Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Prism]

Scum sample PM has a PT. Here's the two posts btw, telegraphy was more vague than I thought but the claim about resolution order was very explicit.

I would strongly recommend waiting for him to show up before using anything/directing Spiffeh to use anything on Bork.

I don't see an incentive to out the relative power or any specifics of the scarf at this time.

Alright, after a question to the mod regarding resolution order, and given that one likely exists due to trident mechanic: I am no longer a good target for a hypothetical PT cop. I will not discuss this further.

[notscience]

@Math- IME that silence takes a huge chunk of scum power. I also feel like it seems like town is super weak even with the artifact a day thing, so it's probably a pretty weak scumteam.

I've been thinking about the VCA. Obviously I wasn't here at gamestart, but we do have two people (if im speaking incorrectly math pls correct ty) who are known for doing VCA. Do we think there would have been measures in place to counteract this down the line? iirc titus said somewhere (and I could be wrong but this has been playing in my mind while thinking about this at work) that she cant just lie about vca as scum- she has to follow whats actually there.

Maybe that's not really a cohesive thought but I figured it might be a good springboard for someone else.

[notscience]

I've also been looking at the last two votecounts on Dunn's Cobra Kai wall. Even though it might be a bit counterintuitive given my last post I still think we might as well look down the avenue and see if it makes sense of things.

I was in particular looking at the mastina wagon in both. Obviously this only applies to me bc I'm the only one who *knows* I'm town, but the all town start to the wagon is interesting. I'm assuming Prism is town for reasons I've already said. I also like their play today. So it's 4 green.

Then on the secnd one, we lose Bell but gain Tammy. I'm going to just assume Tammy is town for play+being silenced. That leaves BM as the odd person out, around the point where bus votes are expected. So that would make sense given his play at EOD yesterday. But meh.

I wish Tammy were here.

[Prism]

It is very unclear to me why I am so town to you. It was one thing to be present for the mastina wagon and see me push a scumflip. I'm shocked that Math is the only one calling it into question now that Cakez has flipped, and you shouldn't really have the same bias as a result of your late replace-in+strong Cakez scumread. My position and the dynamic of this game is significantly different than the one I had in 2181.

Giving town a Paragon as a free mechanical clear is not really my style as scum, but shooting uneliminable players, forcing a DGB vote if I know I can get away with it, and silencing those it would hurt most is 100% up my alley. The bit on your replace-in is extremely trivial to fake and the scum incentive to be performative is obvious.

[Prism]

Just remembered the point Titus brought up about Cakez never following through with metaing me; pretty +town for her imo.

[MathBlade]

@Math- IME that silence takes a huge chunk of scum power. I also feel like it seems like town is super weak even with the artifact a day thing, so it's probably a pretty weak scumteam.

I've been thinking about the VCA. Obviously I wasn't here at gamestart, but we do have two people (if im speaking incorrectly math pls correct ty) who are known for doing VCA. Do we think there would have been measures in place to counteract this down the line? iirc titus said somewhere (and I could be wrong but this has been playing in my mind while thinking about this at work) that she cant just lie about vca as scum- she has to follow whats actually there.

Maybe that's not really a cohesive thought but I figured it might be a good springboard for someone else.

I do VCA sure, but Titus and I analyze it differently.
I also think that Titus when town tends to be more transparent with it and I can follow her logic. That’s why her saying Cakez has to be town so bad I have a hard time jiving with her town. Like gutwise she probably is but whatever her alignment town or scum she’s capable of better so I am hoping that if she’s town I inspire her.

I don’t generally have a meta of how or when I do it, I generally do after a trigger of some kind but that’s broad. I don’t have a hard rule like after a scum flip.

If Titus disagrees with likely probabilities I would go for a policy but considering her and she never lies about RL she could just be clouded. Her VCA is something she can’t moonlogic as scum.

To be fair it is something I can moonlogic and sound convincing as scum but I am not scum.

I would say I don’t think the scum team is weak.
Assuming two masons and a one shot bodyguard scum were smart. They didn’t go for the LLD mason claim. They instead went for one or more of Sangres/KTT.

I have a hard time believing that scum would have an almost pure vanilla setup vs what could become a trio of unelimmables if mass claim D1.

There has to be something missing.

[Prism]

I dunno. I have a serious first world problem with being a universal townread literally every single game regardless of alignment, and I'm always annoying about making people justify it. Sometimes it pays off, though.

[MathBlade]

I've also been looking at the last two votecounts on Dunn's Cobra Kai wall. Even though it might be a bit counterintuitive given my last post I still think we might as well look down the avenue and see if it makes sense of things.

I was in particular looking at the mastina wagon in both. Obviously this only applies to me bc I'm the only one who *knows* I'm town, but the all town start to the wagon is interesting. I'm assuming Prism is town for reasons I've already said. I also like their play today. So it's 4 green.

Then on the secnd one, we lose Bell but gain Tammy. I'm going to just assume Tammy is town for play+being silenced. That leaves BM as the odd person out, around the point where bus votes are expected. So that would make sense given his play at EOD yesterday. But meh.

