Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yeessss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<3 Andante

[Cabd]

Irish dancer replaces Hand of Glory. Setting deadline extended for an additional few hours, as I won't be around Saturday evening to process otherwise at deadline. New deadline will be present in votecounts going forward:

(expired on 2021-04-04 10:14:14)

[Andante]

Hi Irish dancer! I was leaning towards a tr for your slot, so good luck catching up!

[GrandpaMo]

ANyone have a fast tldr of the game?

ima try:

so basically first early game interaction...andante comes out with a saying that gets the game moving; "jackson/fizz enterances are weird. seems something mafia is more inclined to say" something along those lines. fizz gets defensive bout ppl voting early game. claims doesn't know how it worked and moves on later on. i think 2-3 ppl tried to tell her it wasnt scummy to early vote and how it moved the game anways pooky alligns me with jv. skitter and pooky give towncred on andante for the enterence read and their further impression. skitter also gives me townpings. andante is questioning due to the nature of his perception that me and fizz are leaning scum in his eyes. HoG comes in and gives views about the skitter/fizz interactions in post 87 also pressuring pooky. skitter thinks now im scum (reason why in post 92) andante now votes me along wit skitter as well. ahri comes in with pooky and skitter talking bout the theme of this setup. ahri gives pings starting in post 119. HoG comes in 147 i come in after asking how many mafia there is as well as elaborate with HoG's reads (please go to post for specifics). HoG is collectivtly townread i believe specifically by skitter and ahri . JV comes in replying to some earlier quotes made and scums me as well. This starts the feud interaction between me and JV starting in post 162! (tldr of that interaction; we gon about how there is mindsets and hwo im being manipulative and i disagree and i think that he is, read more for specifics) .

skitter says jv is town out of that interaction. fizz now finally gets why the voting thing is good as well as his reads in post 199. HoG gives his reads on it as well on 201. ahri in 203 (agree wit skitter). i further reply to jv and leave it there and ask everyone else for their reads. in post 221 andante is trying to process hogs "analytical" posts but cant; builds scumcase on ahri. GB finally comes in 223 apologizing and then leaving again. jv then replies to my earlier further replies to his earlier ones. jv starts townreading skitter. the ahri and andante interaction plays out in mostly all of page 10 and beginning of page 11. i tr andante. HoG comes in at 241 with TLDR of "My current reads are Fizz as town; 0-1 scum between skitter/pooky; you've been anti-town; rest unclear."

skitter starts a andante scumcase. (mainly starting on post 278). me and skitter have a small interaction starting post 266. pooky still thinks its me and jv. skitter brings the point of how andante says that me and jv were scum (saying maybe one scum inside) but wants to vote ahri instead. skitter thinks its me and andante. pooky is unsure. HoG agrees with skitter and votes andante. i call HoG out *starting post 300) however I unvote HoG (was voting them at the time as a reaction). HoG calls me out and votes me. i explain my part and HoG thinks i had a good rxn now. Andante starts getting annoyed how ahri is getting no attraction. GB comes in 303 saying Ahri is town. fizz comes out of nowhere questioning why ppl think she scum in post 306. its now andante vs ahri + skitter . ahri and skitter both have the claim of what i said earlier on why they thought andnate was scum at first. HoG townreads me and fizz. skitter point out andante could be alligned with pooky. i call out HoG for his analytical post diminish. GB comes in 356 with a bad quote saying they will catch up on reads and apologizes for lurking. andante and sktiter keep going at it starting post 360. HoG comes out of no where and says some weird stuff that looks like it makes sense but it doesnt; townreading ahri more than andatne i am assuming. post 377 HoG keeps referencing something other than the game; everyone gets confused. me and skitter end up having a friendly convo. skitter now trs me . andante thinks my read that "hog and andante is most likely same allignment" is tmi. andanate is still confused on skitter's read. ahri votes andante in 409. HoG self votes in 411. JV comes in 412 with their contribtution (go to post for specifics). me and jv unironically agree that pooker had a bad rxn and interaction wit skitter earlier on around post 320. i come up with the theory that if andante flips scum it was most likely a bus. skitter tries to get other opinions on their interaction and andante's quotes. pooky still thinks im scum. andante gets more annoyed that ahri isnt being pushed due to lack of contribution. i state i dont sus andante. andante, fizz, and me push for GB to talk. fizz notices my chnage of playstyle kek. andante explains further in page 19 of his scumread. pooky sheeps sktitter then votes andante. i give my reads in post 480. i think everyone collectivly townreads fizz up to post 485 with andantes reads on fizz townreading her as well. andante gives read on HoG in post 484. andante gives read on JV in post 487; scumreads JV backs away from the ahri push. 498, U join! welcome!!

okay so it isn't the best, but its at last something. i deserve some credit, this took me 45 mins to an hour just looking back at logs and etc. i hope you found this helpful.

irish use my tldr as a guide if u want also if u want more details on the jv and me interaction i responded to it responded wit a whole damn ass wallpost. im still giving it more attention and still giving my full analyis its not yet btw

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

Okay hey there!

