Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Hey Pooky,

Assume BM is scum and Bork is guiltied. Why haven’t scum said “You’re right gg?”

It’s a really odd scenario here if BM is scum.

There’s no “avoiding the shut out” they got a miselim on DGB.

BM is old-school

concession is not part of our vocabulary

Ha you tease. I literally conceded a game, as scum with Pooky, a couple weeks ago.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh you were mech-guiltied as the last scum left lol that's different lololol

[penguin_alien]

Afternoon Vote Count 4.02

Afternoon 4 will end in (expired on 2021-04-04 13:57:47)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to Bronze

borkjerfkin (2): Tammy, MathBlade
Battle Mage (2): Titus, Dunnstral

Not voting (6): borkjerfkin, Spiffeh, notscience, PookyTheMagicalBear, Prism, Battle Mage

Mod notes:
13/50 pages used

[Battle Mage]

oh you were mech-guiltied as the last scum left lol that's different lololol

yeah but you also know from discord i was in favour of conceding on Night 1.

[MathBlade]

oh you were mech-guiltied as the last scum left lol that's different lololol

How would this be different here Pooky?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Spiffeh

Final Afternoon 2 Vote Count

Afternoon 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-14 12:31:37)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to Bronze

Titus (3): GreyICE, Battle Mage, MathBlade
borkjerfkin (1): Spiffeh

DrippingGoofbal

l (8--BRONZED): Titus, Dunnstral, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear,

SirCakez

,

DrippingGoofball, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting (2): Tammy, borkjerfkin

Minimum 1 scum within: Titus, Dunnstral, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear

Afternoon Vote Count 1.20

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2):

quiet,

Spiffeh
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral,

Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta

, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (7): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin,

Bell

Mathblade (1):

Sangres

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 83/85 pages used (switching to post count here: 2078/2125 posts)

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Mathblade joining SirCakez late here looks good (given there was a legitimate choice and Cakez would've been the better elim for town). Although, counter-point, earlier that same day Mathblade abandoned a larger Titus wagon, in the face of wagons on 2 scum, and tried to run up Dunnstral briefly before giving up.

townpoints for mathblade and Pooky for being early pushers of SirCakez yesterday.

Not a great look for Spiffeh though. Either Spiffeh is scum, or the whole scumteam was running the who-do-i-bus gauntlet. Spiffeh was also pretty ambivalent between SirCakez and Mastina there, and committed to hammer whichever got to -1. A good tactic to guarantee being on the inevitable scum elim and avoid being run up next as a failed counter-wagoner to scum.

And let's say at least 1 more scum on Mastina here, meaning minimum 1 scum within:

GreyICE, Prism, Tammy, borkjerfkin

[Prism]

Spiffeh is mechanically clear. The scarf was a PT cop, Spiffeh is in no PTs.

[Battle Mage]

confirmed by who sorry? Mod confirmed, or player vouched?

[Prism]

The scarf implies it was me.

Ie. Spiffeh can only be scum with exactly me.

[Battle Mage]

if Spiffeh is town, I feel more strongly about 1-2 scum in the mastina voters on Day 1, with the later ones being more likely. So Tammy and Bork.

GreyICE, Prism, Tammy, borkjerfkin

[Prism]

Do you think Tammy counterclaims her own partner Day 1?

[Battle Mage]

The scarf implies it was me.

Ie. Spiffeh can only be scum with exactly me.

excellent, this is an example of where claims can add some value.

Would you be offended if I said I'd consider (not that I have any sway to actually action it) elimming you to clear Spiffeh? given you are the only player on both the dodgy vote lists so far.

[Battle Mage]

Do you think Tammy counterclaims her own partner Day 1?

did that happen? i'll take a look!

[Prism]

It depends on how well you back it, but there's just no point: Spiffeh will be nightkilled either way, and you can revisit the question D5 if not.

I'm really disinterested in mafia at the moment and kind of just want out. I'll be around to tryhard after work but I'm just...not interested playing mafia lately and want to do other things. I'll try and finish strong but it is hard.

[Prism]

Like I've treated the last ~50 pages like it's my job to give stylistic, argumentative, and meta feedback rather than a puzzle to be solved, and it's so pointless and self-important as to be borderline trolling.

