Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Prism]

Selfvoting was the established signal that Tammy had info contradicting an artifact claim.

Idk what that is specifically, Bork only claimed N1 used Farnsworth, nothing claimed for N2/N3, but at this point just let him die

Spiffeh voting bork today is throwing away a free miselim for 0 reason. No. Vote someone else, vote bork if he lives, if he doesn't free elim.

[Prism]

Tomorrow is tryhard day for me now that I'm home, will be a long one but I'll push through. I'd rather not yeet anyone before that.

[Dunnstral]

And if you have information on Bork having an artifact that we should eliminate before the night phase, switch your vote to me

This, otherwise it makes the most sense to see if he dies over the night

[Prism]

I would also be curious for the case on me, but MathBlade thinking there is ever a world in which they get nightkilled right now is classic.

[MathBlade]

Admittedly I'm getting tired...Excuse typos...

Prism's ISO day one is just bad...I got through a rough thing of day one and I think it's pretty damning. If people actually interact and read with it I will continue tomorrow. Words are starting to blend together.

The Case for Prism Scum (Assuming Bork scum)

If Bork is not scum this shouldn't even be used for kindling

1. Ways Prism is scum
   
   
   
2. By read/play in thread (some posts are omitted that I feel don't prove the case as well/and or are just empty.
   1. In post 297, Prism says one scum in Prism or Bork is scum. Prism says it's ugly. So far it seems to be proven right.
      
   2. In post 400 rage claims but still hasn't had a scumread they're willing to push over the finish line. They shade me but do not want to see it through because they know if I flip town that's a bad fos on you + Bork.
      
   3. In post 632 They say they're having a bit of harder time with their scumreads this game. Instead they want to see more from slots this game. It reads very much like a "Where the fuck are my teammates?"
      
   4. Prism is shading Titus in 942 but still doesn't have a vote anywhere.
      
   5. There is one slot that is familiar with Prism's play, sangres. 943 per Prism. Who died? Sangres.
      
   6. Also in that post there's a linking of me with mastina. My argument was more than "flavor" as to why Prism was scum (see mechanical play section) and shading it like this is reductionist.
      
   7. Post 999 has a read wall. Compared to 621 bork becomes "pretty town". Let's look at what Bork has done during those posts. I will omit some posts for brevity.
      1. Bork says unless Prism and Bork are scum together then flavor is not congruent.
         What reason do we have that flavor is incongruent? We have lots of reasons that it is congruent. The empaths are the masons. Makes sense. My flavor claim as VT makes sense. Bodyguard was BP. In what world is HG Wells a VT? One of the most brilliant inventors on the show. (see more in mechanical section)
         
         
      2. 687You don't have to worry about me this game. Asking an unverifiable softball question to Sangres.
         
      3. 694 Says he doesn't like how I want Titus and Cakez. (Scumbeard + scum or scum + scum) and maybe one of LLD + Prism. (As established I believed the LLD mason claim I was trying to shade her badly to give her an extra day to work her magic. This was a way to be able to say Prism without starting anger part 20)
         
      4. 801 shades Spiffeh no vote.
         
      5. 809 mentions Dunn a second time and lack of read.
         
      6. 819 shades Grey ICE.
         
      7. 863 Spiffeh vote is really town.
         
      8. 870 pokes Dunn about scumread of me. Asks why I can't be town despite ISO being not liking my posts. A natural progression scumreads me.
         
      9. 888 pushes back on GreyICE town read and then says it's not his experience with town greyice still no vote.
         
      10. NO ACTIVE PUSHES and PRISM PUTS BORK AS A TOWN READ FROM SCUM
   8. 1020 Prism is literally confused by the fact I'm townbinning them for a bit because it would need to be demonstrated Bork was scum first. If Bork was ever confirmed I'd pretty much be back to Prism in a heartbeat because it just makes sense.
      
   9. 1342 Unvotes Titus and hasn't had a serious push all day. Wants to revisit Cakez tomorrow. ** THIS POST IS IMPORTANT IN THE VCA section.
      
      
   10. 1451 Feeling out pooky to see how strong his scumread is.
       