This will be a long post. This will include interactions from Andante, Pooky, Skitter, Wheme, and of course JV. JV wanted something of that sort, and I will bring the analysis onto you JV; you are the main focus hence why you are the only one in this ISO wall post.

1. Analysis Through Wallposts

Responses will be in

whatever random color I chose.

Note: I did write some early info on my notebook regarding JV while looking at a depth ISO analysis so if you do see more of post numbers than that is why. It is very hard to really respond to everything, but I pointed out some noticeable and notable things that were worthy of replying to.

VOTE: Grandpa Mo

i still like fizz, not sure scum fakes this or has this take

i was thinking of switching my vote to grandpa tbh

pedit yeah i'll do that too VOTE: grandpa

I'm swinging this way as well at this point

Sup batch files, I have returned back to newbie games.

pepega SE

Mood

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thank you!!

Sure! I'll send it to you, just need your account username and password

s of now, Jackson keeps finding a way to coast which is kinda lame because I really want to hear from them so I can perceptualize an actual read on them

You can't actually have this pop into your head, after I've literally explained I was going to work and that I was going to sleep FOR work the night earlier. Your entire perspective is broken

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Okay so I believe this is where it first began and everything that led to our early game interaction. Our first quote on quote misunderstanding. And this stems from you misunderstanding what I said. Later on, I do admit to something I may have misunderstood causing me to read something wrong. Anyways, you took my reaction through you working seriously and thought that I had a scum mindset in which I wouldn't really be focused on you and just let you go by. You misunderstood me because that wasn't really what I was saying and later on I was trying to get you to understand that wasn't anything that should be considered scummy or reactive or anything. You thought my perspective was just you coasting in scum terms, in which I disagree. My perspective during that time was that "hey you said you are working = expecting some coastiness > expect some reads later on. That was how my mindset during that initial read. You

misunderstood

what I said and took it in another account. Also something with the pivoting quotes earlier mentioned above. That is where I was thinking "hmmm do mafia usually do this in forum mafia... sheep just so openly" I never really had the chance to look at other games or really look into the framework as this game. This will be a precedent game and I hope we do win as town so I can start my winning streak. FYI You do NOT have to agree with me. But as my analysis shows, that is what it assumes/implies.

Sad thing is that I never scumread you because you were coasting lmao. I said you kept having excuses (which were genuine) and you had to coast intentional or not intentional. I feel like this is a mafia BW. I am waiting for other takes from other people, to really look at more pairings and interactions with you because you did actually come out with info now.

Did I say that you were scum-reading me for me coasting? No, I didn't. I am saying your perspective is not one that aligns with what I would consider a town mindset.

This is the second misunderstanding of the interaction. And I will come out and admit that it was my misunderstanding on how I misunderstood what your initial post was saying. I thought you were implying a scum read on me because I was already biased that you were overreactive and had a sense of a scum mentality where you would get so offended like that. And so I just correlated the two together and got that perspective.

Sad thing is that I never scumread you because you were coasting lmao. I said you kept having excuses (which were genuine) and you had to coast intentional or not intentional. I feel like this is a mafia BW. I am waiting for other takes from other people, to really look at more pairings and interactions with you because you did actually come out with info now.

Did I say that you were scum-reading me for me coasting? No, I didn't. I am saying your perspective is not one that aligns with what I would consider a town mindset.

Also the typical scum-tell of the 'lmao' has emerged.

In this quote, I thought that you were trying to find the easiest of tells or ways to actually push me hence why I said you were over reacting in post 176. This is where honestly I further exemplified my scum case on you coming out and saying it was sarcastic maybe made it seem like you were tryna cover your tracks, however this could have even just been further bias on me.

Another thing... No one answered my question which I geninuly am curious to know as it will make much more sense on pairings and stuff.

