Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

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Post Post #3500 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:03 am

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In post 3493, Titus wrote:
In post 3482, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3469, Titus wrote:Tammy, who do you think is scum?

I'm leaning Pooky, GreyICE and Spiffeh.
no more BM? I was like confscum a couple pages ago? :igmeou:
My foundation was off for calling you scum. Prism pointed that out to me. I still don't like you not having any solid townreads but your votes don't make you confscum.
eh, lack of solid townreads is probably more to do with how closely i've been following the game and how gross the end of yesterday was.

does everyone believe my miller claim btw? most ppl seemed to gloss over it - thought it would get some comment.

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Post Post #3501 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:04 am

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In post 3499, Bell wrote:
In post 3476, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3444, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3443, Spiffeh wrote:I received it at the start of Afternoon today.
Upon receipt, a player may choose to interact with one Artifact in their possession per game phase. They may either use it or transfer the selected Artifact to another player rather than using it. This counts as the player's Artifact interaction for the night.
Transfers may only be performed during the Night phase.
If transferred, the recipient will be informed of the Artifact's Power and Negative Effect. They may also use any non-Artifact actions they have from their role, including the factional kill if Mafia. There is a limit of one non-factional kill role action used per player per phase.

Uhm how Spiffeh?
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This is pretty selective reading. It starts with “upon receipt,” which I won’t go into further since I’ve already revealed enough. In general no, you’re wrong.
Yes, I think you should go further into it.

I do not think this is selective reading here.

Explain it like I am 5 here please.
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Post Post #3502 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:05 am

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And BM I noted your Miller claim and am just kinda not focused there atm.
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Post Post #3503 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:10 am

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In post 3497, Battle Mage wrote:Mod - can you please confirm if it is mechanically possible for artifacts to be transferred outside of the night phase/morning vote mechanic?
The rules contained in the first post of the game are all we will comment on this matter:

In post 1, penguin_alien wrote:
Game-Specific Rules and Information

1) There is only one anti-town faction in play for this game (Mafia). There are four Mafia-aligned players.
2) This game uses a Night phase and a Day phase. The Day phase is split up into two sections: Morning and Afternoon. Morning will have a 48 hour deadline and Afternoon will have a 192 hour (eight day) deadline. Night will be 48 hours.
3) There will be a Night 0 in this game. It will last 48 hours. No factional kill will be available to the Mafia team for this Night phase only.
4) A significant mechanic in this game is the distribution of Artifacts. The abilities they grant are all one-shot and work by the following rules:
Each Artifact has a flavor name taken from the source material, an action (Power) it provides, and a Negative Effect that will activate upon use. Before distribution, the default state of information on all Artifacts is flavor name only. Upon receipt, the recipient(s) will be told its Power and its Negative Effect. At this point a general Power description will also be attached to the flavor name for ease of comprehension, but the description of the Power is the final authority on how it works mechanically. All Powers in the game are non-refundable.

Upon receipt, a player may choose to interact with one Artifact in their possession per game phase. They may either use it or transfer the selected Artifact to another player rather than using it. This counts as the player's Artifact interaction for the night. Transfers may only be performed during the Night phase. If transferred, the recipient will be informed of the Artifact's Power and Negative Effect. They may also use any non-Artifact actions they have from their role, including the factional kill if Mafia. There is a limit of one non-factional kill role action used per player per phase.

Two Artifacts are presented to the Mafia at the start of the Night phase. They pick one to keep by the end of the Night phase (along with a recipient for it, among their faction or elsewhere) and one that will go to the game thread at the start of the Morning, where the living players will vote on the recipient of that Artifact decided by plurality. The Morning will end if a majority vote is reached for the Artifact recipient.

Other Artifact distribution mechanics may be in play throughout the game. A set number of Artifacts were designed prior to game start. If the Warehouse is unable to distribute enough Artifacts during the game for a given phase at any point, a priority list has been designated by the mod for the distribution of remaining Artifacts. Once there are no more Artifacts to distribute, no new ones will be generated and the game will continue without that mechanic in play

5) Elimination in this game will be referred to as Bronzing by the mods and for the purposes of all role- and Artifact-related information. Bronzing is decided by majority vote, defined as (50% + 1) rounded down of living players.
6) There may be mechanics that change the number of votes required to Bronze; these will always be known to the affected players.
7) The page count limit for each Day phase will be equal to 5 x # of living players (mod posts subtracted from the count). After that point, each living player may make a single post that must contain a vote for the remainder of the Day phase. Posting beyond that will result in a mod kill (Canceled by SyFy). This count includes Morning and Afternoon phases combined.
8) Vote counts are intended to be posted at least every 24 hours, more frequently as judged necessary by the mods. Requests for vote counts made in the game thread will not be honored; please PM the mod or post in a factional PT if requesting a vote count.
9) Please note the win conditions specified in the sample Role PMs. They may be slightly different from what is normally seen.
10) If you've actually read all this so far, you now know that the Role PM confirmation phrase is 'Endless Wonder' because I'm corny that way.
11) Day talk will be enabled.
12) In the event abilities used by a Town player and a Mafia player 'clash,' the Mafia player's action will take priority.
13) All flips will be Character Name, aligned with {Town, Mafia}, Town/Mafia [role name], in possession of (Artifact inventory with flavor names only listed) has been Bronzed.
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Post Post #3504 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:11 am

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I think it is because the item in question was in limbo.
It was pretty clearly talking about artifacts that you received through the selection process, not artifacts in general. You’re being fairly anti-town. Not that I needed more evidence of that. ~
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Post Post #3505 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:12 am

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who is bell?
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Post Post #3506 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:13 am

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Pretty much reading the rules more closely you will see that there are phases to artifacts.
There is the default state and then there is the received state which reveals the full information of the artifact. The rules discussed only refer to received artifacts not default state artifacts.

