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[Farkran]

2746 doesn't make any sense to me honestly, Fark. What do you mean by-

because he's involuntarily forced himself in a position where he can't comfortably vote anyone else without looking scummy now so he just *has* to commit to his current reads regardless

Why can't scum!Pooky vote anywhere else outside of his current scumreads or whatever?

In particular i think he dug himself down a hole when he voted lucy - lucy hasn't been scummy and i believe even skitter came to understand that (correct me if i'm wrong here) yet pooky keeps saying Lucy's votes follow a scumdriven agenda - like, what agenda is scum!lucy following exactly with her vote pattern? I've been asking for an explanation for a billion years but the answer is always the same, "lucy has an agenda" - supported by non-significative absolute wording like obviousz/ridiculous/terrible without backing them up with actual explanations

Pooky keeps raising the point that it's stupid for scum!him to vote Lucy when she's been townreading and buddying him all game - do you agree or disagree with this?

I retract these points about pooky

but at the time i believed that scum!pooky's hardtunneling on town came from the fact that he had to take those stances in order to keep up a facade of pocketing skitter mostly. Note how he didn't go against literally any of skitter reads for the longest time - voting anywhere in skitter townbin would look bad for him

But then he softclaimed to defend you while skitter was promoting your lim so i scratched that thought, it's too bold a move from pooky if it was just for pocketing purposes

[Farkran]

Last time I played with skitter she pushed town!me while defending scum!Aldu for all of day 1. I managed to get Aldu eventually and was nightkilled night 1 though. 'm not saying this to shade skitter but to explain why I don't take her reads as gospel and why I wasn't putting as much stock into the Menalque read as others were - she can be wrong just like everyone else (you're still great though, skitter22)

Yeah i think this is the game i kept referencing when talking about how skitter can be the most stubborn about her reads regardless of alignment (or maybe even a bit more when town)

I was in a hydra with Kerset, i was part of the group who wanted to flip aldus, skitter fought fiercely against the lim and we only managed to get to a compromise like 30 minutes before deadline

And aldus was scum

[Farkran]

I

might

just be pocketed by Fark. His defense of me could be from scum in the way he keeps asking what the case is on me when it's been stated multiple times by Chara, or at least its case has been. Norwee's defense of me feels a lot more genuine.

I wanna see what Day has to say. Pooky's scumread on Fark is intriguing and i don't think it's scum indicative for Pooky. But my reads allign with most of Farkrans, excluding their scumread on Pooky.

Yeah, it's hard to tell. This 1v1 or attack has spanned like 40 pages so it's hard to really get into the meat of it. 'm trying though.

Oh, and Pooky's definitely town, he's gotta be

You do realize that in isaac i only wked you because i was forced to :> and i lost that game so it's not like i had some huge success with that strategy

Also iirc i think i literally posted in the scum pt that i was about to push against you d2, so that pocket attempt was very far from my plans

So yeah i know it's just my word but trust me as scum i don't wk people that have a fair chance to be limed just out of nowhere

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

However my strong townread of lucy doesn't come from the mena vote, rather from how she went against skitter before and after the mena phase. There's no reason for scum!lucy to go against skitter at that point, she could very well unvote and fade from the thread instead. Starting a new wagon against skit is the worst possible move for scum!her at that point in time, no matter how high the chances for the menalque wagon to die she would always look better if she stayed put. Skitter was already on the warpath because of her townread on menalque, why would you as scum attack a charismatic player that had very little chances to be flipped anyways - you either pocket her or leave her be - the only reason Lucy could do that is because she genuinely scumreads skitter. My strong point here is not how Lucy scumreaded or townreaded menalque but what she has been doing around that moment.

Strong town-reading someone for making suboptimal moves without clear scum motive is just WIFOM.

Like when I say I kind of townread Ali for passing on a Mena elim -

that only applies if Mena is actually town.

and Ali-scum had to give something up to get it, aka passing on an easy quick elim opportunity.