How many mafia are usually in a 9 player setup?

Check the OP, the game setup is there. It's a 2v7 game (2 mafia, 7 town). A random spot on the bottom three columns are selected, those are the Town PR roles (all other roles are going to be Vanilla Townies) and the Mafia will have the roles at the top of that specific column.

If I butchered this explanation let me know

Oh well that changes my perspective on something.

Okay cool. And?

Something I should include as I never got to answer it. It was a moment of realization where I actually had to change my perspective on how I thought pooky and skitter back then were being paired with third possible back mafia. Now I realized making the reads I did back then, I realized that only 2 mafia was available hence why I came up with pooky/skitter - jv/fizz.

Sad thing is that I never scumread you because you were coasting lmao. I said you kept having excuses (which were genuine) and you had to coast intentional or not intentional. I feel like this is a mafia BW. I am waiting for other takes from other people, to really look at more pairings and interactions with you because you did actually come out with info now.

Did I say that you were scum-reading me for me coasting? No, I didn't. I am saying your perspective is not one that aligns with what I would consider a town mindset.

Also the typical scum-tell of the 'lmao' has emerged.

Now I just feel like you are over reaching. I always say lmao,

lmao

It was a semi-joke but the scum-tell is a serious one, and has been documented somewhere on the wiki iirc.

You also said you have blatantly said your scumread on me. Can you please again if you did because you did not and referred me to saying "I have said it multiple times". I expect a reply very soon not something for you to look back and make some random shit as of now.

This is actually manipulative.

And I've said many times that your perspective/mindset is not one I would or ever have considered a townie mindset and this also doubles down as one of my own person strongest scum-tells to look out for. You blatantly sheep another's reads by saying you agree to it, without actually adding any content for yourself, and then you cherry-pick the information to shade me knowing all too well that you knew exactly why I was not active. What you've said to me just now proves that. You aren't town, and I am almost certain

This was just more me of aggressively seeing you as a way to tunnel me and reiterating your reads. I have genuinely asked you at that time for your reads because remember I misunderstood the whole scum case on me. I thought you were basing your scumreads being over defensive of being coasting. I now know why and it is not because of what but the why behind the whole equation. I understand now that you have scumread me because I would have that perception to say that specific quote I said earlier. Even though I disagree with the read, it gave me more result at it. Remember, this is just reiterating information I have already said and saying it again to really clarify to you what I meant.

You have NOT explained my mindset and perspective on how what I did is actual scum. I do agree that I did sheep some of the reads and that is because I actually townread three people in the beginning two of which scumread me. If you look back... you can see I pointed out the possible "1 mafia out of this pair" type situation. I will be voting you for the time being.

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Oh yesseree I did explain why your mindset is wack, in fact I did so in the exact post you're quoting.

Town Mindset: Solving, trying to actively find scum and/or town.
Scum Mindset: Manipulative, trying to survive, trying to make cases on Town.
You: Cherry-pick information, purposefully ignore information (which you know). Sheep then shade a LHF (at the time).

Which section do you honestly believe that fits. Also what the hell does that pair thing has to do with anything.

I thought my mindset was completely normal obviously due to the own self conscious bias but also just using your logic there. I became more infuriated with your own logic as I thought it contradicted. You were here tunneling me and not even actively trying to find scum and etc. I always thought this would have gotten faster but now I am used to playing this style so that's been better. I never knew any of the ignored info by the way. Only time I have cherry picked info is when I have found certain things of what you said was scummy. I thought you were really being hypocritical because you got mad over me calling you coasty now (having that same mindset as before thinking you scumread me because of that and not the mindset). The pair thing has to do what I decipher in my head as town. Obviously you know that we don't share a brain. We both are going to have some different and similar results at times using whatever techniques to get there whether you be scum or town.

I WILL RIGHT NOW LOL! I literally told you many times that you have brought up ways especially general terms in which ANYONE can and quickly pivot that onto me because you already seen TWO people have that synopsis. You also are over reaching on a quote that never was meant to attack you or anything. You were overdefensive and only mafia gets overdefensive on something like that. You get overdefensive because you have nothing else to attack me on that besides that. You are exposed.

You say you're rushing and cannot answer me, which in extension accepts that I did explain the mindset thing yet here you're denying it.

