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[Gretchen]

amelie, how do you read me now that you see the same thing i see with regards to DGB?

[DrippingGoofball]

yeah llama and bugspray have both been extremely towny. probably my top townread. entrapta was weird in how they left and dann hasn't been CRAZY towny but actually getting a tracker guilty on DGB implies town, maf probably don't track DGB and tracker is also a weird role for maf?

It actually at least (used to be) a fairly common scum role. Pretty much a weaker version of a standard Role Cop. Sort of like a step down from Vanilla Cop due to X-Shot, Night, etc modifiers.

The only issue I have with how everything broke out is that if DGB is town and Dann is scum, he should have been pushing pretty hard on that wagon instead of backing away from it. Thats just getting pretty heavily into theory though and I dont think we can really crack that open too well without a full Dann and Solon claim which we still need.

Funny you should say that about Dunn, that's why I thought it might be scum. Multiple votes and no push felt odd to me.

[clidd]

Alice is e-2 rn.

[clidd]

After a reread on Alice's ISO, she seems like a coinflip

I can easily see scum coasting as well as town coasting.

[clidd]

Which one is more likely?

Well..

[clidd]

She only has one completed game on the site:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[clidd]

As town, of course. 0 experience as scum.

I wonder how she would react after seeing her first red role (if that's the case here).

[clidd]

What kind of agenda? Generally, what have you been doing today that you don't think you'd do as scum? What should we be townreading you for?
Have you been scum before elsewhere?

Eliminate strong players, protect Mafia. That would be the simplest one.

I don't know what I would do differently as Mafia. I believe I didn't provide enough content to be townread. I didn't roll a scum yet.

Hum.

[clidd]

Her towngame is very basic, I didn't find anything extraordinary that caught my attention other than the fact that she apparently didn't receive any prod in that game (different from here).

[clidd]

She strikes me as rigid scum

Her reads and views aren’t adapting, she still wants to push my elim because..????

I didn't reevaluate my reads that is true, but did you do something to change my mind?

That's a weird interaction.

[clidd]

Ahh I dropped in activity. I think my wagon is a little bit forced by bugspray for some reason.

I am 100% sure that bugspray, April are Town.

Hum.

[clidd]

Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen

I think there is a high chance that all your scum tells are all Town.

Idk what she tried to say here, but if it's related to Amélie's scumpool, it is unusual for her to use the word "chance" and include herself instead of focusing on the other two (Dgb, Grechen). Could be a perspective slip or she just didn't care abour how she was going to say that.

[clidd]

VOTE: bugspray

To steal pagetop

Also:

what are your thoughts on 15

dis scummy

I'm semi-outed, the only person on this list who would know me who doesn't (I think) already know this alt is bugspray. Hi bugspray!

If I need to out for bugspray sanity I will, idc, this isn't a very secretive alt tbh

I think your interactions with bugspray are weird Entrapta. You forgot that you already interacted with bugspray? -> didn't really pay attention to the read -> the read is likely fake
VOTE: Entrapta

Interesting post, but not enough.

[clidd]

Yep, stills a coinflip.

[Amélie]

I'm caught up as of the last two pages. I am willing to vote out Alice today but I think we should wait for a claim. I prefer Gretchen over Alice today actually. Unless Gretchen claimed some pr somewhere, I think she should be the elimination today.

1) She always shows up during convenient times. What I mean by that is times where there are strong opposing counter wagons which are times where people's input and opinions are ten times more important than during any other time of the day.

2) Her scum read on me I absolutely hated. Vfp's scum read on me is being criticized but Gretchen's scum read on me had only repetition and no actual substance.

3) She's never been a plausible wagon despite her extremely scummy behavior.

4) Even if we excuse the RVS useless posts, most of Gretchen's iso is still all of that useless fluff even deep(somewhat) into the game.

No, me thinking Goofball is town does not reverse my scum read on you.

VOTE: Gretchen

I discredit lotus' townread on me because I don't think that is why I am town here. I can see town thinking that maybe but I personally do not agree with the analysis. Lotus is a paranoia scum read for me which means if my current scum reads are wrong, he is probably scum.

[RLotus]

Unless Gretchen claimed some pr somewhere

..

[clidd]

Well, Amélie is scumposting.

[VFP]

Why would someone take the Alice slot just to claim and then be eliminated?
VT - we lim
PR - we lim as Alice isn't a PR.

[clidd]

My guess is that she is coming from a scum mentality trying to emulate a town perspective and how she would express herself about Alice as town, but not necessarily rationalize whether it really makes sense to her to think in such way.

[clidd]

VC 2.05

Dannflor (0)-

Amélie (5)-

DrippingGoofball, Gretchen, bugspray, VFP, dannflor

(E-1)

DrippingGoofball (1)-

RLotus

AliceK (1)-

Solon

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen (1)-

Amélie

VFP (0)-

RLotus (1)-

AliceK

clidd (0)-

bugspray (0)-

Solon (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

geraintm, clidd

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to Eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-03-21 19:00:00)

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Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

This is the closest Amélie got to being eliminated ^

4 town and 1 maybe/maybe not town inside the wagon.

[clidd]

I'm open for a wagon on DGB or Amélie, depending on what they both post in the next 24 hours.

Then I did this post, implying that I could hammer Amélie if she reflected me as scum.

[clidd]

It is quite late here but since Clidd requested my presence, I'm here. Nothing in the game has changed much since I last checked in except that I might drop geraint and I'm worried about RLotus town reading me. Geraint's doesn't seem like he believes in the push he is making on me. He feels like he knows I'm town and is constantly thinking about ways to scum read me in his long and wordy posts that really are just saying things that could be summed up in three sentences. I don't see a reason for scum Lotus to not just hammer me at E-1 but I also don't see why town Lotus would townread me. In my last game with Lotus, they barely had a read on me. I have been getting more and more certain clidd is town because of how he has been actually thinking. When I was scum, I didn't think before I posted whereas as town I spend time thinking about what and why I have certain reads. I reconsider and think more. Clidd's reads have changed naturally and he has taken the time and effort to meta players. I think he is most likely town. If there is a town cop, I strongly encourage they target me tonight because I will become a more and more likely mislim as the game progresses especially given my lack of time currently.

I still strongly believe Gretchen is scum and I think no other wagon is better than that one. I'll post an updated reads list tomorrow morning.

Her reaction was this wall, shading more than one player, although her main position was at Gretchen.

[clidd]

Alternatively, I can be confbiasing after having concluded by meta that she is probably scum and interpreting each event in a way that fits the scum!Amélie theory. Hard to say.

[clidd]

Anyways, Solon/Alice need to be replaced, we're waiting for that, which means a deadline extension, also means more talk, less rush and more stagnation.

[clidd]

As long as we get the right elim in the end, it's fine.