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[clidd]

@Vfp

I need you again. What's your pov on the gamestate?

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.11

Dannflor (0)-

Amélie (1)-

VFP

DrippingGoofball (5)-

RLotus, clidd, DrippingGoofball, dannflor, Gretchen

(E-1)

AliceK (0)-

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen (1)-

Amélie

VFP (0)-

RLotus (1)-

AliceK

clidd (3)-

geraintm, bugspray, Solon

bugspray (0)-

Solon (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

Frozen at 48 hours

[clidd]

Spoiler:

She strikes me as rigid scum

Her reads and views aren’t adapting, she still wants to push my elim because..????

Maybe that’s why I wasn’t NK’d, because she’d have to actually alter her stance

VOTE: Alice

I liked my Alice vote but no-one seems interested in her elim for some reason?

We are nearing deadline and I have quite a fever and don’t feel like reading up right now. I’m just going to sheep the only player I know is Town for the sake of a wagon

VOTE: DGB

One thought that came to my mind, btw, is the fact that Solon had an approximate period of 6 days of inactivity and received no prod.

I suppose that N_M could have just forgotten, but an interesting theory was if Solon was posting on some PT but not in the main chat and N_M was under the illusion that Solon was active and not needing a prod.

This is disgusting

VOTE: Clidd

@mod

can you confirm why I wasn’t prodded?

@Solon

By the way, what happened in this line of thinking?

You did not interact with Alice once and she did not react to your suspicion. Suddenly you switch to a sheep and then to me after I announce a good theory about scum!you.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's actually your reaction to Dann having a possible guilty on you.

Sure

[Dannflor]

It's actually your reaction to Dann having a possible guilty on you.

Sure

I mean this + the fact that you seem determined to not play this game

if you had never revealed your night target you would not be run up right now

[DrippingGoofball]

If I had not revealed it I'd be run up too, thanks to you.

[RLotus]

If I had not revealed it I'd be run up too, thanks to you.

Being run up the second time is 100% on you

[DrippingGoofball]

I have to be eliminated. We can leave a player alive that was tracked to the NK. So yeah it's on me and I am the right play and I don't know why it's taking so long.

[DrippingGoofball]

CAN'T LEAVE not can leave

[clidd]

If you are town it will never be the right move to eliminate your slot from your perspective.

It's ok if you don't want to discuss the issue of being followed to the NK anymore, but it's part of your job to share as many things as possible from what you're thinking, regardless of having bad logic or being inaccurate reads. It shouldn't be difficult to be transparent if you are coming from a town mentality.

[DrippingGoofball]

I investigated a lursack, multiple player slot scum read. How was i supposed to guess that the scum would choose to eliminate the worst player slot in the game? My mind still boggles.

The scum left the skilled players alive because the scum are skilled players.

[VFP]

@Vfp

I need you again. What's your pov on the gamestate?

Sorry I was being a farmer!

DGB holding the vote on itself is what seems a lot worse than the entire reaction with Dann, and the target etc.
I still think the claim / visit makes sense more as town but I honestly feel that Lim here could be better for town even on a town flip. Partially because of how DGB is playing (I do understand if it's because of how games as a whole have gone recently it feels pointless... I've been in this state myself a few times). However, I fear here that even if DGB towns it up, people are going to use the same case, same reason over and over and stalling the game. Even more so if a new body was to take the slot. Feeling defeated shouldn't be AI imo. Problem is, it's hard to disagree with the reasons for DGB and explain why wrong because of the defeatest play.
Biped was not a slot tough to push, so DGB killing it's read of scum here means more work to do the next day... The way DGB has reacted today, I don't see the mind set to want to put more effort in (as scum).

I'm not sure why DGB won't answer my question about amelie though. It does make me think that DGB could straight up be scum protecting scum buddie amelie. But that's just too easy unless amelie has a good power and DGB was just a goon. This was be less likely imo still, but it's in the back of my head.
Amelie just ignoring me, but could just be busy so I'll give the benefit of doubt here since I haven't been on since either. For now I'm going to keep Amelie in my sight as basically said by yourself (Clidd) but since the lim is struggling here I want to get inforamtion moving on. I really have to look over details properly tomorrow, as I am starting to feel stronger each time amelie posts that I'm right.

The 2 wagons are DGB and Clidd.
Scum are probably safely sitting on here {geraintm, bugspray, Solon} Be it scum with Clidd (less likely) or not.
I don't see scum players on DGB... Maybe just DGB is scum but again, this is pretty low imo.