Also Town can't get defensive when they get attacked for literally having the inability to post? Just stop

That second quote right here further signified the scumread I originally had on you. I was very very null scum leaning to you. Because at times you would say it was the perception and how a mafia would think and now you give me this question and now I am conflicted with my own thoughts. "Does this question imply that they were scumreading me based on coasting?" Anyways back to the first part, as you can see I got angry because I really thought you know we were just going at it and it was getting us no where... I was doing everything you were doing and you kept looking me as scum. I started getting more on the agressive side here and try to pin point out the things you have done that in my experience I have scum seen.

This is my first forum game lmao. I have played mafia in other communities though as I said previously. This proves that you are taking what I say out of context.

I am just asking as I originally thought you may be an alt, you're the one reaching now.

Back to the mindset thing. I never have lied anything about you, didn't even scum read you nor really focus on you. Just like how I questioned GeorgeBailey's presence, I questioned yours as Andante has said something about your entrance. I followed up with "yea I can see how that can be weird" then proceed to say that I want to hear from you (which I expected for you to do once you get back from whatever doing).

No, my main point was that you were purposefully omitting information to make me look as bad as possible, of which you've confirmed yourself with your wording. Unless you act deceptive as town, you're simply not. Simple as that. Also you lied by saying I keep making excuses, when I made one which, again, you decide to omit the fact I was at work and decide to shade me.

Coasting never aligns with me being manipulative. Not in any way I have tried to be manipulative. I was just game solving from a town mindset and actively searching for different reads because at that time, I did NOT have a distinct scum read and wanted to hear from you and your reaction to Andante and me hence, why I said the thing I said.

You're using my own words as a reverse-attack here, it does not matter if you said you had a SR on me or not, you WERE shading me by omitting stuff how hard is this to understand.

You are also hypocritical to the fact that you as well never answered my question in post 187.

Don't remember this, I'll check back.

Because were you or were you not?? Did you or did you not leave? Yes you did. Hence I said what I said.

This question? Are you serious? You're taking low blows in hopes to up your defence when it's not. To answer the seeming rhetorical question; I did leave, I was at work like I said. Does that mean you can scummily shade me and manipulate the given state and get away with it? Definitely not.

And by manipulate the state, like I've said a thousand times at this point. You specifically choose to omit that fact I was at work, and say I was coasting. You also blatantly exaggerate it to make it seem like I am constantly trying to not post, when it was page 6. Adding to the fact that you were sapping off the fact I was a LHF at the time in hopes to make me look bad.

where you have gotten overdefensive on something such as me calling you out as coasting.

As I said, I am not happy that you just put me in a bad light and I am not accepting the fact that a Town would do that willingly, which again I have proven that it WAS willing.

I thought it was obvious town saw me replying to your information that what I said originally was based on the assumption that you were at work. That is why it was necessary not to include information that was explicitly said. I never used that omitted information, I used how you originally reacted to me against you because like I said there was no problem in the first place. Just a terms of misunderstanding really just caused that whole interaction

why are you so fixated on me?

I am getting a specific

vibe

from them but I am not sure exactly where I lie with it. They're not addressing the original questions, sure. But I have a feeling that this post is genuine.

I hate vibe reads. I guess you did give a real read but just to let you know, I really despise vibe reads. I don't know; the nature of them just feel so unnecessary to the actual content and game solving of the actual game. So the from your point of view, I think this is where you start picking up on Andante here and this is how I saw you feel towards Andante. I think you are the least likely to make the sheep here knowing your playstyle (more info down below). Mafia just wouldn't be that obvious in my opinion.

lurking isn't a really good sign

Okay, I am starting to think our definitions are different.

Lurking -> reading the thread but choosing not to post in it for [X] reason. (which I should also clarify isn't AI by itself if someone does lurk).

This was based on the reality that lurking meant actual scum type of coasting. You read the post, not choose to post because you don't want the attention sitatuid on yourself or any other scum tells that happen with coasting/lurking. Pretty much this quote in general meant we both disagreed on something but moved on after... a contentious that felt genuine.

I would be big sad if skitter was scum.

Good thing she is town this game :3

bad quote smh

im still so paranoid about this, can anyone tell me if this sounds scum?

If nobody has said this yet, I do think that sounds scummy. I also think they look bad in the following interaction.

Spoiler:

ok who do you want to elim today?

The mafia.

yea me too

Good plan everyone, glad we're still on the same page

~
Pooky i think u can be aligned with andante fwiw

I am aligned with the town :3

I think we both had the same initiative thought about this interaction. We are both stepping back and realizing the difference it makes without tunneling each other. This is why I was starting to town lean more here due to you having the same thought as me because you are thinking and looking like a townsmember.

