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[Flea The Magician]

What I do suspect, is DGB is smart enough a nerd to pull a complex group fakeclaim together, but this is going into tinfoil territory.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did DGB claim she crumbed her role on D1?

[Flea The Magician]

No mention of crumbing in its ISO.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oops wrong pronoun sorry DGB!

did you do any crumbing?

cuz reading your ISO it does look like you made something up because you are worried you got tracker guiltied

[Gretchen]

Correction, DGB claimed N1 ability to see if someone could kill. That would show a positive on vigilantes, SKs, scum, but not PGO or gunsmith.
Where a Psychologist cant detect if someone has killed, only if they have potential before they kill, a detective can see if someones killed.

Given you claimed first, its possible DGB threw that claim out there to buy credits.

What I hated about your claim is the timing, the feel and the reaction you had around your wagon. It felt panicked which is not a vibe I get from your slot. The vibe I get from your slot is one of calculation and awareness.

Your play has been absolutely horrible, honestly. And you should have been the N1 shot from any scum perspective as you're the big danger. Novice or not. DGB being N1 is spent, and the role gets weaker as the game progresses regardless where yours gets stronger.

You're right, you dont live tonight. That doesnt mean you're free of my PoE though, and DGB gets yeeted today no matter what IMO.

nasty. bottom line do you think i'm town playing badly (in your opinon) or maf?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm confident on you being maf.

[Gretchen]

hmm, nope, i can't tell. always been bad at assessing people pushing me. my first inclination is to townread you for the unpopular push though. although i'd appreciate you being a little less harsh on my play either way lmao.

[Gretchen]

amelie or dgb. amelie or dgb. amelie or dgb.

[Gretchen]

VOTE: amelie

[Flea The Magician]

Why Amelie over DGB?

[Flea The Magician]

Also sorry for sounding harsh, genuinely isnt my intent to be like that and as a play who lives in peoples scumblocs by default I genuinely can;t comment on peoples game capability.

You do have a vibe of knowing exactly what you;re doing though

[clidd]

Flea, I can't read your posts carefully due to the limitations of the mobile atm (small screen), but I need a summarized explanation of why you think Dgb's giving up and selfvote comes from scum instead of town and if you know/already played with Dgb before to know if that kind of attitude would make sense to scum!him.

Most of my games in which a player gave up and appealed to the emotive with a self-vote the flip was town, so for me it's problematic to consider this element as scum indicative.

[clidd]

Regarding Grechen, I intend to reevaluate the slot when I have time. My current read is town, but I haven't revisited her in a while.

[clidd]

sup guys

Oh, hello Mister Pooky.

Such a hemorrhagic surprise, I would say.

[clidd]

Even better if we share the same align, but let's see.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, I can't read your posts carefully due to the limitations of the mobile atm (small screen), but I need a summarized explanation of why you think Dgb's giving up and selfvote comes from scum instead of town and if you know/already played with Dgb before to know if that kind of attitude would make sense to scum!him.

Most of my games in which a player gave up and appealed to the emotive with a self-vote the flip was town, so for me it's problematic to consider this element as scum indicative.

The TLDR is I've done it as softcaught scum and I've seen others do it as mech guilty caught scum.

DGB is more than capable of building a complex group claim for scum, you know that too, you were speccing Bears with Guns iirc?

[clidd]

I was a spectator of many games, don't remember the one you're saying.

If scum!Dgb is capable of fakeclaiming with good planning, however, you have a point, but the AtE still doesn't reflect me as scummy.

[clidd]

If you have any example of scum!Dgb appealing to the emotional, even a little, I will be more inclined to listen to your read on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have seen dgb ate many times as town and get upset and self-vote.

its not the ate that gets me

its the unluckiness that she happened to target the n1 NK that is just so unlucky

wrong place at the wrong time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oops I used the wrong pronoun again sorry DGB!

I am too used to old you :<

[Flea The Magician]

in Bears with Guns DGB sacrificed another of their team (who was a lurker slot) to gain RB Credentials and along with its remaining buddy managed a secure a pretty freaking good win. Iirc it even gave its buddy a viable claim to go with it. I dont see the Psychologist/Detective claims being out of range for it.

Something I've noticed its town AtE tends to be more apathetic and more nuanced, scum AtE is HERES MY EMOTIONS NOW SUFFER. To me, DGBs AtE lacks the nuance of town AtE.

[Flea The Magician]

Pooks given its your slot that returned the guilty, whats your thoughts on the situation?

[clidd]

Alright.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[Flea The Magician]

Something I've noticed

its

is

town AtE tends to be more apathetic and more nuanced, scum AtE is HERES MY EMOTIONS NOW SUFFER. To me, DGBs AtE lacks the nuance of town AtE.

Fixing this now I've noticed before it bites me in the ass. This is a general case and not a specific to DGB one.

[LlamaFluff]

AtE can be dangerous to use unless you feel that you can correctly identify the difference between town who got unlucky, scum who got legit caught and are angry about it, and scum who feels they got unlucky. It also depends when scum notice they have been caught. I won a game a long time ago after realizing a slot I replaced into was doomed and spent most of D1 just setting up everything for buddies to win.

It wouldn't be that hard to get 5 more votes on Biped.

The scum must really like the gamestate if they slayed Biped. I view that slot more like vig bait.

These two still make me thing DGB is town on a gut level, and I dont want to put words in their mouth but if I was what DGB claimed and targeted the player who died N1... I would absolutely say something similar. DGB went from wanting a wagon on Biped and followed that logic through the next day (even if Dann had voted DGB at the time of that post). Dann had said Klick softed something (never saw it)... but I think the logic checks for town-DGB to target Biped with an informational role unless buddies convinced them of going for Biped.

I would probably vote the Dann slot over DGB. Everything feels wrong, almost like Dann was blaming DGB for their lynch before it happens which if Dann thinks DGB is scum makes no sense. If he thinks DGB is scum it tracks more (pun not intended). I also really dont like that Dann assumes Gretchen and Solon are town in his logic.