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[Day]

VC

[Day]

It's simply too much.

I wanted to ask you about something specific, Fark, but I can't remember what it is now and my eyes keep glossing over looking for it.

Overall I seem to keep coming to the same conclusion; he feels kind of Town but I can see how some of his arguments are seen as reachy or possibly pushing an agenda

This articulates how I feel about Farkran right now very well. He still

feels

town, but I just don't agree with most of the arguments he's making right now.

[Day]

VOTE: Chara

[Day]

i don't townread Fark, but i also have a vague impression he does genuinely not want to go after me and i think scum Fark wouldn't care about that as much.

pedit: in the case of Day being town, i just wonder if scum Norwee really isn't interested in pursuing Day to an elimination. it doesn't feel like he's angling for towncred on a town Day flip, more that he's uninterested.

If he's scum, wouldn't there be a reason for the uninterest?

Yes I agree, which is why it makes more sense as s/s to me but idk anymore

I think I just need a flip at this point and I can't see myself voting anyone else today. I will do that ISO on Farkran though just in case

pedit: I'll think about it

town Day and scum Norwee seems the most unlikely to me and is probably the only one i'd rule out.
SvS is possible, town Norwee and scum Day also seems possible, as does them both being town and i'm just being bad.

Why would you rule scum Norwee/town Day out?

Chara! I had some queries.

[Farkran]

I don't know what else to say about my arguments, i feel like i have laid out everything as clear as i could.

I have read that you think i'm being wordy on purpose, i assure you that i am not.

I explained my positions thoroughly because i feel like my posts aren't being read by the people i pushed.

Like, even if you (luca and day) say that you disagree with my takes, you have shown more than once that you have read and tried to understand my pov. You have tried to sort me.

People who are currently pushing me did never do anything like that, they just say that i'm lying/bad faith/nonsensical with the most surface level and naive analysis of the gamestate.

[skitter30]

skitter, did you ever explain why you vanity voted Lucy? You say you didn't go for Fark because you didn't think he was viable in 4373, so what made you go for Lucy instead who in my opinion was even less viable?

Basically, 'm asking why you didn't push Fark or Norwee who both had 2 or 3 of votes iirc as alternatives to Pengo/Mene instead of resting on Lucy as the sole vote who arguably has a harder time getting executed than Fark/Norwee and has less votes.

3991 is the VC.

i felt like she was very obviously scum pushing a false narrative (namely that i was scummy for refusing to vote my scumread - penguin - who i made fairly clear that i wasn't actually scumreading), and she persisted in pushing this even though i tried to correct her multiple times

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im not sure how you're coming out of this that fark still feels townie even though we all agree he's not arguign in good faith here

[Day]

Bad faith implies he's scum. 'm not sure if I just disagree with him and he's tunneled or that's the case yet. If I try and look at it from a town!Fark perspective; he thinks you're scum and comes into today thinking you're scum. He sees you making arguments like you ~never~ kill Pooky night 1, and the hyperbole appears scum-motivated to him because it's scum!skitter using it to her advantage.

4555 - He has qualms with you strengthening your scumread based on Pooky dying. Where does skitter actually say this, Fark? I don't see it.

[Day]

i felt like she was very obviously scum pushing a false narrative (namely that i was scummy for refusing to vote my scumread - penguin - who i made fairly clear that i wasn't actually scumreading), and she persisted in pushing this even though i tried to correct her multiple times

So it was a in the moment thing where she was obvscum to you?

Why don't you ever switch your vote from her to any of the alternatives when it's obvious she's not happening and no one joins you?

[Farkran]

I'm kinda struggling to have s confident read on fark tbh

thanks. if it helps i'm not explicitly scumreading you, ig i just don't find your vibes townie enough to keep you out of the limpool, if that makes sense

you are a very nice player, i thought this while i was frustrated with you in FL vs. Hectic as well, thank you for being nice to have in games.

i try

i'm still feeling a little bit lost about what to do tho

mena i still think you're town fairly strongly but we're kinda close to needing a flip and you're the likeliest to happen tbh

this is dumb and u should do better

i mean what do you want from me at this point ...

I believe this summarizes pretty well how strong your scumread of me was during mid-to-late d1, compared to:

VOTE: skitter

I have a hard time believing you're this naive about your takes while being town

The fuck does it mean that you wouldn't lim the biggest supporter of your highest sr when he's a claimed pr, widely townread except by me and alisae and by killing him you can easily bank on everyone else's lhf-ing me

Also note that in eod you were posturing against pretty much everyone, keeping your options open but not pushing anything strongly.

You were ready to compromise on both mena and pp

and yet you enter the day pushing the surface level lhf and calling the wagon scummy when it took the whole duration of d1 to reach a compromise and i was one of the main antagonizers of that wagon ever since d1 start when suji was still the owner of the slot

Pedit: meh alisae i explained my position on lucy being town like a million times

Could vote alisae as well

nope, i don't believe this is a real read you have, sorry
VOTE: fark for emphasis

don't know what the bolded means
italics: i. was. not. willing. to. compromise. on. penguin.
where on earth this narrative came from is beyond me but i challenge literally anybody to find any semblance of backing to that narrative because i was not

characterizing yourself as lhf is an interesting take, but alright

Note that skitter was already voting me earlier in d2, this is just the emphasis vote.

@Day

[Day]

Can I tag Someone_Smart in?