Replying to Andante's wallpost in 487. My responses in

Bolded Red

Spoiler:

sorry this is so long...

JacksonVirgo: 43 ISO posts, LOTS of quotes and responding to quotes.

Is this a problem? You're making it out that it is

2 people vote Grandpa, and Jackson goes “I’m swinging this way as well at this point” - #162 with no interactions directed at Grandpa before that, then in #162 Jackson votes Grandpa after yelling that they were gonna sleep/go to work?? I do believe Jackson was genuinely mad, but like, it’s weird. #167 Jackson says “I am saying your perspective is not one that aligns with what I would consider a town mindset.” But all Jackson has really SAID about/to grandpa was explained the setup, and got mad at GM cause Jackson said they were gonna go to bed/work, yet assumes they have to stick around and talk to GM??
You are aware you can just walk away and resume whenever right??

Depending on how busy my life is at the time, I sometimes can't get super into a game until later which leads to me reading but not posting, which happened until Grandpa heavy-duty caught my radar. You're also taking my words out of context here. Grandpa was omitting information that was making me look bad, of which I wasn't going to accept so of course I attacked back. I explained many times about the mindset thing so why are you choosing to ignore that. I do not like leaving stones unturned when I play, get used to my playstyle or yeet me.

~~ I see why yall wanted me to react to this exchange earlier lmao ~~
Just reading this, Jackson feels mad/annoyed at GM for the questions. GM asked for a reason for a read, and in #168 you go “I’ve given one, rather blatantly if I do say so myself” then in #169 JV scumreads GM for saying lmao.
Like, I could see this as town conf biased Grandpa is scum, but it really feels like JV has just decided to tunnel GM.
In #179, I find this really interesting, JV calls GM manipulative, then talks about GM sheeping another’s read without adding to it, then picking info to make JV look bad. I haven’t ISOd GM yet, but this reaction to GM wondering the reason JV SRs them? The #179 paragraph is just a very generic thing, it’s not even like “you said this here, and changed the context here” Town or Maf, Jackson feels like they aren’t even going to consider a Grandpa town world, which makes me lean JV scum, but I’ll keep reading.
#180 Jackson still seems mad about being “expected to be there when they previously said they wouldn’t be” like, this type of anger isn’t alignment indicative, but I do kinda SR the fact JV has so many posts about it, when you could literally just walk away any moment and return later, and no one will care.

I was very frustrated with having to deal with what Grandpa was doing, yes. Your response to my 169 is weak and seems overly shady, tbh it's not even a response it's just reiterating what was done with no input of your own. Repeating again, me deadass tunneling a player without looking elsewhere is a bad habit of mine, even if I am right I am trying not to do so. Again, you're attacking something that's just my
playstyle, so stop.

#183 JV explains a town vs scum mindset, and I’ll add, a town mindset would be trying to find maf/acknowledging your read might not be right, cause JV has just been tunneling Grandpa, granted GM is probably the only one speaking right now, but posts like this kinda just reaffirm that your only goal is to tunnel GM, I kinda agree with GM’s #181 JV hasn’t explained the GM specific things, just keeps talking in general terms.
#186 JV is still yelling about being in the forum longer than they wanted?
Again, you are more than welcome to walk away whenever, we have 7 IRL days for d2/3/4
JV asking GM about maf experience… as if that will change anything about this little situation… I’m trying to not make a super long post here lol I know yall aren’t gonna want to read this
#227 FINALLY a post not to GM, JV responds to Fizz about spamming the thread, which in my opinion is a really weird post to respond to lol especially going “I don’t think this is AI” like, I think in that content, it definitely pointed more to JV scum GM town, like, also based on what I remember people saying, others agreed with that, and I really see it.
#229 “I have a surface level TR on skitz because their entrance” this comment feels really out there. Just had this huge exchange with GM about how you need reasons.. also in #160 basically told me reading entrances was bad, but if JV does it, it’s ok!!

Acknowledging a read may/may not be right is a personality thing and/or confidence thing so I disagree with you. 186 you're completely misrepresenting/misunderstanding there. I am proving that I was not just bullshitting my way out of posting like Grandpa was making out I was doing. And I am ALLOWED to ask people for experience, I was trying to fucking gauge them. Now I'm lowkey getting mad. I do not care if any of my posts are "out there", I've explained what I did and I am not going to again.