And that’s the last thing I have to say about that I think.
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Post Post #3507 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 am

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In post 3505, Battle Mage wrote:who is bell?
MB.
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Post Post #3508 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 am

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This is incredibly stupid. The night transfer refers to a universal ability to interact with artifacts in your inventory, where you can pass off artifacts only at night. Bell's is not a standard inventory pass off and is blatantly role-related. The rules do not give specific guidance for other distribution mechanisms, such as artifacts unlocked/distributed purely through roles.

No one is lying and this is a giant waste of time.
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Post Post #3509 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:17 am

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Sorry, role or artifact USAGE related (eg. One artifact might spawn another)

Either way it doesn't really matter and this is a pointless circus
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Post Post #3510 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:18 am

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I don’t think that’s what it says.

I think it says artifacts can only be transferred at night.

It’s a pretty important distinction.

I don’t think artifacts can be passed during the day here.

Can someone please look at this?

I find it odd both Bell and Spiffeh are saying what seems logically impossible/bastard?

Pedit:

I don’t see how this is pointless. This seems like impossible?
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Post Post #3511 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:18 am

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In post 3503, Cabd wrote:Other Artifact distribution mechanics may be in play throughout the game.
yea says this right here

I don't even get what you guys are talking about
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Post Post #3512 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:19 am

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this is such a pointless thing to lie about like r u guys serious
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Post Post #3513 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:19 am

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Lol. Can we please eliminate math blade.
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Post Post #3514 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:19 am

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In post 3511, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3503, Cabd wrote:Other Artifact distribution mechanics may be in play throughout the game.
yea says this right here

I don't even get what you guys are talking about
Those would also have to happen at night right?

Because the OP says that’s the only time artifacts can be passed.
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Post Post #3515 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:21 am

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I am going to focus on work but this seems off and I would like an explanation that makes sense please when I get off work.
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Post Post #3516 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:22 am

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i think you might be taking it too literally dude.

the point of the line I quoted means that literally anything can happen.

as in the Mods have not described everything that could possibly happen in the rule section.

They threw in a line that basically means we haven't exhaustively described every possible thing that could happen.

like artifacts that move at other times

or roles that move artifacts at other times

or any kind of other thing that could happen...
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Post Post #3517 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:23 am

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Cakez has also been very explicit that his role works EoD for literally the entire game, the timeline with Spiffeh is 100% fine.

P-EDIT:
FOR INTERACTING WITH YOUR OWN INVENTORY,
you can only pass at night

This says nothing about about artifacts that
ARE NOT IN YOUR INVENTORY
, eg. ones that you create midday with your role.

The entire paragraph you took that excerpt from limiting to one action is
ABOUT YOUR INVENTORY


I can go on and on and on about this, ex. LLD demonstrated separation of artifact-related role powers and artifact usage already, but please stop
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Post Post #3518 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:56 am

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In post 3513, Bell wrote:Lol. Can we please eliminate math blade.
I would be down for eliminating MathBlade. I think it may flip town but his stubborn refusal to listen to anyone is grating. I want actual discussion, which I turn to everyone else for.

What do you think of Spiffeh?
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Post Post #3519 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:44 am

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In post 3518, Titus wrote:
In post 3513, Bell wrote:Lol. Can we please eliminate math blade.
I would be down for eliminating MathBlade. I think it may flip town but his stubborn refusal to listen to anyone is grating. I want actual discussion, which I turn to everyone else for.

What do you think of Spiffeh?
I want actual discussion too.

Just where scum likely is.

I don’t understand what Pooky and Prism are saying but I will roll with it and save my concerns for post game.
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Post Post #3520 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:46 am

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happy to report i'm on a 6-game winning streak, for first time ever! so try not to fk this up, eh town? :lol:
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Post Post #3521 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:07 pm

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In post 3520, Battle Mage wrote:happy to report i'm on a 6-game winning streak, for first time ever! so try not to fk this up, eh town? :lol:
We could use your help.
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Post Post #3522 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:00 pm

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You guys are assuming spiffeh got their artifact by transfer, and not by a role or just because a specific artifact was meant to go to a specific place at a specific time
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Post Post #3523 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:09 pm

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In post 3406, Spiffeh wrote:VOTE: borkjerfkin
honestly fuck off.
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Post Post #3524 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:10 pm

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i fucking hope you're scum at this point.
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