In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
Let me share with ya'll the "weird plan" BM is trying to discredit and why I think he outed himself.
First off, after deliberation, we went ultimately, Battle Mage's choices for night actions. Tracking yessiree, protecting Battle Mage. Not my favorite course of action (as you'll see why in a second).
I wanted to protect no one, precisely to prevent what has happened to open Day 2 (WIFOM over the no-kill).
I'm not sure if it's really WIFOM? It's uncertainty between 2 scenarios - scum no killing or scum killing me. Had we not outted the no-kill rationale instantly, we could have sorted between players who theoretically might have no-killed (presumably the majority?) and those who wouldn't. Don't get me wrong, last night wasn't hugely informative, and I'm not selling it as such. But it was clearly better than your plan which was to just not use the abilities at all and guarantee no information.
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
I wanted to protect no one and track one of myself/Raya/BM. Why did I want this course of action? Because if someone got killed, it cleared whomever we tracked. If no one got killed, then it basically confirms one of us as scum (which from my perspective as town is an auto-win on Day 2 or 3).
I'm being kind with "weird plan" out of courtesy, but I'm genuinely baffled that you're still pitching this as a good idea after both Raya and I explained last night why it wasn't. Firstly because, as Enchant noted in the first post of the day, no-kill was a reasonable play for scum, especially if they were off-council and didn't want to risk being tracked to the kill (i.e. a no-kill doesn't prove anything about the alignment of council members). Secondly, tracking within those on the council is pointless because if one of us was scum, we would 100% just no-kill knowing we were tracked. Thirdly, not using the protection would be a complete waste, given there are highly likely town who would be obvious NK targets.
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
Now of course, there are risks to that plan. One of you all could decide to no-kill. I felt that was highly unlikely given the information we had (namely 1 scum vs 7 townies, no-killing does nothing for your win condition). But there are risks with every plan.
if any of us was scum and agreed as the track-target, we would know we were going to be tracked and not-kill, obviously. anything else would be game-throwing.
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
Anyway from my perspective, BM was against a plan that could have potentially either cleared myself or Raya, or confirmed that one of the three of us was scum to the rest of you. To be fair this plan wasn't Raya's preference either, so I won't speak for her whether she would have been okay with this idea.
Your idea wouldn't have proved anything either way, and Raya agreed, which is why we decided collectively (i.e. this wasn't a BM-decision) to actually use our abilities.
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
The fact that BM is trying to discredit me based on conversations that none of you can see is ridiculous. That's not something town would do.
I refer you to Jigsaw's Revenge (large theme game), where I was in a neighbourhood and tunnelled all my fellow neighbours to death. It was a trainwreck, but the principle remains of not trusting people blindly because you're in a non-AI PT with them. Also, it isn't just me who can attest to what was said - Raya was there too. And you have like, admitted what I was said was true, so what's the issue?
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
BM is also trying to explain away the kill by saying he got targeted (another reason I wanted to protect no one so no one could claim this).
On the contrary, I'm not. I've been clear that I think no-kill is a reasonable possibility, although the reason for using the protection on me last night was also because there was a reasonable chance I would be killed. I was actually the first person to flag the prospect of scum no-killing in the PT.
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
The Doctor ability in this set-up is a red herring, since three people know the outcome of that action each night.
And yet you don't realise that also applies in the same vein to the tracker ability?
In post 602, T-Bone wrote:
I feel like BM's shade of my plan, calling it weird and saying it would provide no information, comes from BM understanding that his plan would provide no information (and was designed as such to provide no info). I feel like his goal is to make you think scum tried to kill him so he can earn a soft clear for a few days. That is what I get from his posts, especially the one I quoted.
As noted above, I was the first person to emphasise the prospect of scum no-killing being a likely outcome - it was you who has argued that it is unlikely - so it doesn't make sense that I'd be using the fact I got protected as a means to towncred. Additionally, why would hypothetical BM-scum need a soft clear for a few days? I'm not likely to be elimmed in the near future given we need to work through the off-wagon pool. I'm not following your logic here at all - not only is it wrong, but it also doesn't make much sense and feels like a real long shot from your perspective. Which in turn, doesn't look great because, in a T-Bone-scum world, you need to chase eliminations from the people on the A50 elim.
Notwithstanding any of the above, I don't know why you're acting so defensive now about an idea which you relented on so easily last night (presumably recognising that it wasn't the most robust)? If you're town, this game should be an easy win, and surely you realised that being in the council (thanks to A50) wouldn't clear you from suspicion.
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