       
   11. 1540 First post interacting with mastina and it's more of a "chiding" You can't fake a townread on me. It's at this point, I think scum decided to save Mastina to save Cakez. Cakez wagon had already started up and mastina needed to die instead of Cakez and time was of the essence. So Prism and mastina needed to fake animosity fast since Prism had no record besides the readwalls of where they stood on the slot.
       
       
   12. 1702 Immediately tries to start pairing me with Mastina. Despite Mastina not having flipped yet and they have done no actual hunting of the slot, only shading.
       
       
   13. 1705 More shade of my slot but then says they vote Mastina without elaborating WHY?
       
       
   14. 1717 Another post to revisit Cakez and then never does.
3. 1721 defends Cakez using bad meta.
   
4. 1722 Should reread Titus to check cakez while still owing a Cakez reread for how long now?
   
5. Fuck the underlining 1727 Doesn't elaborate on Mastina scumread like I asked.
   
6. 1733 Another excuse to not read Cakez
   
7. 1741 finally some semblance of a reason why Mastina....a thousand posts later.
   
8. 1884 Cakez is now "disgusting" with no precedent.
   
9. 2067 Seems like wrong thread.
   
10. 2109 Random question to Cakez they never follow up on.
    
    
11. By VCA
    1. Takes a long time to make a vote. In the Iceland game it took to 739. With 9 players. This game has 17 or around twice as much. Post 1202 contains the first vote of the game with any levity behind it. It seems to possibly be a scum tell to wait and see where Prism can place a vote versus being aggressive with it. They see if they can get away with certain pushes. There doesn't become an issue until my wagon is dissolving. Then Prism votes Titus. Prism backs off Titus then joins the Mastina wagon when SirCakez/Mastina wagons were dualing. See 1755 for the VC. Titus wagon was dying down. This is a wolfy hop on to the goon.
       
       
    2. 1471

       Another readwall KTT is entirely reversed from bottom of scumreads to safely town. With almost no interaction except for someone to pick up their boomer. GreyICE is missing. Cakez is still "pretty town" despite wanting to revisit Cakez tomorrow in 1342. Hasn't pushed any scumreads despite largely being the same.
12. 1851 Mastina is #1 choice and won't swap off except to avoid a no elim. Once Cakez v Mastina was pretty well known.
    
13. 1884 Cakez is now "disgusting" with no precedent.
    
14. By Mechanical Play
    
15. My ISO pretty much has this...Like I'm just tired at this point.

[Dunnstral]

It seems you've put a lot of effort into the above post, but have you considered that Battle Mage claimed a miller and then claimed their role mentioned gunsmiths when that is not what the miller role does? They didn't claim a special type of miller, they just claimed "Miller". And then they doubled down and said it's in the role pm.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller

Notice that the wiki mentions that a gunsmith would see them as having no gun.

To give benefit of the doubt to Battle Mage is to assume that the mods added on the bit about gunsmiths to the miller role without changing the name. I

think

this is stylistically something they wouldn't do, and it also brings up the question of why specifically gunsmith when that role does not appear to be in this game at all - it's afternoon 4 and we also had a mason pair and an investigative on an artifact, I believe that's a safe assumption. There's also been no standard cops.

[MathBlade]

I think A> This is a theme game Miller can be defined however
B> His flavor makes sense for a Miller
C> Some players are not claimed. Therefore they could be a cop or cop artifacts
D> A Miller doesn’t require a cop. See Boonskiies. There wasn’t a town cop but there was a Miller. There was a 3P invest but the Miller more fucked with all the loyal/disloyal powers
E> I said we’re probably elimming Battle Mage but I think he’s town.

This is more for later when it’s like “omg Battle Mage flipped town” what?

And if he flips scum and Bork is scum gg we win paranoia is healthy.

[notscience]

If Prism is scum with bork why would prism claim to give the artifact to bork? Like do you think that whole early D1 interaction even happens as s/s?

[Dunnstral]

B> His flavor makes sense for a Miller

Does he carry around a gun?

[MathBlade]

B> His flavor makes sense for a Miller

Does he carry around a gun?

There have been a few episodes where he has a gun yes.

Not science I address that in my early game ISO.
If you want something more lengthy tomorrow or Wednesday please or just see if BM is town and can address it tomorrow if still alive.