I wish Tammy were here.

Like I said, I think today we end up elimming Battle Mage after the day phase
One of three things happens
A> My D1 gut was right Battle mage was scum and we celebrate and I had good reads.
B> My current gut is right and while elimming BM is the smart move, BM flips town.
C> We do not elim Battle Mage

A means a 1 v a billion so meh worry about that later if every. Just turns into auto pilot among us.
C means need to reevaluate based on who the elim is
B> means one of two things
B1> Either the narrow pool off the top of my head
Of Notty/Bork/Titus contains two scum (remember BM flip town world)
B2> One or more of the lock town/high prob town is scum.

[MathBlade]

I dunno. I have a serious first world problem with being a universal townread literally every single game regardless of alignment, and I'm always annoying about making people justify it. Sometimes it pays off, though.

I wouldn’t say you’re a townread.
It’s more a strategy thing here.
You’re more probably town and you claimed an inno.
If Spiffeh is scum and not traitor you’re fucked. That’s the entire team because 4 in the OP.
So if I assume you’re scum, Spiffeh probably isn’t.

Combine that with likely BM elim today
Bork in theory dies of Poison.

Notty / Titus would be the only ones left in the scum PoE.

So then if Spiffeh can he poisons Notty or Titus tonight and we elim the other.

Then it becomes a smorgasbord of no where for scum to hide.

And even if I am wrong and there is a deep wolf then we can learn it from the play and how people react to the dichotomy.

Titus hated what I put her in when I mistakenly said no to Pooky thinking mason (and if he is a third mason I want brownie points later and please don’t chase that) Whatever her alignment she hated that fork.

This is just a bigger fork.

If both scum aren’t there hopefully we have enough to figure out which townread is wrong.

Me being paranoid is just insurance.

[MathBlade]

@Math- IME that silence takes a huge chunk of scum power. I also feel like it seems like town is super weak even with the artifact a day thing, so it's probably a pretty weak scumteam.

I've been thinking about the VCA. Obviously I wasn't here at gamestart, but we do have two people (if im speaking incorrectly math pls correct ty) who are known for doing VCA. Do we think there would have been measures in place to counteract this down the line? iirc titus said somewhere (and I could be wrong but this has been playing in my mind while thinking about this at work) that she cant just lie about vca as scum- she has to follow whats actually there.

Maybe that's not really a cohesive thought but I figured it might be a good springboard for someone else.

And furthermore we don’t know that the silence was done by scum.

I kinda wanna see who Tammy votes.

I find it odd that scum chose to silence her. This would be either a role or an artifact. Hell maybe even Tammy used an artifact. It’s unknown how or why she was silenced but I think theorizing scum did it without proof, similar to the two night kills one must be a vig is incorrect.

We have seen no further evidence of a vig and no one claimed it.

So this leads me to believe two scum kills or a town artifact not a traditional odd/even/conditional vig

[MathBlade]

This type of play I think was meant to obvTown SirCakez by dialing wagons.

I think Mastina was meant to die and then not have influence to hit Cakez.

Titus pushed Pooky but didn’t expect Pooky and I to push back on Cakez fits.

Like Prism + Titus fits by play I just don’t think it’s the smart answer I think it’s a gut paranoia answer.

Either that or Notty/Bork scum + a town read.

It could be Bork and Titus. But I don’t think Titus pushes that heavy on Cakez defense there.

I do not think BM is scum but I think we have to elim him at some point.

[MathBlade]

I mean if we are right and scum are in the narrow PoE we will win because Spiffeh poison and then elim then just let the bodies hit the floor.
If we are wrong though then we have to look at who is scum in townreads and I am probably dead for moonlogicking.

[notscience]

I wish I had an answer prism.

Tammy asked me a similar question about why I’m not paranoid of her yesterday. And like, all I can really say here is just “gut”. It’s how the game makes sense to me. It is different than 2181 yes. But I also don’t think I ever really strong townread you there?

So like, I guess this is a nonanswer and I’ll try to figure out how to explain it tomorrow better. I think part was you giving Bork the artifact to go along with me not townreading Bork, but that is just me thinking like five steps ahead because that’s never bit me in the ass before

I do sympathize with not liking being the universal townread. I used to love it. Now I feel like it hurts my reads if I’m one of them. It’s an adjustment not trying to just vault myself up to the top of the list but like... i want to eventually win paragon or something. (like idk why I just wanna get good)and I feel like if I focus on obvtowning and not catching scum it’s futile.

@math- regarding Tammy, I think it’s safe to assume it’s a scum action. What motive does town have to silence Tammy? I’m also on the same page of the PoE as you though obviously I have Titus in mind

You also realize Spiffehs poison was an artifact right

[MathBlade]

I wish I had an answer prism.

Tammy asked me a similar question about why I’m not paranoid of her yesterday. And like, all I can really say here is just “gut”. It’s how the game makes sense to me. It is different than 2181 yes. But I also don’t think I ever really strong townread you there?

