflect out of the pool of SAMCRO creative but then realizes that everyone was voting into that pool before me and says he feels silly. This could be him TMIing that I’m town I guess but I still read it as town that he thinks something is true without verifying it and posts, then realizes it isn’t true and backtracks. Feels like a town playing off of instinct and speaking their mind not rechecking logs.

My work from the day. I have to go do something now will be back later.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-4

In the Mars docudrama, the existential questions for the colonies were "Is there enough available water? And where IS the water?" The presence of water on Mars is no longer in question, thanks to many exploratory missions. In July, 2018, a small, liquid, lake of water was detected on the planet's surface. The questions of how much water, where, and how accessible all remain to be answered.

CreativeName

(1): WhemeStar

Not Voting

(4): skitter30, Kazyan, six pomegranate seeds, CreativeName

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: March 22, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-03-21 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[six pomegranate seeds]

Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?

No

Y?

Why does Kaz make sense as creatives partner

He doesn't imo, I wanted to see what you would say.

Well tbh Wheme I'm going to vote you if I'm alive in final 3. I don't see how you as town ignores me telling you I'm going to vote you for sure in final 3 and just wants to run to final 3 now.

I was tempted at points during this day 3 to just vote you and see if mafia hammered tbh because I couldn't see the other two as mafia.

I'm going to tell the others to vote you final 3 as well if I am the night kill.

If you're mafia you're probably going to have to turn the other two against me tbh with you. I'm not changing my mind.

If you're town good job to whoever was mafia, you did a really good job and I'm sorry town I didn't figure it out.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Kaz and skitter if you live to final 3 and I die, please vote for whemestar. I'll take the blame in postgame if I am wrong.

[WhemeStar]

Q: to wheme.

Can Kazyan be mafia here?

No

Y?

Why does Kaz make sense as creatives partner

He doesn't imo, I wanted to see what you would say.

Well tbh Wheme I'm going to vote you if I'm alive in final 3. I don't see how you as town ignores me telling you I'm going to vote you for sure in final 3 and just wants to run to final 3 now.

I was tempted at points during this day 3 to just vote you and see if mafia hammered tbh because I couldn't see the other two as mafia.

I'm going to tell the others to vote you final 3 as well if I am the night kill.

If you're mafia you're probably going to have to turn the other two against me tbh with you. I'm not changing my mind.

If you're town good job to whoever was mafia, you did a really good job and I'm sorry town I didn't figure it out.

I just dont understand where the read comes from so it’s hard for me to make a case to defend myself when I already barely do that. I don’t see how anyone could see me as creatives partner with how I interacted with him day 1 and the end of day 2. If you disagree then whatever

[six pomegranate seeds]

I can summarize all my points in bullet points for you a little bit later. If you ISO me my argument is laid out in 651 655 658 662 665 860 904.

If you want read the least amount possible you can just read 904 and 665.

[skitter30]

Hey 2055 is now legal to talk abt, if y'all want to

[CreativeName]

Hey 2055 is now legal to talk abt, if y'all want to

yay, but now were not gonna because 2057 will become legal to talk about pretty soon

[skitter30]

creative, no offense, but you at no point today have sounded like town who knows they screwed up, you sound like scum who knows they're imminently getting flipped

[skitter30]

like if you're scum you're just wiling away the time too, so on some level that's fair tho

[skitter30]

Not played with but I read in ISO Skitter scum in Newbie 2055, in which skitter recently died and revealed scum, and she was more playful as scum and less aggressive/serious imo, I can mention that right a game where skitter died and was revealed scum? idk if it ended but when i read it it hadn't (pls don't hurt me mods if I did wrong I am but a simple man)

oh since i'm reading mid-day2 again, just to talk about this, i repped into that one n2 into a, uh, untenable position - kinda tried to do the best i could with what the game looked like at the time, but was rather unsuccessful

i did, once agian, try to bare in mind what my newbie partner wanted in order to get them some more experience (we made a super unoptimal kill n2 but i ultimately left it up to them)

[skitter30]

ok i just want to say that i think i'm confident saying that seeds is town:
- i dont' think creative/seeds' interactions when seeds repped in looked partner-y (in particular, the bits where creative was chastising seeds for mispelling mine/pooky's name)
- the analysis, repeated rereading of the game, the new thoughts that come out of each new layer of analysis, the emotion, the townreading me for having the same emotions as him in similar circumstances: all of this altogetehr i would be super super super impressed if faked

and on a practical level i'm p sure that both me and seeds are never alive together tomorrow so honestly i'm not sure i really need to worry about it that much

[six pomegranate seeds]

What do you think of kaz / wheme, skitter?

[skitter30]

sigh asking the tough questions. that's next up to firm up
(i'm working on it, i promise)

[skitter30]

i'm kinda happy i got to reasonably-confident-town-you
that at least makes the game easier from my pov

[WhemeStar]

I’m ready to get today over with

[WhemeStar]

I’m happy my read was right but sad that it made me scum for being right

[WhemeStar]

This game has stalled out it looks like

[WhemeStar]

I’m on vacation til Sunday shouldn’t really effect much just wanted to let you guys know.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Yeah I mean at this point I'm just waiting for feedback from other people the only thing I could do is try to put my entire whemestar sus into one post but I'm too tired right now, for now I'm just checking into see if other people post.

[six pomegranate seeds]

Game is kinda dead tbh lol.

[Kazyan]

Yeah, I'm just sitting around now. I've made up my mind about voting Whemestar tomorrow, so I'm waiting until we're ready.