Like what you're saying is you townread Lucy for playing sup optimally if she were scum... but like she didn't lose anything from moving her vote from Mena to Skitter, where it used to be before she tried to quick-elim Mena at E1...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if I were to strong townread skitter.

and then suddenly vote her.

Would I get a strong townread from you? because the move makes no sense and I'm attacking someone who is charismatic?

I just don't think your strong townread here makes any sense given the circumstances. Also your scumread on me for voting Lucy makes no sense either.

Like why did you scumread me for voting for Lucy, someone who is townreading/buddying me ? That is actually against my wincon if I were actually scum since I'm literally attacking someone who has townbinned me.

[Farkran]

And I think it's weird they're not letting go given Pooky's confidence 'm town because of his role. Especially for PenguinPower actually, he top townreads Pooky so it's strange he doesn't trust his opinion when it comes to this and wants to continue voting me. Chara's vote makes a little more sense because its given a lot of reasoning for why it believes 'm scum, whereas PenguinPower has given none

VOTE: PenguinPower

I can relate, but pp isn't my fav choice, i think it's just pp being pp

Pedit: pooky, despite how much you said that i don't read/don't try to undestand your reasons, i do. And i did even when i was scumreading you. They just don't make sense to me, i'm sorry - what you call "suboptimal" i would call "immensely risky for literally no reward" and i find that implausible. You say she lost nothing, i say she also gained nothing, she just drew attention on herself when she could easily UTR by just unvoting, or even by *not* unvoting. There was no attempt from lucy to take a leading position in the town, so it makes no sense for her to try and get one at that moment in time. Scum!her just keeps pushing on mena or unvotes

Pedit2: yeah, ok, you can explain anything with wifom but you should at least try to understand when wifom is just not realistic. Also i've been limming people who townreaded me as scum plenty of times, why would i not? I even nightkilled people who hardtownreaded me. You will need to remove them anyways if you think they can be a problem for you later on, and that depends on the player. Sometimes, you even get *more* townreaded by attacking people who already townread you.

[PenguinPower]

And I think it's weird they're not letting go given Pooky's confidence 'm town because of his role. Especially for PenguinPower actually, he top townreads Pooky so it's strange he doesn't trust his opinion when it comes to this and wants to continue voting me. Chara's vote makes a little more sense because its given a lot of reasoning for why it believes 'm scum, whereas PenguinPower has given none

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm waiting for my summoned votecount. My magic appears to be weak atm.

[skitter30]

I'm almost at the point where i'm willing to compromise on mena (sorry)

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Sorry i'll followup tonight, i gotta get back to work

I'm very aware that we're going wrong somewhere

Fwiw i dont think luca is scum
I'm realizing i can see chara-scum too tbh

I'll bbl

i had nearly 6 straight hours of back-to-back meetings today, so that was fun

mena i still think you're town fairly strongly but we're kinda close to needing a flip and you're the likeliest to happen tbh
like purely pragmatic, not in any way cuz i think you're scum

~
does anyone townread chara strongly? and if so explain that read possibly?

[skitter30]

Last time I played with skitter she pushed town!me while defending scum!Aldu for all of day 1. I managed to get Aldu eventually and was nightkilled night 1 though. 'm not saying this to shade skitter but to explain why I don't take her reads as gospel and why I wasn't putting as much stock into the Menalque read as others were - she can be wrong just like everyone else (you're still great though, skitter22)

i'm not quite sure i ever sorted out who was in that hydra
but fair enough

[skitter30]

pooky is clearly town, ali is probably town, mena is probably town

[innocentvillager]

And I think it's weird they're not letting go given Pooky's confidence 'm town because of his role. Especially for PenguinPower actually, he top townreads Pooky so it's strange he doesn't trust his opinion when it comes to this and wants to continue voting me. Chara's vote makes a little more sense because its given a lot of reasoning for why it believes 'm scum, whereas PenguinPower has given none

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm waiting for my summoned votecount. My magic appears to be weak atm.

there’s a vc on pg147

sorry, sometimes I can only get to this once per day

[PenguinPower]

My magic did work! I missed an entire page however....