So like, I guess this is a nonanswer and I’ll try to figure out how to explain it tomorrow better. I think part was you giving Bork the artifact to go along with me not townreading Bork, but that is just me thinking like five steps ahead because that’s never bit me in the ass before

I do sympathize with not liking being the universal townread. I used to love it. Now I feel like it hurts my reads if I’m one of them. It’s an adjustment not trying to just vault myself up to the top of the list but like... i want to eventually win paragon or something. (like idk why I just wanna get good)and I feel like if I focus on obvtowning and not catching scum it’s futile.

@math- regarding Tammy, I think it’s safe to assume it’s a scum action. What motive does town have to silence Tammy? I’m also on the same page of the PoE as you though obviously I have Titus in mind

You also realize Spiffehs poison was an artifact right

Derp I keep forgetting artifacts are one shot.

And yeah if it was a conscious choice probably scum.

However it could be an artifact downside.

We just don’t know. If it’s a town/self trigger artifact that Tammy fired she will explain EOD. Which makes sense if the artifact is the one Prism linked.

I think scum would have gone for a high posting target read like Pooky. He was a driving force on the Cakez wagon.

There’s nothing in Tammy’s ISO that says “shut me up” that I can see.

[penguin_alien]

Morning Vote Count 4.02

Morning 4 will end in (expired on 2021-03-27 23:21:58)

Spiffeh (1): borkjerfkin
PookyTheMagicalBear (5): MathBlade, PookyTheMagicalBear, Dunnstral, Prism, Tammy

Not voting (4): Titus, Spiffeh, notscience, Battle Mage

Mod notes: Battle Mage is V/LA until 3/29
Spiffeh is V/LA until 3/28
Titus is V/LA until 3/29
6/50 pages used

[Titus]

VOTE: Pooky

I am still not sure if this is a smart choice but it seems I am outvoted here.

Also, Spiffeh isn't lock clear, just highly likely clear.

[penguin_alien]

Final Morning Vote Count

Morning 4 will end in (expired on 2021-03-27 23:21:58)

Spiffeh (1): borkjerfkin

PookyTheMagicalBear (5): MathBlade, PookyTheMagicalBear, Dunnstral, Prism, Tammy, Titus

Not voting (3): Spiffeh, notscience, Battle Mage

Mod notes: Battle Mage is V/LA until 3/29
Spiffeh is V/LA until 3/28
Titus is V/LA until 3/29
6/50 pages used

[penguin_alien]

A quick discussion, and the group has chosen someone to fetch the golden stick. Their representative moves toward Trailer, who wags his tail just a bit before allowing the spike to be unearthed. Prepared for the exchange, he brings along a regular stick and, upon retrieving the spike, throws that stick for Trailer to fetch. Bounding off happily, the dog leaves behind a crowd with a much less playful task ahead.

[penguin_alien]

Afternoon Vote Count 4.00

Afternoon 4 will end in (expired on 2021-04-04 13:57:47)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to Bronze

Not voting (10): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Titus, Spiffeh, notscience, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade, Prism, Dunnstral, Battle Mage

Mod notes:
6/50 pages used

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Pooky

I am still not sure if this is a smart choice but it seems I am outvoted here.

Also, Spiffeh isn't lock clear, just highly likely clear.

Spiffeh is lock clear unless Prism flips scum or traitor.

Spiffeh is a kinda “not gonna care”

Traitor as mentioned before is unlikely due to the mafia sample OP.

So there isn’t really a world I consider Spiffeh without a Prism red flip or elo.

Do you think Bork is scum or town?

[Prism]

A quick discussion, and the group has chosen someone to fetch the golden stick. Their representative moves toward Trailer, who wags his tail just a bit before allowing the spike to be unearthed. Prepared for the exchange, he brings along a regular stick and, upon retrieving the spike, throws that stick for Trailer to fetch. Bounding off happily, the dog leaves behind a crowd with a much less playful task ahead.

Can you be clear as to whether this is run of the mill morning vote flavor? (ie. Flavor vs. result of mechanical action).

I'm asking because Comb/Snowglobe votes were unflavored.

[penguin_alien]

Disclaimer: All flavor is for entertainment only. It does not reflect or have bearing on game activity. There may be spoilers for the show within, large and small.

If I have time when I do the transitions, you get flavor. You don't need to read it to know what's happened in the game, nor will it spoil any game activity that isn't public knowledge.

[Prism]

Wait, does that mean this was also just flavor and not anything mechanical? WHAT LMAO

With minimal coaxing, Trailer is convinced to sniff an outstretched hand and hardly notices when his scarf is removed. He is then promptly distracted by a thirteen-lined ground squirrel and gives chase. Would that the non-metallized people could find their attention drawn away from their grisly task so easily...

Spoiler: What the fuck

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

Btw, post morning mod should have an announcement.

[Prism]

I forgot Cabd flavored the comb but WHAT ON EARTH BELL LMAO

[MathBlade]

Over the course of Day 3 and Night 3, Bell targeted Spiffeh.

Prism I think Bell meant this maybe?