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#298 makes a point to go back to skitter about the entrance? This exchange with the 2 feels really weird. I was a tad sus of skit before, and this makes it feel like “I need to force an interaction with my partner” it’s so significant, I’ll actually quote it below.

I have a surface level TR on skitz mainly because their entrance felt ballsy in a sense scum wouldn't try. Also the fact they don't have an issue with switching reads, scum tend to stick to it as to not feel opportunistic.

Oh? How was it ballsy?

It just seems overly, hype/exciting in a way that seems too risky for scum to do as it may appear as pockety.

*****
#412 is another post just speaking in general, and not really directed at anyone “scum would do this…”
#413 – JV knows I’m town likely from TMI but I’ll take a tr right now
#423- I mean, if you ISO Glory, Glory’s lines are fine, definitely not bad.

You're making associative reads before any flips happen, which is generally bad practice as you're >rand wrong when you do that. Just stick to singular reads and go from flips, trust me on that one. I hate the fact you're shading me for 413 which is legitimately LAMIST, and I no longer town-lean you. It's actually quite funny how big your contradiction here is though, you said a town mindset is knowing your reads may not be right, but here you are fairly certain on me/skitter being scum (more specifically me here) and yeah, according to your very own logic you are scum. Congrats fam

Knowing your playstyle this game so far, I feel as though this wallpost on you gave like more of a bias standing against Andante. You feel weird about Andante. Andante scumreads you > then you scumread them stronger. Do you understand what I am trying to say? You may disagree but from my perspective that is how it looks like. You have to also really consider... does scum iso you like that? and really try to give their best in coordinating associate reads? Just seems really eh enough of a towny reaction of responses just like I am doing now to really see it from a perspective.

Also Wheme looks pretty decent at this current moment imo. 552 I like a lot and it's something I would have said if they didn't

I hope that isn't your finalized read on wheme...

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1a. Conclusion

Okay so basically this will be a TLDR of what I have said throughout this sort analysis. These are what I usually had written down next to me just for reference. So from post 162, The first misunderstanding happen; the initial push from JacksonVirgo. From post 167, the second misunderstanding happens; I assume not a real assumption. Around post 169, you use small embellishments that make me more angry and tunnel you further making assumptions that you were getting to me for everything. By post 173, this is where I officially think that you were getting to me by everything. From Post 183 to some posts later, you now fully explain the whole mindset concept in greater length and detail and I now understand the initial scum push on me. Around post 197, I started associating hypocrisy to everything you did trying to scum push me further. Towards later posts you start having the same thoughts as me. You lessen and twiddle down the energy. We BOTH do that. And realize something a conceptual / intuitive thought we may have head that if we both try to actually and try to look for scum instead of tunneling we can get the game going on. It was no point of arguing no more since we couldn't get the point across to each other. We both tried and failed essentially as we both probably still disagree with each other on the majority of reads. Right now, you have stayed in a very neutral position where you are playing so like aggressive but you havent been making really big scumtells. I will try not to be paranoid and actually seek what your actually alignment later on.

INCOMPLETE

Yeah alright, what I've seen so far makes me think that I've been blind-tunneling. I'm gonna probably push for a pooky elim today

[JacksonVirgo]

Jv i think gm, quite honestly does not go to this length to answer u as scum

Yeah I am getting the same impression as well

[JacksonVirgo]

Jv i think gm, quite honestly does not go to this length to answer u as scum

Pooky were you thinking u might die before p32 or

On mobile cant respond to that large boi but Ill get there.

Thoughts on my reasonings to vote off Andante

I apologize, i'm a little scatterbrained this week, would you mind requoting?

This is pending, and if Grandpa disappoints I will flip back there but for now I think this is the way to go honestly

VOTE: Pooky

I severely doubt newb!scum would out a pr soft instead of keeping it in the scum PT, be this self-destructive and not even claim at all when at E-1 as well as be wagoned this bad with no resistance. Also saying that Grandpa did make that a valid point and I am ready to give some weight onto Skitter's read and hopefully if their ISO dive post is good enough I am willing to stay here and see if I am in a false-tunnel.

I read it over again and they didn't have "no" resistance, they just had very little.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh sorry for that broken spoiler tag

[skitter30]

This is pending, and if Grandpa disappoints I will flip back there but for now I think this is the way to go honestly

VOTE: Pooky

I severely doubt newb!scum would out a pr soft instead of keeping it in the scum PT, be this self-destructive and not even claim at all when at E-1 as well as be wagoned this bad with no resistance. Also saying that Grandpa did make that a valid point and I am ready to give some weight onto Skitter's read and hopefully if their ISO dive post is good enough I am willing to stay here and see if I am in a false-tunnel.