Scum team could just simply be amelie, Alice, and BugSpray.
But regardless I go back to what I was saying earlier and thing scum currently just don't care.
Bugspray was the only 1 of the 3 to be on the amelie wagon, but the vote itself was pretty weak, to just jump off with the opportunity onto Clidd. The vote can be seen as voting for credit and actually not sure if a lim... Or knowing not a lim and trying to look town for voting there or to make people back off. I don't regret taking my vote off amelie as I think the move onto Clidd, and Clidd being the counter wagon right now says a lot. Even as scum, there's very much lack of evedence or reasons to go with it.

Alice straight up isn't paying attention to the game. Basically wasting a vote, not trying to solve anything. Won't even give a solid read on amelie and yet avoids when we have a wagon there.

Basicaly...

@DGB

Give me something to work with. Stop voting yourself and I'll put/continue the effort into pushing amelie, Bug or Alice. If you don't want to work with me on this I don't want to put the effort in just to go round in circles and even if not a lim today, back to it tomorrow.
What was the big town tell from 1295 concerning amelie?
What's your view on BugSpray now? Still town
What's your vire on Alice and being distant from the game?

Lets start on those.

[DrippingGoofball]

Lim here could be better for town even on a town flip.

Yep

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not sure why DGB won't answer my question about amelie though. It does make me think that DGB could straight up be scum protecting scum buddie amelie.

I did answer, I was on mobile and awkwardly quoted.

I'm the yeet for today, you'll see soon enough that I'm not "protecting my buddy Amelie."

[DrippingGoofball]

Basicaly... @DGB Give me something to work with.

Bugspray was widely townread, he had no reason to NK defensively. From his perspective, an unstable (replacement/lurksack) slot NK would make sense.

A replacement could scumread him.

Just a theory. Other players were widely townread too.

[clidd]

Thank you, Vfp. Your pov helped me a lot.

I'm starting to think that this is not going to flip scum, although the player's conduct is being negatively pro-scum/anti-town.

[clidd]

I was waiting to see how it would react, but honestly, I feel that the only argument I have is its reaction + claim, but not necessarily that it is trying to take advantage of something or advance a scum agenda. I believe that its AtE, unlike what I mentioned earlier, is more likely to be real-town than real-scum.

I have no intention of advocating a political elimination, personally speaking.

[clidd]

I don't want to discourage anyone who genuinely thinks that the slot is scum, but for those who are voting due to the reasons I mentioned (anti-town conduct/withdrawal/AtE/claim&reaction), it would be good to take a step back, at least for now.

I'll do a reread in the meantime, considering that we're waiting for bug's replacement.

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball

[VFP]

I did answer, I was on mobile and awkwardly quoted.

I'm the yeet for today, you'll see soon enough that I'm not "protecting my buddy Amelie."

Post 1328, Amelie.From "He feels like" to "townread me."

That's the town tell. I still can't figure out how to select text on mobile.

Your post is 1295 when you say there is a town tell.
1328 happens after. Can you at least say what post made amelie have a big town read?

Bugspray was widely townread, he had no reason to NK defensively. From his perspective, an unstable (replacement/lurksack) slot NK would make sense.

A replacement could scumread him.

Just a theory. Other players were widely townread too.

If I'm right in thinking what you mean here, Bug can be scum and the kill would make sense?
While reading through the Biped slot I found this, which I can't understand how I missed originally...

I have a role that synergises with Gretchen's in such a way that makes me believe the claim is town.

So the kill makes sense from scum just to get rid of a PR.
But then this does go to question why this PR instead of the others? I have thoguhts but as it's just full speculation it's worthless.

The scum team isn't Alice / amelie / Bugspray though. I'm pretty certain on this. Although at this point I'd be confident to say 1 in there 100% and plausible that 2 are. These slots need looking at with night actions to at least help with mis lims.
Killing Biped over the other PR claims has me interested, and although I want to lim outside of these today I'm back to thinking 1 is in here... But only 1.
Amelie could really just be the mis lim scum were just wanting.

I want to look into BugSpray next as the main focus but I need the slot to be replaced for that.
First I need to go over the reads though, so anyones updated reads of that slot is appriciated.

[RLotus]

I hate it sososo much that defeatism like that gets town read on here, it is so gross. Such a free defense for scum to do

[RLotus]

Shut down and do nothing and get town read for it, so absurd

[VFP]

I hate it sososo much that defeatism like that gets town read on here, it is so gross. Such a free defense for scum to do

You mis understand me. I do not town read DGB because of this and I'm trying to make it clear that it's NAI. You can't sit there and say it's a scum trait either when complaining about it being 'town read' of others.
Explain to me why DGB is scum outside of 'scum defeatist' or the Dann effect, which fall under the same section for me.

[DrippingGoofball]

1286 is the post I meant.

[DrippingGoofball]

Shut down and do nothing and get town read for it, so absurd

It's a refreshing change from being yeeted because my efforts are too townie to be town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Anyway Lotus

You sound like frustrated scum.