VOTE: norwee

[LegoLucy]

I hate all of you btw if ywall actually no elim

VOTE: No Elimination

[LegoLucy]

i know, i was going to just unvote for the moment but i thought i'd rather be on Day than not have a vote in.

town

[skitter30]

this game is hard, i feel like i have reasons to townread nearly everyone, but we need to flip someone.

i am willing to compromise on mena (under noted protest)
i think fark could be scummy
i could probably vote chara or nor or lucy as well

the people i absolutely woudln't vote ever are: pooky, ss, luca, penguin
probably wouldn't vote ydrasse or day or ali as well unless literally forced to because of the deadline

it would be helpful if everyone laid something similar out so that we know what our options are

[Day]

Why do you townread Pengo, skitter?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter do you have a read on Penguin?

[skitter30]

it isn't as strong as i would like, tbf
but i'm usually kinda decent at reading him and he's now trending in the +town direction
and i'm p confident that if i had a full day with him (vs. him just repping in late), i'll be able to have a very good read on him

pedit or to summarize: +town on penguin, not super confident, but i'm confident i can be confident tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm here:

won't vote out: Day, Skitter, SS, Norwee
can compromise on: Mena, Ydra, Ali, Pengy, Luca
ok to flip: Lucy, Chara
want to flip: Farkran

[Day]

Thanks for the replies, Fark. My gut still says you're town tbh. I believe you when you say you as scum you don't just arbitrarily wk people without a good reason for it, and that's what you would've been doing this game regarding me

Btw, I realised this game has a lot of parallels to that Pick your Power game:

- You were scumreading me early and then reconsidered and started townreading me
- skitter was scumreading me and continued scumreading me
- skitter thought Menalque was town, you thought he was scum
- Menalque flips scum??? (probably not)

[LegoLucy]

I'm here:

won't vote out: Day, Skitter, SS, Norwee
can compromise on: Mena, Ydra, Ali, Pengy, Luca
ok to flip: Lucy, Chara
want to flip: Farkran

awful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

where are you at?

[Menalque]

Reminder that Fark is unable to substantiate his point that I’m scum

Also has been ignoring me calling him on this multiple times

Also has had not interest in trying to actually engage with me for at least 50 pages and arguably for the entire game, despite being more confident in me!scum than any other player

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you vote fark then dude?

[Day]

I think Norwee is part of the village because he went through thought process and talked about how sometimes on different time if someone fought him he would think the attacker was a wolf but for Luca he didn't think that. He said Luca was bad at the game. Luca would only be bad at the game if Luca is guessing Norwee's rolecard wrong. Of course it could be a lie that Norwee is telling but Norwee just the meander path of his thoughtstream doesn't go there as much if norwee were to be a wolf, norwee would spend more time on other things. I think.

Menalque he has been quiet but early on I remember a small good feeling i don't remember why. I think it is bad that he is not wonder about skitter. even if it is not how he can win as villager i think he would wonder you can see the different with pooky pooky wonder if Ydrasse is good or is she is bad even though he decided he will not vote her either way

so menalque kinda middle now i guess

I don't feel strong but skitter seems more evil.

Menal is tired and there are many types of tired

Skitter is awake and use her eyes to puppet

And her readings are bad.

Menal readings are good he thought I was a wolf but his reason was smart even though wrong

Skitter readings are wrong. Maybe even right. Doesn't matter. The reasons are bad. Lie reasons. Wolf.

She make cliche over and over again for her readings. Stories from past game she pretend were here. Like Luca not expecting followers. When you look at Luca today and actually he is dressed up like pied piper.

It is how she play fable game wolf game

Fark, could you show me where in this progression indicated to you that Lucy was scumreading or unsure about Mene? She always had him as town or netraul to me before she changes her mind and votes him in

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