Ah sorry, i saw this but i thought you were refering to reasons you gave *to* vote him off and was confused what you were talking abt

Ok these things:
1 i think u have a point r.e. not outing a pr soft, so fair enjf
2. I dont think the not-claiming bit is particularly ai and i can see it coming from scum who dont want to commit to claiming a pr but want to maintain the *possibility* of being one to scare people off so to speak
3. I dont understand thd grandpamo point, sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

2. I dont think the not-claiming bit is particularly ai and i can see it coming from scum who dont want to commit to claiming a pr but want to maintain the *possibility* of being one to scare people off so to speak

The way they did so was that they were mad at the town in a way that's self-destructive instead of self-preservative.

[skitter30]

Like ig i just disagree with u there in that i'm seeing it more as self-destructive than self-preventative

[Fizz Raab]

so do u townread andante?

Maybe I haven't read the entire game as a whole, but why do you think Andante is scum? Only asking a question as I may have missed a post or two somewhere. Damn with these new players on board getting replaced with inactivity. This first day keeps getting longer. I wonder why unless again I miss a post on star handler voting for andante without a reason to do so. Seems like I got a lot to catch up on.

[GrandpaMo]

so do u townread andante?

Maybe I haven't read the entire game as a whole, but why do you think Andante is scum? Only asking a question as I may have missed a post or two somewhere. Damn with these new players on board getting replaced with inactivity. This first day keeps getting longer. I wonder why unless again I miss a post on star handler voting for andante without a reason to do so. Seems like I got a lot to catch up on.

you always keep talking about you trying to catch up and stuff. please do. if you are willing to contribute as town please, i wanna hear from your reads. because first) i dont even scumread andante as I townread them. both skitter and ahri had hard scumread andante and now wheme all of a sudden. and pooky and jv i think scumlean towards andnate. please catch up, because idek why you were collectively townread in the beginning in the first place

[Andante]

so do u townread andante?

Maybe I haven't read the entire game as a whole, but why do you think Andante is scum? Only asking a question as I may have missed a post or two somewhere. Damn with these new players on board getting replaced with inactivity. This first day keeps getting longer. I wonder why unless again I miss a post on star handler voting for andante without a reason to do so. Seems like I got a lot to catch up on.

There's genuinely like no legit reason for a vote on me lol

[skitter30]

Again disingenuous ^

I'm also starting to question fizz's 'oh no i cant read and cant make reads' thing

how ya doin mod: i shall be vla until monday again, with limited internet access for part of much of that time

This should be the last of it, apologies

[Irish dancer]

Hi all. There sure is alot of reading

[Andante]

Hi all. There sure is alot of reading

you're likely gonna be better off skimming ISOs than rereading the whole thing tbh

[GrandpaMo]

Again disingenuous ^

I'm also starting to question fizz's 'oh no i cant read and cant make reads' thing

how ya doin mod: i shall be vla until monday again, with limited internet access for part of much of that time

This should be the last of it, apologies

smh when did u start sheeping me

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi all. There sure is alot of reading

you're likely gonna be better off skimming ISOs than rereading the whole thing tbh

Don't actually do this, you'll miss all the context

[Cabd]

Sending out Prods and such now.

[Cabd]

Votecount 1-21

With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to eliminate.

Andante (3): skitter30, Ahri, WHemeStar
Irish Dancer (1): Irish Dancer
Whemestar (2): PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante
PookyTheMagicalBear (2): GrandpaMo, JacksonVirgo


Not Voting (1): Fizz Raab

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2021-04-04 10:14:14)

Ahri was prodded.

[Andante]

Hi all. There sure is alot of reading

you're likely gonna be better off skimming ISOs than rereading the whole thing tbh

Don't actually do this, you'll miss all the context

I mean, you quoted 99% of what you responded to, and Irish looks brand new to this, so I'm pretty sure 1000 posts is overwhelming

[Andante]

And like seriously, can we adress how Ahri literally only shows up every 48 hours, says 1 line about how I'm scum, then disapears... like, I'm getting tired of none of yall saying anything about her, yet going after me cause I'm fine with voting her... why should she stay? what makes her town??

[Andante]

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