[MathBlade]

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Warehouse_13

Source: one episode is implosion.

The gist of why he makes a good Miller flavor wise is Artie accidentally selling artifacts to the Russians and gets so overwhelmed with guilt and turns himself in. Mrs Frederic offers repetentance and Artie gets recruited into the warehouse helping to fix all the damage he caused.

[MathBlade]

Like the words on the wiki make him sound bad but Artie is very much a heart of gold type. His back story is kinda sad. He was kinda a bit clueless.

[Prism]

Pretty happy with the MathBlade post, will probably respond to it at some point but I'm satisfied with the depth+coherency of it.

In many ways this game is ironic in the sense that with mastina flip, my play was 100% scum by meta but the narrative/actual reason why that would be the case no one would understand. The Cakez flip reversed it and suddenly the narrative is super easy but the meta is clearing.

Also concur on BM btw but that one's waiting until tomorrow.

[Prism]

Also the bit about lack of interaction when I reverse course on KTT is hilarious though, go back and trace that sequence over when you're awake. Super obviously town in an instant and LLD instantly realized what I did and why, scum motivation would be backing down after KTT rose from occasion, absolutely not a random flip or lacking in interactions lmao

[MathBlade]

Why do you think
Mastina/Cakez/Bork shoot Sangres over a claimed mason?

[Prism]

Because it's a closed theme with almost certainly at least one protective lmao, LLD died when she claimed to have used one and we had just voted out the bulletproof bodyguard.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the reason i didnt believe bm about his gunsmith thing is because my character is like literally holding a gun in "his/her" picture and i dont have anything in my role pm that implies i would be guiltied by a gunsmith lol

[MathBlade]

the reason i didnt believe bm about his gunsmith thing is because my character is like literally holding a gun in "his/her" picture and i dont have anything in my role pm that implies i would be guiltied by a gunsmith lol

Artie has pictures with guns I linked them.
Maybe BM didn’t want to give flavor?

Is it possible he’s scum? Sure. I think it’s a policy elim versus a scum one.
If he happens to be scum and we win Yay!

[Prism]

Like I can respond to that wall more in-depth tomorrow when I'm not in bed on my phone, if you wanted a more timely answer to that specifically sure w/e, but sangres is not a slot I am even remotely afraid of as scum and all 3 slots that are dead hard townread me. That's not a towntell because I shoot people who scumread me like clockwork, but I'm definitely not shooting people I am scared of.

The reason I am town, fundamentally, is that I am an obsessive control freak as scum and do not cede control of the game to the town on Day 3 and just hope the game doesn't mechanically solve. Any chance of losing is unacceptable to me as scum,

at all

[MathBlade]

Cant cede what you never had though.

[Prism]

There's plenty of issues to be raised with taking my word for my meta, but unfortunately I don't think that one liner is as clever as you think it is in that it reinforces the point

I'll try and sleep but the wall, while commendable in effort, is...quite terrible in reasoning, ex. the very first point about "one of prism/bork" was that Prism town did not imply Bork scum in the context of the discussion around the artifact. This was, and always will be, absurd and there's a reason sangres agreed. Other highlights include LLD being the one rageclaiming while I just said sure, voting in the 400s in Iceland, quoted 942 on Titus was 100% a serious push with depth, not simple shade, later acts like I have no serious pushes, previously mentioned issue w/ KTT narrative, not even close to first interaction w/ mastina, my defense of Cakez is indeed terrible but horrid interpretations abound...

[MathBlade]

Ugh the Iceland I give you I was wrong on that I missed it in the skim. But yeah the lack of voting is still an issue

[MathBlade]

Also you quoted Mastina’s posts sure but no interaction is pretty obvious.
And no Titus wasn’t a serious push.
A push cannot be serious without a push or significant interaction with passion/emotion.

[Prism]

Sorry but as much as the prospect of block quoting thrills me I'm going to sleep so I can get my vaccine in 4 hours.

[Prism]

Also, you can do the research on the late vote theory since it seems to be of interest, or I can go ahead and tell you straight out you have the meta flipped and I am extremely hesitant to vote outside RVS as town, but seeing is believing