[Battle Mage]

Eh...I don't even remember this at all, but this is the 'counter-claim':

To answer the question of would Tammy-scum counterclaim a partner on Day 1, it depends on the situation. In this case, the situation is that a scum-elim was pretty much guaranteed, and the remaining scum had to try and back the right horse. It feels like quite a clever move for Tammy-scum, to try and orchestrate a Cakez-elim and get some extra towncred for the claim (which despite being a PR, is not a strong enough one to require justification of long-term survival through night phases). It makes more sense if the final partner is already on Cakez-wagon at that point though. Only problem with the fakeclaim theory, is it could be confirmable. Has Tammy been able to claim any results which have been independently verified?

The reality of the counter-claim here is slightly different...it's a bit...hesitant and gung-ho at the same time, and doesn't really fit with the narrative of a clever scumploy to control which elim goes through. But I struggle to believe that somebody genuinely unsure about counter-claiming, opens with "I think I have a problem with that claim", which is tantamount to a counter-claim anyway, and then continues to toil over it. Cognitive dissonance or something.

On the context, I need to go back and read the state of play in the lead up. Overall I think it leaves me in a similar place with Tammy as before - could be scum, but not a lock.

Hmmm

I think I have a problem with that claim.

Lemme think

AHHHHH

I'm in a bit of outguessing the mod mode right now, and I don't know if I should believe that that role is a town role.

Probably won't get an extension, but take care of you. Game is not important.

I'm not even sure it is a CC; it doesn't feel like we could both be town, but I could be wrong about that.

Oh fuck it, I have it when people dance around shit and we've got enough claims out there.

I'm Mrs. Frederics, an x-shot artifact usage detector.

I've softed this a few places, and this was why my early game focus was on artifacts and rooting out liars.

A part of me thinks we don't work together on the same side, but maybe we do. This claim was probably dumb, but I figure I fit right in now.

[Battle Mage]

Tammy claiming a guilty on Bork is interesting. so it could be Tammy/Bork + GreyIce/Prism. not sure that combo ever wins here anyway.

[Battle Mage]

reading mastina ISO makes me feel much better about Prism though. 2nd scumread but the one mastina really wanted to push.

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)

PookyTheMagicalBear

sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)

Tammy

Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage

borkjerfkin
GreyICE

quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism

SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

Lady Lambdadelta*
Titus
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
GreyICE*

Spiffeh



Battle Mage


MathBlade

quiet

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, townread, nullread-situationally-poe-scumread, scumread-with-a-conditional-locktown-condition scumread lockscum.

progression is interesting. Mathblade a possibility? or would Mastina want to protect scumbuddies? Note that Bork and Dunnstral were deliberately moved up to townreads for fairly weak reasons after the initial list - don't think mastina-scum is worried about white-knighting either of them, so potentially just getting them out of the firing line? Probably only 1 though.

So Bork or Dunnstral maybe scum.

[Prism]

Alright, coffee and bite the bullet. Someone else come around because I don't want to work at this alone, Pooky/Spiffeh in particular.

[Prism]

Fuck it, no ISOs, we going all the way and just starting from complete scratch. I dunno how I'm going to do this but I imagine I'll post some tidbits for you, where you is basically everyone but BM/MB, to shake off bystander effect and engage with.

[Prism]

I'm basically assuming bork is scum AFK, if he's town completely phoning it in because he's upset he got poisoned I am going to be very, very upset.

Things like this look pretty good for MathBlade imo:

Random question for you Bork well two:

1) Is the character presented with the item a lady or a man or nonbinary?
2) What’s the negative consequence of the item?

1) I struggle to see how this is relevant to the game at large
2) contextually either minorly inconvenient or innocuous

Those aren’t direct answers.
There are lots of characters on the show. Surely a gender won’t give it away. I had a reason when I thought it was a soft but if you guess the wrong gender or something like that then the jig is up without exposing Prism in case they’re town.
And outing the negative consequences should be easy enough to do. Why won’t you?

[Prism]

(I straight up don't get the Tammy guilty given she's a usage detector. bork claimed usage N1+hasn't claimed N2/N3, but N3 trident usage makes sense so the possibility for guilty result is really only seeing bork not use an artifact N1. Usage number of 3 would be a great indicator but not hard guilty)

[MathBlade]

Remind me what did Bork claim he used?

[Spiffeh]

Anything specific you'd like my input on Prism?

[MathBlade]

bork, sorry but I actually need to know if you targeted anyone with the same thing (power, artifact, whatever) you did sangres N1.

artifact; i used the Farnsworth (sends messages); i started w/ this and crumbed it in my first post.

Hmmmm found it sends a message...

Never said what.