Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

Battle Mage · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:37 am

also I'm slightly offended you think if Mozamis was town the player would be better equipped to pick a town council than me!

Enchant · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:38 am

Oh wait, just noticed mozamis suggesting self.

Well btw. Changing vote on Nono.

Enchant · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:44 am

In post 75, Battle Mage wrote:also I'm slightly offended you think if Mozamis was town the player would be better equipped to pick a town council than me!

You though i'm town in first game, there's no gods of scumreading here.

Who you suggest?

Battle Mage · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:48 am

I think Mozamis is scum though. What do you think about the slip?

I'd be fine with Raya picking the order

Enchant · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:54 am

Please point, i can't find words "He is town 100%", i see only attempts to find townie things, which kinda not enough for slip.

Battle Mage · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:57 am

In post 47, mozamis wrote:
In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan
that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.

^mozamis knows I'm town

Enchant · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:58 am

Eeh. Still not getting it.

You really can't know if T-Bone is town or mafia.

Battle Mage · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:01 pm

In post 81, Enchant wrote:Eeh. Still not getting it.

You really can't know if T-Bone is town or mafia.

if I was mafia, I'd know everyone's alignment.

Enchant · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:05 pm

It was hard to understand but finally

He assumed you are doesh't know everyone alignments, in theory claiming you to be town. Right? Well, it could be slip. Though, i find reason silly, because i assuming other players as town, unless have reasons to think otherwise.

Artemiana · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:06 pm

In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.

I'm curious why you think that.

Enchant · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:06 pm

Because you are newbie and he can use old magic on newbies to dominate minds.

Battle Mage · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 83, Enchant wrote:It was hard to understand but finally

He assumed you are doesh't know everyone alignments, in theory claiming you to be town. Right? Well, it could be slip. Though, i find reason silly, because i assuming other players as town, unless have reasons to think otherwise.

yes that's possible. but coupled with the nervousness about heal-voting, I'd say the player is a credible top scumread.

Battle Mage · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:08 pm

In post 84, Artemiana wrote:
In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.
I'm curious why you think that.

do you think you are easy or hard to read? gimme some self-meta

Artemiana · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:10 pm

I iz alt. Newbie I am not.

Do you really think mozamis would be so blatant about being against the council as scum like that?

Aunty Artemis thinks that that man might just feel nervous about trusting people he knows nothing about with power. What if the power is given to someone corrupt?

Pedit: this alt is fresh and new. Not gonna do it

Enchant · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:11 pm

Artemiana, did ya read my plan? What you though and if positive, who you would suggest?

Artemiana · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:11 pm

In post 76, Enchant wrote:Well btw. Changing vote on Nono

???

They didn't even check in yet

Battle Mage · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:12 pm

In post 88, Artemiana wrote:I iz alt. Newbie I am not.

Do you really think mozamis would be so blatant about being against the council as scum like that?

Aunty Artemis thinks that that man might just feel nervous about trusting people he knows nothing about with power. What if the power is given to someone corrupt?

Pedit: this alt is fresh and new. Not gonna do it

have i played with you before?

and yes i could easily see scum struggling with the council mechanic.

Artemiana · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:15 pm

You have, yes

Battle Mage · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:16 pm

In post 92, Artemiana wrote:You have, yes

intriguing. what do you think about me, as a player, and meta-wise?

Artemiana · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:20 pm

I don't think you're the most transparent player but, you do have a good gut. I (think) you're more likely to be active as town, and you're a pusher and prodded.

I also think that you have a tendency to scum read more careful/timid players

Artemiana · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:23 pm

In post 73, Enchant wrote:So listen my suggestion.

I'm not really happy with Battle Mage choose. I feel like he could just grab someone from scumteam. So my suggestion.

We choose one person via majority. After that, this person choose someone. And then, this choosen person will choose third one. And this will be our Council. While it's possible for mafia being in, we gain maximum info from this. Of course it somewhat strange on paper and dunno if necessary, but fun as hell so let's do. No, you can't vote for yourself.

I vote mozamis for Council. He expireinced player as well (2011), but somehow not in list of any councils. So i suggesting him.

I like it. Why do you think join date = experience?

I would take this as a balsy move if you're scum with mozzy

Artemiana · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:26 pm

In post 80, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 47, mozamis wrote:
In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan
that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.
^mozamis knows I'm town

A little early for perspective slips, don't you think? Imo, scum are the most aware of doing these kinds of things too early. I find it much more likely to happen later when they aren't deciding how to play around with the town players and have already gotten a few Miseliminations and have gotten nice and cozy, and more daring

Enchant · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 95, Artemiana wrote:

I like it. Why do you think join date = experience?

I would take this as a balsy move if you're scum with mozzy[/quote]

Because it kinda works. Longer you here, longer you playing mafia here, and so have more expireince. Of course that's not always case, but i don't have other tools to see.

Enchant · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:27 pm

Oh i messed up, well.

Battle Mage · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:40 pm

In post 96, Artemiana wrote:
In post 80, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 47, mozamis wrote:
In post 29, Battle Mage wrote:I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan
that's great and all, but you can't possibly knpw whether he is town or scum yet. Best to unvote.
^mozamis knows I'm town
A little early for perspective slips, don't you think? Imo, scum are the most aware of doing these kinds of things too early. I find it much more likely to happen later when they aren't deciding how to play around with the town players and have already gotten a few Miseliminations and have gotten nice and cozy, and more daring

You may be right about scum awareness being at it's peak early, but I don't think that precludes the possibility of perspective slips. And an alternative take would be that scum are more relaxed about terminology early because they are not in any immediate danger of elimination (RVS etc.). But in any case, the principle of early posting isn't just to establish a baseline, but should be based around the expectation that people could actually do independently alignment indicative things.