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[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Lotus

[RLotus]

A convenient check on the night target when DGB presumed they got tracked, when there are already 4 PRs

Hams up the woe is me act conventiently when there is pressure on them. If you notice in between the time their wagon collapsed and they got wagoned again, they were fairly quiet. It's as if it is a survival effort.

[RLotus]

and is voting the green check

[RLotus]

I feel like I'm the only one suspicious of the fact there are 5 prs am i going crazy or something

[Not_Mafia]

LlamaFluff replaces Bugspray. Deadline has been extended.

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.12

Dannflor (0)-

Amélie (1)-

VFP

DrippingGoofball (4)-

RLotus, DrippingGoofball, dannflor, Gretchen

(E-2)

AliceK (0)-

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen (1)-

Amélie

VFP (0)-

RLotus (1)-

AliceK

clidd (3)-

geraintm, Llamafluff, Solon

LlamaFluff (0)-

Solon (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

clidd

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-03-25 19:00:00)

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Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

[LlamaFluff]

Its been three years so lets do this...

Everyone needs to in their next post give a brief summary of the game so far and an explanation of their current vote. I dont want essays but enough for me to get a better idea of what happened in real time than reading 60 pages in a night which im doing now. Think one paragraph for each.

Unvote

[Not_Mafia]

AliceK has been prodded.

[DrippingGoofball]

and is voting the green check

You're a green check how

[VFP]

A convenient check on the night target when DGB presumed they got tracked, when there are already 4 PRs

Hams up the woe is me act conventiently when there is pressure on them. If you notice in between the time their wagon collapsed and they got wagoned again, they were fairly quiet. It's as if it is a survival effort.

Okay lets discuss who town DGB visits there? Do you think it visits Biped or someone else? I'm not holding a loaded gun with this question btw.
Having 4 claimed PR's isn't much of an argument as if DGB is town, the thoguht wouldn't be there. Neither should it be a first claim first serve situation.

Concerning the posting during the votes. DGB doesn't really post between the voting wagons, correct and I can see this looking as hiding back. There's a common pattern I do notice though. There's lack of discussion focused at DGB to get response but rather only talking about DGB for the same situation to other people could be the cause of this. Regardless of the alignment, if you are frustrated and the only posts you are reading about yourself is the frustration / defeatist stance then of course there's going to be a lack of posting there.
If you think DGB is scum then question there too imo.

I could be wrong here with my town read, so I'm going to try and understand the read from 1286.

[VFP]

and is voting the green check

You're a green check how

I got a green light on Lotus

Very likely green light anyway

I don’t feel the need to reveal the specifics at this point, you’ll see when I flip

I can tell you now that Lotus will never be today's lim

[VFP]

Its been three years so lets do this...

Everyone needs to in their next post give a brief summary of the game so far and an explanation of their current vote. I dont want essays but enough for me to get a better idea of what happened in real time than reading 60 pages in a night which im doing now. Think one paragraph for each.

Unvote

My town reads.
Clidd / Gretchen / Solon / Lotus
Probably town
Dann / DGB / geraintm
Scum some where
amelie / Alice/ you
I'm wrong somewhere, but I don't know where yet.

Solon claims green check on Lotus
DGB claims to have visited Biped who was the night kill (Reaction to Dann, thinking Dann was tracker)
PR claims are in DGB / Dann / Solon / Gretchen (Biped claimed PR)

Recent wagons
amelie E-1
DGB E-1
Clidd E-3

That's most of it I guess?

[LlamaFluff]

Still catching up but first entirely confusing thing that needs clarification:

Update:

{April Ludgate} {bugspray}
{geraintm} {RLotus}
{AliceK}
{MiniMegabyte}
{Klick}
{Amélie} {Gretchen}
{HypoSoc}
{DrippingGoofball}
{Da Dude}

Update:

{April Ludgate} {bugspray}

{geraintm}

{MiniMegabyte}

↑

{RLotus}

↓

{Klick} {AliceK}

↓

{Amélie} {Gretchen}

{HypoSoc}

{DrippingGoofball}

{Da Dude}

Alice and Lotus never posted between these two lists. What happened?

[LlamaFluff]

Also I want a few more detailed thoughts on each other from the following pairings which I am really interested in at around page 30

Geranitum-Clidd (Alice weigh in with thoughts on both)
Dann-VFP

[VFP]

1286 is the post I meant.

He feels like he knows I'm town and is constantly thinking about ways to scum read me in his long and wordy posts that really are just saying things that could be summed up in three sentences. I don't see a reason for scum Lotus to not just hammer me at E-1 but I also don't see why town Lotus would townread me.

This is in regards to Geraint's 1269

Maybe a town tell. The first sentence more so than the second. Lotus voting or not there should be NAI, plus the green check was also posted by this.