Something to note is that while reading that whole exchange I had the impression it was the whole town against Farkran and skitter basically only has supporters when it really isn't the case.

skitter stans:

Menalque
Alisae

Farkran stans:

Norwee
Luca

I think what gave me that impression is that skitter is a lot more convincing in her arguments and feels like she has more resolve in what she's arguing. It gives her this inflated presence in a way, and I want to call it towny.

[Day]

Isn't 4370 her reaction to your push?

Before that she seems less sure and only naked votes you in 4346. I don't see her ever say the Pooky nk makes you scummier, but 'm assuming you're saying it's implied that she thinks that based on her actions?

[Day]

She doesn't take kindly to you in 4344 either.

[Day]

i felt like she was very obviously scum pushing a false narrative (namely that i was scummy for refusing to vote my scumread - penguin - who i made fairly clear that i wasn't actually scumreading), and she persisted in pushing this even though i tried to correct her multiple times

So it was a in the moment thing where she was obvscum to you?

Why don't you ever switch your vote from her to any of the alternatives when it's obvious she's not happening and no one joins you?

From the perspective of wanting to save Pengo I mean.

[skitter30]

i didn't like most of them and didn't feel like fark was really viable either + i wasn't around as much on thursday/friday

[Farkran]

I assume 4344 and 4346 as a single post, the only thing that's missing from 4344 is the vote

She never explicitly say that the death of pooky strengthens her scumread, but it's pretty clear that it did since she immediately votes me alongside the the two people who were already banking on that

Pedit how was i not viable when i had the same votes as menalque during eod1...

[Day]

But yes Lucy, Farkran is very likely town.
The way he conducts himself is the same as it used to be and I’m glad it hasn’t changed.

Pretty interesting how strongly Alisae used to townread Fark and how e feels about him now.

867 also.

3546 and we still have that stance.

and then BOOM, we have:

Fark

with no sign of the progression for why.

Why exactly do you scumread Fark now, Ali?

VOTE: Alisae

[Day]

{Luca, Norwee} {Fark} {Day, Lucy}?

Fixed.

I find it scummy because it's definitely a good take for scum!Ali to make if Fark's town, but with how jarring it is, it seems scum-motivated.

[Day]

I townread skitter, 'm mixed on Fark and can't bring myself to vote him on good conscience... it's complicated. I dislike Alisae and Chara.

[Day]

like ur trying to shut this down when it's something you should let develop. We actually talked about this in that game so it's really strange.
Like, why wouldn't Farkran just kill Pooky?

Like how are we jumping to the conclusion that Fark must be town and scum are framing him and completely ignoring the possibility that Fark could have shot Pooky. Like we're skipping steps.

This is the only reasoning I see for Fark being scum from Ali. But given he was a strong townread for the rest of the game for eir, this NKA does not seem like it should be enough to completely flip that read on its head.

[Day]

Fark, I think you mentioned you would vote Ali previously. Want to take a break from the traditional 1v1 and try this out? If you and skitter are both town, Alisae's playing this perfectly as scum. Push you out, have you flip town, skitter loses all of her credibility and becomes a possible miselim.

The problem is it doesn't make sense with how Ali's been reading you this game.

[Farkran]

VOTE: alisae

[Chara]

i don't townread Fark, but i also have a vague impression he does genuinely not want to go after me and i think scum Fark wouldn't care about that as much.

pedit: in the case of Day being town, i just wonder if scum Norwee really isn't interested in pursuing Day to an elimination. it doesn't feel like he's angling for towncred on a town Day flip, more that he's uninterested.

If he's scum, wouldn't there be a reason for the uninterest?

Yes I agree, which is why it makes more sense as s/s to me but idk anymore

I think I just need a flip at this point and I can't see myself voting anyone else today. I will do that ISO on Farkran though just in case

pedit: I'll think about it

town Day and scum Norwee seems the most unlikely to me and is probably the only one i'd rule out.
SvS is possible, town Norwee and scum Day also seems possible, as does them both being town and i'm just being bad.

Why would you rule scum Norwee/town Day out?

Chara! I had some queries.

by the first quote, i believe i meant that i didn't think Norwee was scum if you were town, because i didn't see why he would be uninterested in a Day flip and what he would be getting out of it, because it didn't look like he was looking for that towncred.

i think that explains the second part too.

also, hi!

[Day]

Ah cool, that makes sense.

And hi! How do you feel about


...

Alisae

.

because i think 3 scum were on PP?

Maybe at least 2
would be surprised if scum didn't participate or only 1 scum participated

This take makes me shudder.

[Chara]

10. PenguinPower [7]: LegoLucy#3821, Day#3923, Alisae#4011, PookyTheMagicalBear#4043, Farkran#4045, NorwegianboyEE#4131, Ydrasse#4157

did Ali elaborate on why there would have to be multiple scum on Penguin's wagon?

given Ali was on the wagon eirself... and so it Pooky, i'm not actually sure what this take means or why you specifically have issue with it. is it because it feels arbitrary? i wasn't here at deadline but i know there were wagons besides Penguin that didn't end up getting the votes, but i doubt all of them were on scum which would be a reason i'd consider Penguin to be a scum-driven wagon rather than a compromise one. i also had him in my PoE.

[Chara]

so halfway through writing that if it's not clear, i did realize why you might have a problem, actually, ahaha.

re: Ali, i could vote there, but i wouldn't until i take another crack at Farkran. i'm not going to read his whole ISO, which apparently you were doing and which, if i'm right about who you are, i would very much suggest

not

doing more than once. and in fact i'd likely suggest that even if you weren't who i thought.