@amelie

I know the stance changed since Geraint's confirmation of mis typing your name. However, what did you mean by constantly thinking about ways to scum read you? Can you give examples of where else you felt reasons were made up?
I also would like you to address 1332. Mainly the Clidd part as the rest is just going to be petty back and fourth from us I feel like. Basically, why did the opinion change from scum 511 to town 578?

[VFP]

Also I want a few more detailed thoughts on each other from the following pairings which I am really interested in at around page 30

Geranitum-Clidd (Alice weigh in with thoughts on both)
Dann-VFP

I don't understand your question here?
Pairings as in if they are scum together, or as in interactions?

[LlamaFluff]

Also I want a few more detailed thoughts on each other from the following pairings which I am really interested in at around page 30

Geranitum-Clidd (Alice weigh in with thoughts on both)
Dann-VFP

I don't understand your question here?
Pairings as in if they are scum together, or as in interactions?

What is your read on Dann. Its essentially the question for everyone in that pair.

Again since its been a long time, does anyone have recent NRG experience? X-Day IC, Phycologist and Naïve are all things that at least did not usually use to be commonplace and just wonder if they are now. It appears they all fit the criteria, but dont want to bring in 2015 meta to my thought process if thats dead and gone.

[LlamaFluff]

I also want everyone to give me a somewhat detailed read on Dann. If you want to break out role related stuff and actions in game that is fine.

[LlamaFluff]

And just to pile on more stuff:

@DGB - I dont think we are going for Lotus today. I think he is a VI. Can you explain how you think your role works with other informational claims/flips?

Should fully be caught up tomorrow... glad I got some extra time because I think courses need to be changed.

[LlamaFluff]

And also just for a bit of a backstory on where I am coming from because I think most people here have no idea who I am: I spent 6-7 years as a List Mod (ran Large Theme for a bit and then moreso Open Queue), ran a Open Setup design contest, and worked as a primary reviewer for normal games. Just coming back to the site after about three years away. So thats why im so interested in how meta has shifted in that time as there are things that back when would throw up major flags that I need to see if still holds true.

[LlamaFluff]

Continuing to be repetitive but I really need to make sure everything is moving in good directions... March comes in like a lion yes?

@DGB - Give me your reads on Dann, VFP, Gretchen, Solon and their claim validities. Which one(s) are lying?

[VFP]

What is your read on Dann. Its essentially the question for everyone in that pair.

Right now probably town, but if I had to pick 1 of the PR claims as scum Dann would be my first. Of course, I'm wrong with my town reads somewhere and there's going to be scum in the PRs (No not because of how many there are).
I wasn't in the game at page 30 so I don't have the direct live feel from Dann during the posting.

A few things that I have on my mind but by far not worth pushing today.
- Dann missing the green claim from Solon on Lotus. Claims it's because of finals week so that's why I don't really want to push on this as this seems geniune.
- Dann claiming 90% sure on the DGB being scum, to retract later. I can understand the 90% given if actually looking for a reaction / progression. Just sits on the side line for now as maybe a back track
- Dann hasn't really added much since taking back the tracker imply. Again, finals week so it's just on the side but not sometyhing I'd want to push.

As a whole I think Dann has been voting pretty bad, or at least the reasonnings.
But I just get town vibes when reading Dann's post more than thinking scum.

Again since its been a long time, does anyone have recent NRG experience? X-Day IC, Phycologist and Naïve are all things that at least did not usually use to be commonplace and just wonder if they are now. It appears they all fit the criteria, but dont want to bring in 2015 meta to my thought process if thats dead and gone.

I'm not sure what the meta is now days.
But I'm not Day 4 IC. FL made this claim, and it's by far not the first time FL has claimed something like this.

[LlamaFluff]

Again since its been a long time, does anyone have recent NRG experience? X-Day IC, Phycologist and Naïve are all things that at least did not usually use to be commonplace and just wonder if they are now. It appears they all fit the criteria, but dont want to bring in 2015 meta to my thought process if thats dead and gone.

I'm not sure what the meta is now days.
But I'm not Day 4 IC. FL made this claim, and it's by far not the first time FL has claimed something like this.

Thats what I figured (remind me to elaborate on this a bit more post-game) but wanted to just be sure as im trying to see what I can do to balance/break this game a bit and just needed to be sure.

Given your stance on Dann what is your opinion on DGB as they are quite connected. Also still not all the way through D2 but time is of the essence (especially as while I am working from home I do have a 8-5... or more realistically 7-6... job weekdays) so if I say something dumb that I just havent got to... yeah.

[LlamaFluff]

Also I cant believe I need to say this, but if there is a vig (whether or not you were responsible for the N1 kill) you need to claim immediately.

[LlamaFluff]

Im pretty sure who im voting at this point, but if everyone can try and get answers up ASAP that would be nice. Have to remote in to get a cost estimate done at work tomorrow, but will get the vote and reasoning out too. Just want to make sure I get some opinions where people arent completely sure where my head is at first.

Everyone also should be making it very clear if they think DGB/Dann is Town v Town or which (or I guess both if you want) is scum here.